LyleLanley
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There's nothing wrong with that answer.
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2015 NBA Finals |OT| the deli is closed
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There's nothing wrong with that answer.
Would love to see him completely shut down in gm6 then see what he has to say.
Did kobe or mj ever call themselves the greatest like that?
Can and will are two very different things. I suspect Cavs will win Game 6 but GSW will close this out in Game 7.
SomewhatGroovy
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Entirely irrelevant. His team losing would not revise statistics proving his claim. You're taking what he said at face value and not in context to the answer gave in response to the question that was asked.
Dude is secure in his ability that he does not need concern himself with the outcome of his efforts. He has repeated this in almost every post conference this series. He knows he is exerting more effort and more individual results than he ever has and that is what is ultimately in his control. If the dude is going to lose the series, he will do so knowing he did the very best he could. Simple. That's what this is about.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Every time Lebron says shit like that it sounds to me like he's trying to convince himself more than anyone else lol. I mean why even say it if you really think you're the best. He always comes across as a dude trying too hard to be a badass.
Badly. Just like game 6 against Memphis I expect one sided calls. But also like game 6 I expect Kerr to have them prepared and for the Warriors to overcome it.
SomewhatGroovy
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It wasn't unsolicited. He was asked a question.
It is freaking weird that some of you were raised to think that holding yourself up on a pedestal is a bad thing. Wow. There is nothing inherently wrong with saying you're the best at something when you know you are.
I only brought those 2 up because of lebrons statement.
No doubt hes the greatest player playing and has performed at a ridiculous level.
Now really, who actually talks like that at a press conference ?
JackBauer24
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Does he realize that it's a "team" sport? If you chuck up 35 shots and only make 15, you could be costing your team points and wins. LeBron is playing mad.
I would give Lebron crap for shooting so much but this team isnt good offensively.
Whatever happened to lebron making his team better
They're playing in the fucking Finals, for one?
I don't know why anyone would switch from a Warriors in 6 or 7 prediction. Curry was extremely off and Cleveland was only barely winning their games.
My god why are you all so fucking dense? Lol.
Come on man. This shit team is astronomically better because of Lebron. Do you see how they play without him on the floor? Zero offense and defense.
Curry can at least sit back and rest and not have to worry about his team completely shitting the bed while he's out.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
I bet Lebron wishes he never got Jones, Marion and Mike Miller to sign with the cavs. He could've used some live bodies right now.
How about "I'm looking forward to heading back to our home court and evening the series" or something about the team.
You are right, ask about confidence after a loss and state you are best in world it's simple truly is a good answer if you think players should be cocky and all about themselves. This is one reason why LeBron doesn't get as much respect as he should compared to other NBA greats and other sport star athletes. He's awesome, but that doesn't mean as many people like him as you would expect for his playing greatness.
The LeBron second guessing has long been played out. Don't even interact with people who continually question his impact in this series. They're either disingenuous, or out of their depth in the conversation.
Same goes for people who dick ride too aggressively. It's kind of hilarious how much hyperbole can be generated for a player who is unquestionably the best player in the league.
Same goes for people who dick ride too aggressively. It's kind of hilarious how much hyperbole can be generated for a player who is unquestionably the best player in the league.
diffusionx
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Why the hell would LeBron even want the MVP of a losing team. "I'm the most valuable player on a loser." I don't know why people are even talking about it.
I remember when Dirk won MVP on that great Mavs team. They handed him the trophy after they lost to a #8 seed in the first round. He looked embarrassed to take it, like he was gonna throw it in the trash as soon as he got home.
I remember when Dirk won MVP on that great Mavs team. They handed him the trophy after they lost to a #8 seed in the first round. He looked embarrassed to take it, like he was gonna throw it in the trash as soon as he got home.
You ever have that guy that was good on your team, and everyone knows it, but when in the spotlight is a c**k and full of himself? Work, sports, anything, well it gets old. It's not second guessing, he just keeps them from ever guessing again cause his attitude never changed.
rokkerkory
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Why would anyone be an MVP on a losing team? Doesn't make sense.
If you da MVP, then your team has to win it all.
If you da MVP, then your team has to win it all.
Pretty much.
JackBauer24
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If this series went 7 games and if Curry and Igu basically split on Gooden State, I could see LeBron getting the MVP. He's their only option and is keeping them in this.
rokkerkory
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Sure if the Cavs win the championship only
I think LBJ would take the MVP trophy and give it to the city. At least they'llthey'll have something.
Yeah, I used to wonder why Eff bothered, but it's hard not to point out the "lolwut?" post.
Yeah, I used to wonder why Eff bothered, but it's hard not to point out the "lolwut?" post.
CherryWoodFuton
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I don't have a problem with Lebron's answer because it's true
Some of you guys need to get off the internet
Some of you guys need to get off the internet
DoktorEvil
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GTFO with this. Lebron elevates this crappy Cavs team.
Also, those of you that say LBJ is too cocky hasn't watched Jordan or Magic or Isiah in post game interviews.
Ninja Scooter
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Nah LeBron has a legit shot at MVP even if the Cavs lose. Hell even if the Cavs lose in 6.
Exactly. People are trying way too hard here to grasp at the straws of an interviewer who was obviously trying to bait him into some kind of response.
Did you even hear the question?
Jag
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He knew what he was getting. Lebron needs to stop playing GM.
Jack Remington
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Not sure LeBron has even been better than Curry in the series after Game 5.
LeBron is putting up volume scoring and system assists. He hasn't been making particularly outstanding passes, and his assists aren't magically pulling points out of hopeless-looking possessions like what Nash would do. He's just holding the ball so much that he puts up volume assists over the course of the game.
LeBron is putting up volume scoring and system assists. He hasn't been making particularly outstanding passes, and his assists aren't magically pulling points out of hopeless-looking possessions like what Nash would do. He's just holding the ball so much that he puts up volume assists over the course of the game.
Gully State
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B/c there's been precedent.
It's happened before. That's not insane. MVP is Most Valuable Player. Not most valuable player only if your team wins. Winning just increases your chance of winning it greatly.
Ninja Scooter
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It's happened before, 40 years ago. To me the conditions have to be 3 things. 1) It has to be a fairly close fought series. 2) the guy on the losing team has to be putting up astronomical numbers. 3) nobody from the winning team is stepping up in a similar fashion. I mean the Warriors best player, Steph Curry, has played poorly (for his standards) in 3 of the 5 games so far. Is that MVP-worthy?
This.
They need to somehow normalize his stats by usage rate. The fact is that the warriors are going without any rim protection and aren't double teaming him lets him have big stats. Hell, Curry gets doubled far more frequently than LeBron.
LOL what? Am I living in an alternate universe where James was the one being questioned of being shut down by an undrafted 3rd stringer this series?
Curry has bounced back but he hasnt even been the best player on his team this series.
Also wtf at system assists. Lebron is ISOing more than most any player in finals history. Which is saying something. Cavs don't even run an offense FFS. Do people just throw shit at the wall to see what sticks?
They started double teaming in game 4. And did constantly in game 5. His usage rate took almost a 10 percentage point dive after. What are you on about?
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diffusionx
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Do you seriously think Igoudala hasn't stepped up?
piratethingy
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There's an Internet forum argument to be made for Lebron for MVP, sure. I can buy it because I'm a big Lebron fan but even I feel it's about 50 50 with him and Curry right now.
But if you think there's a chance the league is going to deny a rising superstar a Finals MVP at the end of a season like the one he's had because of one bad shooting night...
Idk. Don't see it as any sort of realistic possibility. Obviously excluding a Cavs series win.
But if you think there's a chance the league is going to deny a rising superstar a Finals MVP at the end of a season like the one he's had because of one bad shooting night...
Idk. Don't see it as any sort of realistic possibility. Obviously excluding a Cavs series win.
Ninja Scooter
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He's had great spurts and moments when the Dubs needed it but has he been consistently the best player in the series? Even close?
The award is voted on by the media. And if anything having LeBron win MVP while his team goes down in flames gives the media more of a story to keep talking about all summer. It's a great narrative for the likes of Skip Bayless and SAS, ect...
The Finals MVP, like the regular season MVP, is very narrative driven for this reason. I could absolutely see if LeBron has another 40 point/Triple Double type game in games 6 or 7 (if it goes that far) them giving him the award, short of Steph Curry having himself a couple of 40 point games. It's very much in them (the media) to do something like that for the story.
DoktorEvil
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Iggy isn't a rising star tho.
If the Finals MVP must go to the winner, it'll go to him deservedly.
Curry has been a scoring machine, but it's Iggy's defensive stops and key plays that has helped the Warriors win those 3 games and help keep those 2 losses close.
piratethingy
Self professed bad raider
Also XFD @ Lebron's "system assists".
What? Are you watching this series? I mean that is the exact opposite of what's happening.
What? Are you watching this series? I mean that is the exact opposite of what's happening.
Uno Venova
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People expect the NBA to re-establish the precedent that was made when the very first Finals MVP was given out.
40 years ago.
In other words its not happening, if Curry has another game like last night he will get it, if not, then Iggy.
diffusionx
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But MVP isn't the best player. It's the most valuable. I seriously question the idea that the most valuable player on a losing team is something that matters. If the Cavs lose, somebody will ask James how he feels about putting up those numbers in a losing effort, and he will say it doesn't matter because they lost.
If the Warriors win game 6 and Curry puts up numbers like he did yesterday (which nobody is talking about, even though he scored 37 on 23 shots), he will win the MVP.
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