Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
still better than the lakers....
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2013 NBA Playoffs |OT2| Rose has no Muscle Memories, Durant having Russell Memories
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still better than the lakers....
Adam Blade
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F da Blunder.
Psychological Intellect
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doesn't melo have the highest Usage rating in the league?
Listen, melo is the best player in new york. He has to act like one. He takes the most shots and uses up most of new york's possessions. If he wants to reach lebron, kobe and even durant tier...he has to expand his game. Look at durant in okc, their system has the pg as the primary ball handler, but look at what durant is doing. He didn't come into this league as a great passer but his doing everything to help his team win. Melo has the potential ....He can operate out of the post, out of the pick and roll, drive and kick....the tools are there but unless his willing to take the next step, melo will always be known as a proverbial loser.
CreepingFear
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Knicks win by 30 tonight only to lose game six in Indiana. That's my gut feeling.
MorisUkunRasik
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Wait... people think melo will add to his game at this point? There is no next step.
Already own them and chocolate milk is delicious you fool.
Already own them and chocolate milk is delicious you fool.
Then his stuck in loser territory.
The best players always have a next step. Jordan, kobe and now lebron.
MorisUkunRasik
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We all know he's a Knick, no need to rub it in.
Which melo isn't. What's this issue here?
captmcblack
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Why does Melo have to expand his game? Dirk didn't.
But if he needs to/wants to, why would age be the reason? MJ's post game was a later refinement in his game. Amare added a low-post game this year at 30/31.
He hasn't. From all accounts he is easy to get along with AND not a locker room cancer. Plus LaLa tastes like Cheerios.
LOL yeah those teams were stacked. How can anyone not win that lineup?
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
thats too much logic for these haters bruh....
they rather talk out there ass cause they've had to bite their tongues for so long
He has the potential to be one......Maybe he should get people around him that tell him that.
Dirk can't pass off double team when he green, Why do you think team can't stop him 2 year ago when he camping in elbow goes iso? Melo still can't do that :lol
MorisUkunRasik
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I didn't say he needed to, he needs a better team and maybe to be the second option but sooner rather than later. If Melo had a 2011 Dirk playoff run his bad teammates would probably let him down anyway.
MJ's progression was/is not normal and Amare's post game sucks. There's really no reason to give Melo the benefit of the doubt regarding evolving as he ages.
Herpes Reasons
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why am i seeing a black man in a clown outfit?
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
or maybe just like Durant he needs a reliable second option.....
CreepingFear
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So he should call a timeout and allow for the Heat to plan out defense? Bulls would have trouble inbounding the ball. They had 3 good looks at the end. I suppose you're one of the dumbasses who is also criticizing him for not playing the corpse of Rip Hamilton earlier in the series? Rip Hamilton is done.
Going to go see Star Trek:Into Darkness now. I look forward to reading your fake wresting absurdity later.
MorisUkunRasik
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Melo is more YN than Durant, and YN couldn't get it done with Harden & KD. Melo is what he is and would need a pretty stacked roster to get by Miami.
Maybe Melo has the eventual capability to be able to run a team's offense and be successful. To not need another PG around him to pull it off. But I doubt it, and he hasn't done it.
Wade, Kobe, Lebron, MJ all ran their teams for years without another actual PG. Durant seems like he could grow into that kind of role too.
Besides that Melo plays no defense, and usually when he loses a playoff series, he shoots horribly too.
We're not blaming Melo because he's not playing like Lebron. We're blaming Melo because he's playing like JR
Wade, Kobe, Lebron, MJ all ran their teams for years without another actual PG. Durant seems like he could grow into that kind of role too.
Besides that Melo plays no defense, and usually when he loses a playoff series, he shoots horribly too.
We're not blaming Melo because he's not playing like Lebron. We're blaming Melo because he's playing like JR
Are you being serious here? I get not calling it after the first shot, but when you see your team is clearly confounded out there, call one.
I mean, they had two timeouts left. They would have been able to design a play, read the defense, and inbound the ball with two timeouts left.
Wait a minute, how are we even arguing this? This is fucking basic basketball logic! Holy shit. Thibs plan for the end of the season and winning the game was literally just "run down and chuck the ball?" How is that defensible?
There's too much grilling in the NBA going on. Dude is one of the best coaches in the league, he ridiculously over-achieved.
a couple years ago Presti was the God for the team he built. Everyone knew they couldn't afford everyone, now he's a schmuck.
Kinda tired of seeing people in the league get harped on for their select mistakes when they usually do a great job.
That being said, you're right. he should have called timeouts and drew up plays, there's no other call there but that.
Thibs is a great coach, but he's not above criticism. He has glaring weaknesses that he needs to learn from. I'm not saying he should be thrown into the street, but he should be called out for this.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Dirk was also way better than Melo has been. Dirk has lead his teams to far more victories and wins in the playoffs with less help because he's a much better shooter and decision maker and was far less injury-prone in his prime than Melo is. Dirk's TS% in the postseason is 7 points higher than Melo's, his ORtg is 13 points higher and those are huge differences.
If Melo didn't learn how to play team ball under Karl and Pringles, he probably won't learn from anyone other than maybe Phil or Sloan and they'll never coach him probably.
YESSSS
Syphon Filter
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Melo does play defense.
captmcblack
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That's just it, though - EVERYONE would need a pretty stacked roster to get by Miami and its super-stacked roster that features the best player on the planet. Why is that specifically a knock on Melo?
That "Wade, Kobe, Lebron, MJ" bit is ridiculous too. Not only did Wade actually play as PG on the team that he won his 2006* championship with, he had SHAQ with him. Kobe also had prime Shaq, and when he didn't have Shaq he had Odom/Gasol/Bynum and friends. LBJ is clearly the best player today (on a team that's featured prime Wade and prime Bosh on it since 2010/2011), and MJ is clearly the greatest player to ever exist (and he won with teams featuring Pippen, Rodman and so on).
As for Dirk and his greatness relative to Melo, again - that's another all-time great player. And for all the basketball sabermetrics you guys want to throw out, nobody gave a crap about those things because he kept not winning. He went farther in the playoffs? Great. He also generally had better/more consistent secondary and roleplayers riding with him when he did. New points, please.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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lol, Dirk's secondary options on offense have been Josh Howard and Jason Terry. He's had Dampier and Diop at center.
captmcblack
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Prime Josh Howard and prime Jason Terry were better players and more consistent scorers than JR Smith or Arron Affalo have been to date. And Steve Nash played with him for the first 4 of those years as his second option.
And again, the flaws of those players (on top of Dirk's own flaws) are exactly why Dirk didn't win, and why they gave him crap just like Melo until he did.
The knicks won 5 games in the playoffs this year.
And are 2-5 since starting 3-0. BJ, GE.
Future PhaZe
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Dirk is a top 20 player all time for delaying LeBrons reign in my eyes.
If the Grizz do it, Gasol and Randolph become instant top 50 players.
If the Grizz do it, Gasol and Randolph become instant top 50 players.
Prime Josh Howard and Jason Terry lol
Durant's "shit series" versus Memphis would be a Top 2 playoff series for Melo.
Melo versus Bostons? 29.2PPG, 26.7FGA, 38.1FG% (!!!!), 5.3RPG, 1.8APG with 2.7TOV, in 41.3MPG
And that's the series the Knicks won. The Knicks won despite of Melo, not because of him.
In other words, fuck Melo and Da Knicks.
Melo versus Bostons? 29.2PPG, 26.7FGA, 38.1FG% (!!!!), 5.3RPG, 1.8APG with 2.7TOV, in 41.3MPG
And that's the series the Knicks won. The Knicks won despite of Melo, not because of him.
In other words, fuck Melo and Da Knicks.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Dirk was two games from winning a title with those guys and won 67 games with those guys and his teammates weren't that good even at their best.
The only playoff series Melo has ever won where the opposing team wasn't destroyed by injuries was the Mavs in 2009 and they started Antoine Wright.
Regardless, the point is that to win with a style like Kobe or Dirk or Melo have of pure shooting based on jumpers, you have to be historically great like Dirk or Kobe. Melo is not historically great and therefore won't win or play well in the playoffs with his nonimpactful defense and bad decision making.
Syphon Filter
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Naw, they don't win vs Boston if melo doesn't play in that series.
You replace Melo with Monta Ellis, and the Knicks still win that series.
MorisUkunRasik
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essentially this.
You can't be mad at fair criticisms. Even Bron got shit on in here for years.
Red Blaster
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lulz dirk is one of the best midrange shooters ever, a long 2 is a good shot for him. melo doesn't compare.
Dirk at 28
Melo at 28
/nods
Carmelo is literally worse at even converting layups than Dirk by 8%.
Syphon Filter
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Not at all, not a good comparison either by far.
Red Blaster
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why isn't it a good comparison syphon?
MorisUkunRasik
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Dirk at 28
Melo at 28
/nods
Carmelo is literally worse at even converting layups than Dirk by 8%.
He just needs a better coach and team doe. Plus an Aliens style Mechsuit to play defense in.
I can see him already side-eyeing Lebron as Bron darts toward the rim, "Get away from her you bitch!"
captmcblack
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You have to be historically great OR have a well-balanced team that can step up and help out. The Mavs made sure to cover that base for Dirk. The Lakers always do their best to be stacked anyway. The Celtics did it for Paul Pierce. The Knicks FO doesn't do that for its players. It didn't do it for Ewing, Jackson, or King, and it hasn't done so for Melo.
Carmelo Anthony isn't historically great...and that doesn't matter, because he is definitely great relative to the current NBA. He is a top-10 player in the current NBA, no matter what kind of nebulous Knick-hating arguments GAF would like to make. It's understood that he is "just" a scorer. It's understood he isn't the best player, or the best playmaker, or the best defender. It's understood that he takes a lot of shots, and it's understood that he does so because he's usually the best player on the squads he plays with. We know he's not Lebron, Kobe, MJ, or whoever you'd like. But he's a great player in the current NBA, a superstar player in the current NBA since 2003, and if he could be surrounded with the right parts, he could be a winner in the current NBA.
You guys want to talk like he's Olden Polynice or Vin Baker or something.
Future PhaZe
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man
I want to watch that Dallas/Heat series again.
Every Dirk made jumpshot was orgasmic.
I want to watch that Dallas/Heat series again.
Every Dirk made jumpshot was orgasmic.
that game 2 comeback... so good
also that Brandon Roy comeback game from the Blazers series, the 4 point shot. Man that was a great playoffs
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