There will now be mandatory format requirements for "I need a laptop" posts.
This is information we need included in your request for help finding the right laptop, so posts don't have to be wasted with asking and waiting for the simplest of information. Failure to comply may cause your post to be ignored. Simple inclusions:
Country where it will be purchased.
Maximum budget.
Max size (can be in screen inches, dimensions, weight).
Planned usage (what kind of games or specific games it must run, if heavily gaming at all). Ideally you'll point out what resolution and settings are your standard, based off of what I've laid out in the OP.
Whatever else you find relevant, misc. things such as desired battery life, screen resolution, fan noise, etc.
Note: If you're from outside of North America, please provide links to a few of your countries laptop retailers.
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Gaming Mouse Advice Thread
Recommended System Monitors: CPU-Z, HWMonitor, and GPU-Z
As always we start here.....
I feel this is an important question to ask, because with the gaming laptop you usually get roughly 1/3 of the GPU power you'd receive if the same amount of money was spent on a gaming tuned desktop. Allow me to explain how I reached that figure. Mobile GPUs are simply much more expensive than their desktop relatives. An aftermarket Clevo GTX 780M is currently $695, while its analogue, the GTX 680, can be found for as low as $300/ So you can build a desktop with SLI GTX 680 for the price of the single 780M equipped laptop. This example is not quite the "1/3" figure I calculated, but also factor in that the GTX 780M also cost around $850, originally.
Let that sink in a bit.
Note - I've left the original section above, so that people can see how far we've come.
2016 UPDATE TO THE ABOVE, CIRCA PASCAL RELEASE - 09/21/2016
As of the Pascal release, Nvidia has dumped the 'M' scheme, and is now simply release the full desktop chips at lower TDPs. This means a 1080 is a real 1080, a 1070 is a real 1070, and so on it will be from this time.
So the 1/3 ratio from above no longer stands. Now you can simply price out the laptop vs what the same build would cost on a desktop.
I still feel that, If you're going to be spending the majority of your time at home anyway, tethered and sitting at a desk, the desktop setup remains the much stronger and more economical choice.
UPDATE END
I've always held that the want for a gaming laptop should be about fulfilling one of very few things: necessity, luxury, or a combination of the two. They're a good option for:
- Frequent travelers - you spend a lot of time away from home and will rarely see time in front of your desktop.
- Students - You need something portable enough to take to class/studies and back home for holidays.
- Casuals - A cheaper laptop to play some games on the couch, or to compliment a more powerful desktop
- Ballers - Because you want one.
But I have good news, which is twofold. First, is that technology has advanced to the point where pretty much every laptop based on 2016 tech can game, at some level. This is mostly thanks to Intel and AMD's advances in integrated graphics power. Second, you no longer have to spend more than $1,000, to get a dedicated GPU, capable of 1080p/30fps.
Moving on to hardware.....
There is honestly little to touch on here, outside of 'AMD vs Intel', and 'Dual Core vs Quad Core'.
'AMD vs Intel' is rather easy, as AMD's current lineup of mobile CPUs is objectively horrible. You know there's an issue, when their flagship processor, is only as fast as Intel ULV dual cores. So the best advice is to avoid AMD at all costs.
'Dual Core vs Quad Core' is also a straightforward affair; if you can afford a quad, get a quad. In 2016, even the minimum specs for most games are asking for quads.
Which CPU should you choose? If you are planning on a GTX 1070 or 1080, take the i7-6820HK, if at all possible. The i7-6700HQ should still be adequate for the GTX 1060 and anything slower.
The GPU is priority #1, where you should allocate the majority of your budget.
For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to divide the GPUs into tiers, based on average performance in today's games, generally console ports. They are:
- Low: Low-Medium graphics, 720p-900p
- Medium: Medium-High graphics, 900p-1080p
- High: High-Ultra graphics, 1080p
- Ultra: Ultra graphics, 60+FPS, 1080p or greater, VR-Ready
- Ultra+: Welcome to 4K gaming. Enjoy your stay.
This will not be perfect and the absolute truth for each GPU, but it's the best way to help people know what they're generally going to be getting into with each card. Also, current gen cards and one generation removed cards only.
Fall 2016 Rankings
- Low: Intel iGPU, GT 940M
- Medium: GTX 950M, GTX 960M, GT 1040 ( rumored for Q4 2016),
- High: GTX 965M, GTX 970M, GTX 980M, GTX 1050 (rumored for October 2016)
- Ultra: GTX 1060, GTX 1070
- Ultra+: GTX 1080
But exactly what are the mobile cards, anyway?
I know a lot of perspective buyers of gaming laptop are coming from the desktop scene, and have little to no idea what the mobile GPUs names actually mean. After all, the GTX 670M has absolutely nothing in common or to do with the Desktop GTX 670. Most of these cards are indeed literally desktop chips, which have simply been undervolted and downclocked, to fit them within a viable mobile mobile TDP. So when I say that X = Y, know already that the card does not deliver 100% of its desktop analogue's performance, unless you are able to safely raise the voltage and achieve the reference desktop frequencies.
As of Pascal, there is no more confusion. The name of the card directly corresponds to what it is.
Nvidia Cards
GT 630M (which is a rebranded GT 540M, which is a rebranded GT 435M) = GT 430
GT 640M, 650M, 660M, 730M, 740M, 750M = GTX 650
GTX 670M (which is a rebranded GTX 570M) = GTX 550 Ti
GTX 675M (which is a rebranded GTX 580M) = GTX 560 Ti
GTX 760M, GTX 765M = GTX 650 Ti Boost
GTX 670MX, GTX 675MX, GTX 770M = GTX 660
GTX 860M, GTX 960M = GTX 750 Ti
GTX 680M = GTX 670
GTX 680MX, GTX 780M, GTX 880M = GTX 680
GTX 965M = GTX 960-ish
GTX 970M, GTX 980M = GTX 900 hybrids with no exact analogs
GT 1040, GTX 1050, 1060, 1070, 1080 = exactly as their desktop namesakes, with lower TDP
AMD Cards
7650M, 7670M (which are rebrands of 6630M, 6650M) = 6670 DDR3
7690M, 7690M XT ((which are rebrands of 6750M, 6770M) = 6670 GDDR5
7730M, 7750M, 7770M = 7750
7850M, 7870M, 8870M = 7770
7970M, 8970M = 7870
The best resource we currently have for comparing specs and gaming benchmarks is Notebookcheck. They are considered by many (including myself) to be of dubious consistency, but the fact is that they're the only site dedicated to the compiling of data on mobile GPU. I'd be dishonest if I said I don't appreciate the effort.
The best advice one can give: Spend as little as you possibly can on memory. A "mere"8GB of RAM is still "enough", but 12+ gigs of DDR4 RAM is the standard for comfort right now. Just don't blow large sums in the laptop manufacturer's Configurator, because buying your own is still more economical. Always take the minimum they offer and DIY upgrade it yourself at home, unless your specific laptop contains too complicated of an upgrade process.
This is another area where it may be best to check prices and upgrade yourself after purchase. SSDs are amazing boot drives, but if you aren't buying a laptop with two drives slots or an mSATA slot, you'll either need to sacrifice space or drop a wad of money on a large capacity SSD.
Do SSDs benefit gaming? Well, yes, but not greatly, as you won't gain in the framerate because of a faster drive. They definitely cut load times by a significant amount. Sometimes I feel mine loads too fast, as I in certain games never have enough time to read the cool little tidbits and tips the devs put in the load screens. I'll choose the faster loading any day though.
There is also a major safety benefit to the SSD. Not too long ago, my brother accidentally let his powered on laptop slide off of his lap, onto a lightly carpeted floor. No problem right? The next morning, it refused to boot. Turns out, the HDD had locked up due to the shock of the fall.
With an SSD, such a freak occurrence is not an issue, as there are no moving parts.
There will now be mandatory format requirements for "I need a laptop" posts.
This is information we need included in your request for help finding the right laptop, so posts don't have to be wasted with asking and waiting for the simplest of information. Failure to comply may cause your post to be ignored. Simple inclusions:
Country where it will be purchased.
Maximum budget.
Max size (can be in screen inches, dimensions, weight).
Planned usage (what kind of games or specific games it must run, if heavily gaming at all). Ideally you'll point out what resolution and settings are your standard, based off of what I've laid out in the OP.
Whatever else you find relevant, misc. things such as desired battery life, screen resolution, fan noise, etc.
Note: If you're from outside of North America, please provide links to a few of your countries laptop retailers.
With your guidance I decided to order a y510p. It probably won't be enough to be my main gaming system, but coupled with a next gen console I feel much better about my ability to experience the next few years in games than before.