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2015 NHL Playoffs |OT2| Ovi guaranteed a good thread title
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Lone_Prodigy
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Not to start a debate here, 'cause that's not what I'm trying to do, but I think it's important to realize that Kane is as effective an offensive player as he is because he's surrounded by guys like Toews and Hossa who can handle the tough assignments (and thrive against them).
For example, see below (data for all CHI forwards this season+playoffs):
(edit: I changed the size variable to Pts/60 to convey the offensive production of these players. Yes, Kane is very productive as you'd expect. So is Toews.)
Kane gets among the most offensive zone starts on the team, and faces medium competition -- on average! That's despite the fact that most opposing teams try to send their best players against him to limit his effectiveness. So really there's a see-saw effect where Quenneville attempts to use Kane in high leverage situations, whereas opposing coaches try to counteract that.
Kane is a phenomenal talent but Chicago has great team success because they work like a well-oiled machine, letting all of their players thrive under optimal situations. Unlike a lot of other teams, they're deep enough to have players for pretty much all situations.
TL;DR: Kane and Toews are both really good at what they do
Yeah but how good is Kane on a cold rainy night in Stoke?
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
dstrdl pls
Then you should. We'll even be nice and let him go cheap!
Does anyone have some juicy quotes from the last thread they could post or link to here regarding Rozsival's injury? I was without Internet for the weekend when it happened, and I would love to read some reactions.
I've tried searching for published articles painting him being out as a good thing, but every sports writer is acting like it's some tragic loss for Chicago. If anyone knows of any articles calling out Rozsival's season ender as a good thing, I'd love to read that too.
I've tried searching for published articles painting him being out as a good thing, but every sports writer is acting like it's some tragic loss for Chicago. If anyone knows of any articles calling out Rozsival's season ender as a good thing, I'd love to read that too.
lol most of the reactions were some variation of "Marvie is partying right now"
Alligatorjandro
Banned
which ranger fan was this
http://www.barstoolsports.com/newyo...ns-in-his-section-after-the-game-7-ot-winner/
http://www.barstoolsports.com/newyo...ns-in-his-section-after-the-game-7-ot-winner/
That was me. Those guys were schmucks.
Seriously, though, that is my section. 
That looks like it's about 5+ rows or so up from my usual perch.
That looks like it's about 5+ rows or so up from my usual perch.Huh. I had no idea calder was in New York or that he owned a Team Sweden jersey.
This Boca Juniors-River Plate game has gone bananas. Boca fans tore apart the visiting team's entrance tunnel as they were coming out for the second half, attacked them with tear gas bombs, and have a drone flying around the stadium with a big B on it. Somehow the game is still only "suspended" due to "incidents" rather than Boca just being forced to forfeit.
It's like Philadelphia in the '70s down there.
It's like Philadelphia in the '70s down there.
You wont find anything like that from the Chicago writers at least. They never call out or criticize the Blackhawks for anything.
Heisenberg
Member
Still haven't gotten over last night. Just brutal, ugh.
Let's go Ducks!
Let's go Ducks!
FUBAR McDangles
Member
This list makes sense. The one ESPN put out doesnt.
Kane's offensive prowess still outweighs all the other stuff Toews does IMO. I've just never understood how Toews gets all the praise he does. Good player, great possibly, but no way is he top-5 in the game or whatever some people try to argue.
Yuppp
This has to be it.
Although I have heard from multiple people that he is a great guy and is really nice and all that. So he'd probably be decent to hang around with.
Dude. You respond to all those people... and ignore zroid's post which addressed exactly what you're apparently oblivious to.
Holy shit, where can I watch it?
Bobs Big Boy
Member
Have no idea anymore, these teams all seem at least equally worthwhile. Not sure what makes the best story anymore.
He reads what he wants to read.
It's over. They never restarted the game, and CONMEBOL finally called it off after an hour and sent people home so that the players could safely leave the field.
No idea what they do about the rest of the game. It's part of the Copa Libertadores.
http://thebiglead.com/2015/05/14/ri...hit-by-pepper-spray-in-match-vs-boca-juniors/
http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2015...r-spray-river-plate-players-get-super-clasico
This coming from the guy who will personally jack off any player born and raised in Minnesota is hilarious. If you can't see how much value Toews has as a player, I don't know what to say.FUBAR McDangles said:
Why are south america soccer fans so damn violent? I'll never understand it.
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
Perry getting the Conn Smythe would have me laughing til next year. Mr Burns style.
Are you even allowed to legally call yourself a Minnesotian(?) if you can't recognise how amazing Toews is?
Are you even allowed to legally call yourself a Minnesotian(?) if you can't recognise how amazing Toews is?
They wont give the conn smythe to a player from a team that doesnt even make the finals.
Calamari41
41 > 38
TAKE IT BACK
FUBAR McDangles
Member
I read it and had it quoted I thought but then forgot about it.
He's saying stats point out (and logic) that because Toews is so good defensively/all around it opens up space for Kane and others. And vice versa. That's understandable. It makes a lot of sense.
I like Kane's game more than Toews. That's what it comes down to for me.
Can't read this post cuz it sucks
I'd take Toews on my team no question. He's better than everyone on the Wild. Except maybe Suter, but defense/center is apples and oranges. And Suter had a terrible playoffs. Toews > Wild
I'd still rather have Kane tho.
Plus there are plenty of Minnesotans I don't like. Backes chief among them. Wheeler sucks ass too.
And is it so different than Canadians raving about Crosby/Toews/Stamkos/flavor of the Canadian week? No, not really. Yeah, I'll cheer on the Rangers because I have no dog in this race and they have two Minnesotans on their team. But how else am I going to decide who I want to win?
Maybe it's cuz I go to the college he went to, but all I hear and see all day long in the playoffs is just how goddamn amazing he is. I go to my fiancee's grandparents' place every summer to fish and they personally know Toews' aunt and uncle and it's just cock stroking the entire time how good he is. It sours him for me.
This University has issues with its past. Constantly stuck in the past with the worshipping of the Sioux mascot and constantly going on and on about the success Toews/Parise/Oshie/whoever the fuck brought to the town. It even comes down to the hockey team copying the Blackhawks goal song. I'm reminded of Toews and the Blackhawks every single day and I'm still salty about the last three eliminations from the Hawks and it sucks ass and fuck all you
Unhandled Exception
Member
It's impossible to know more about hockey than a Minnesotan knows about hockey so how dare you? Listen to the man and you might learn something.
Not even Suter's parents would take Suter over Toews.
Not to start a debate here, 'cause that's not what I'm trying to do, but I think it's important to realize that Kane is as effective an offensive player as he is because he's surrounded by guys like Toews and Hossa who can handle the tough assignments (and thrive against them).
For example, see below (data for all CHI forwards this season+playoffs):
(edit: I changed the size variable to Pts/60 to convey the offensive production of these players. Yes, Kane is very productive as you'd expect. So is Toews.)
Kane gets among the most offensive zone starts on the team, and faces medium competition -- on average! That's despite the fact that most opposing teams try to send their best players against him to limit his effectiveness. So really there's a see-saw effect where Quenneville attempts to use Kane in high leverage situations, whereas opposing coaches try to counteract that.
Kane is a phenomenal talent but Chicago has great team success because they work like a well-oiled machine, letting all of their players thrive under optimal situations. Unlike a lot of other teams, they're deep enough to have players for pretty much all situations.
TL;DR: Kane and Toews are both really good at what they do
I'm with you on this. I remember reading a comparison article between Kane and Kessel a while back and it really exposed his sheltered minutes and mediocre possession. Toews on the other hand made almost every player he played with better, and I think it's close to 100% of them.
Look at Kane's teammate stats this year and they're not pretty. For example Kane gets worse away from B Rich, that's including the minutes with Toews where they dominate.
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=298&withagainst=true&season=2014-15&sit=5v5
I don't wanna sound like I'm saying he blows, because I would want him on my team any day. Can't help but think Chicago is overpaying at 10.5 tho.
FUBAR McDangles
Member
Toews would have done something about it.
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
I get that we're talking about Toews but I don't see the Minnesotian context?
Calamari41
41 > 38
How were we supposed to know that when he didn't turn his father's death into a self serving narrative?
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
It's going to be really tough but I'll go with the Hawks in 6.
I don't like picking teams I like in 7 games on the road.
I don't like picking teams I like in 7 games on the road.
FUBAR McDangles
Member
He went to Shattuck in Minnesota /shrug
:lol
He makes it a bit hard to cheer for the Rangers at times.
Calamari41
41 > 38
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
apocalidiot
Banned
this dude is a manics alt. not even kidding. i knew something fishy was up
An alt account? That's highly illegal!
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
I fucking love Kesler and how amazing he's been these yoffs.
He knows Chicago well enough to know how to shut down Toews and Kane.
He knows Chicago well enough to know how to shut down Toews and Kane.
Unhandled Exception
Member
Honestly the resulting fall out around here from kessypoop getting a cup would be glorious
Suuuure he does. Against Kesler in the playoffs:
Toews : 19GP 7G 13A 20P
Kane: 19GP 10G 12A 22P
Not what I'd call shutting them down.
This is apparently how Kevin Hayes gets amped up to play in his first ECF tomorrow:
What ever works, I guess. ¯\_(ツ
Pitch Perfect is legit!
Calamari41
41 > 38
I heard Charlize Theron's character makes Max hold her purse in Fury Road. Will not be watching.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
The only Mad Max movies I've seen were the first one and the third one. But I was little when I saw them
Ooh, this is an angle of Stepan's goal I hadn't seen before. Looks like this is from the Chase Bridge. Really clear angle. In fact, this might be the clearest view of every element of the play that I've seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz1pSEQDOmg
Also has the entire celly, handshakes, 3 stars, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz1pSEQDOmg
Also has the entire celly, handshakes, 3 stars, etc.