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[Denton]

This thread is misleading. He says, and I quote:

"Maybe we avoided being called sexist this time because we have the guys there" (meaning the same sex optional relationship)

He is not saying that was the specific reason they decided to put it there. Also, this is a comedy show. The host then follows up with "but that's not enough these days, you are missing they/thems/its".

 

[Gorgon]

This thread is misleading. He says, and I quote:

"Maybe we avoided being called sexist this time because we have the guys there" (meaning the same sex optional relationship)

He is not saying that was the specific reason they decided to put it there. Also, this is a comedy show. The host then follows up with "but that's not enough these days, you are missing they/thems/its".

That completely changes the picture, then.

 

[Topher]

This thread is misleading. He says, and I quote:

"Maybe we avoided being called sexist this time because we have the guys there" (meaning the same sex optional relationship)

He is not saying that was the specific reason they decided to put it there. Also, this is a comedy show. The host then follows up with "but that's not enough these days, you are missing they/thems/its".

Ah.....sounds like it was said in jest then. Makes more sense. Thanks.

 

[Denton]

That completely changes the picture, then.

Vávra is one of the most outspoken antileftist conservatives in the country (and all leftists here hate him for it, because he is constantly dismantling their narratives). But, he is not homophobic or racist, so including one visitor from Africa and optional same sex relationship, when well written, does not constitute as forced woke to him.

 

[GymWolf]

Weak, dude lost a lot of aura if true.

Does he have an explanation for the black dude glazing?

 

[N0S]

 

[coachmcguirk91]

Hans having the option to be gay has got to be one of the stupidest, out of left field moves ever. I understand the pressure to have romances of all genders, but why wouldn't they just allow Henry to to romance random male NPC's? It's like the studio said "we are not sexist" and took it in the furthest possible direction to prove that point. Nobody was clamoring for Hans romance options. Too funny

And while Vavra probably isn't lying, he is 100% a grifter. He said the exact opposite at launch.

 

[Clear]

Appeasement does not work and will never work.

So appease us?

 

[Gorgon]

Vávra is one of the most outspoken antileftist conservatives in the country (and all leftists here hate him for it, because he is constantly dismantling their narratives). But, he is not homophobic or racist, so including one visitor from Africa and optional same sex relationship, when well written, does not constitute as forced woke to him.

My appologies if I wasn't clear, but I wasn't being snarky or ironic; It does completely change the context of what Vávra said.

 

[EviLore]

Weak, dude lost a lot of chud aura with this sequel.

Does he have an explanation for the black dude glazing?

I wouldn't characterize Musa that way. The typical woke approach would be to write him as genuinely morally superior, righteous, and infallible, with no significant character flaws. Not how they handled it in KCD2. He's quite the arrogant and unlikeable character and doesn't have anything of substance to say. He mainly talks up how much more worldly he is than the Bohemian peasants he's surrounded by and complains about the food.

 

[darrylgorn]

That completely changes the picture, then.

Yeah, something didn't seem right here. No actual quotes and doesn't even make sense that they would 'avoid accusations of sexism' by having a dudes sex option.

 

[GymWolf]

I wouldn't characterize Musa that way. The typical woke approach would be to write him as genuinely morally superior, righteous, and infallible, with no significant character flaws. Not how they handled it in KCD2. He's quite the arrogant and unlikeable character and doesn't have anything of substance to say. He mainly talks up how much more worldly he is than the Bohemian peasants he's surrounded by and complains about the food.

Doesn't he straight up say that they treat women much better and that english people are savages or dumb or some shit compared to his people? And as henry you can't really counter that shit.

I don't care much tbh but i was curious to hear if vavra spoke about that aswell.

 

[Hudo]

This thread is misleading. He says, and I quote:

"Maybe we avoided being called sexist this time because we have the guys there" (meaning the same sex optional relationship)

He is not saying that was the specific reason they decided to put it there. Also, this is a comedy show. The host then follows up with "but that's not enough these days, you are missing they/thems/its".

No. How dare you speak sensibly. I want to OUTRAAAAAAGEEEEE!

 

[EviLore]

Doesn't straight uo say that they treat women much better and that english people are savages or dump or some shit compared to his people? And as henry you can't really counter that shit.

I don't care much tbh but i was curious to hear if vavra spoke about that aswell.

It's true that Henry doesn't have great options to push back against Musa's trash talk, yes, which can feel out of place compared to your other conversations with arrogant, confrontational people in the game.

 

[Nocty]

Capon is the most insufferable character ever in an RPG in my opinion. Everytime he was on screen I was wishing this was a Larian RPG and I could just put an arrow between his eyes and the game continue on without him.

 

[Rudius]

Appeasement does not work and will never work.

He is not Chamberlain in this situation. He was trying to "avoid the train", if you know what I mean.

 

[MMaRsu]

 

[ValiantInstance]

I mean, the campaign of accusing him of racism until he bent the knee and diversified his games worked.

It works on most people, because they are too weak-willed to have conviction in their beliefs.

Being labelled a racist is as bad as being called a pedo to many people.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Cool. Now do Insomniac, Ubisoft and 343 Industries and keep pretending people have no reason to have pattern recognition.

Lol mental midget

 

[FireFly]

Cool. Now do Insomniac, Ubisoft and 343 Industries and keep pretending people have no reason to have pattern recognition.

Your post was a perfect example of how flawed "pattern recognition" is in humans. That's why science relies on verifiable data.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

This thread is misleading. He says, and I quote:

"Maybe we avoided being called sexist this time because we have the guys there" (meaning the same sex optional relationship)

He is not saying that was the specific reason they decided to put it there. Also, this is a comedy show. The host then follows up with "but that's not enough these days, you are missing they/thems/its".

Thought I was losing my mind when I read something almost entirely different than what the thread was pushing.

 

[BlackTron]

So appease us?

"You shouldn't appease Hitler with a small piece of land it's a bad idea that won't work"

"And appease you by not giving him something? Look, I wanted to give him this land. It was my idea anyway. See? No appeasement!"

 

[Clear]

"You shouldn't appease Hitler with a small piece of land it's a bad idea that won't work"

"And appease you by not giving him something? Look, I wanted to give him this land. It was my idea anyway. See? No appeasement!"

No its more like everyone on the fucking internet demands "bend to my will" these days.

Its lame and demented.

 

[BlackTron]

No its more like everyone on the fucking internet demands "bend to my will" these days.

Its lame and demented.

"Stop bending to that persons will dude"

"Haha no I won't appease you by doing that"

 

[seb85]

Who cares about 0.3 % of the population

 

[Lootlord]

Wow, turns out the conspiracy theorists were once again correct for accusing him of bending the knee to the woke mob.

Who knew.

Was it worth it, Vavra? Selling out your principles for that IGN coverage of the 'infamous gay kiss scene'?

Vavra: (too busy to answer as he sniffs a stack of money due to the high sales)

It's never worth selling your soul.

 

[violence]

No

 

[cyberheater]

Feel sorry for the devs being forced to add this crap to stop backlash from a small but very annoyingly vocal minority.
But you made your choice and I will not buy woke crap.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Staph the presses!!!!! this is yuge:

The chuds were right!!!

 

[Shmunter]

Pandering to special interest groups is what has fractured the world

 

[Gonzito]

He's quite the arrogant and unlikeable character and doesn't have anything of substance to say. He mainly talks up how much more worldly he is than the Bohemian peasants he's surrounded by and complains about the food.

Sounds like a typical Muslim cultist to me

 

[Kacho]

I thought it was because he had the budget this time? Lol

It’s so easy to be cynical of “inclusion” because of nonsense like this.

 

[EviLore]

Feel sorry for the devs being forced to add this crap to stop backlash from a small but very annoyingly vocal minority.
But you made your choice and I will not buy woke crap.

It's one little heart icon that comes up midway through the game. Choose a different dialogue option and it's gone. Didn't affect my playthrough. Maybe you can argue that merely knowing a romance option exists recontextualizes his relationship with Henry, much like knowing a friend wants to be involved with you romantically changes the dynamics of the friendship, but it's not a huge deal. It does break from Henry's established character from KCD1 though, for no good reason. But it doesn't make the entire game woke by any stretch.

More importantly, Hans is completely insufferable as a character this time around and has a lot more screen time.

 

[jason10mm]

To be honest optional stuff like this is good for everyone. It's historically accurate as well, gay people were always present in society.

Contrast this with over the top bullshit in Dragon Age...

Give me 10 barves you trans/homo/lesbo/something-phobic piece of shit!

Thye really should have a set of toggles in the beginning so you can tailor the game without having to endure those awkward "so, do you perhaps want to go out behind the wood shed?" soft offers in game form every wackadoodle character lobbing lgbtqrs stuff at you.

Or, since this is a game set in a much less tolerant era, you get yer gay sex and are then burned at the stake for it.

 

[LimanimaPT]

Who gives a fk? Who complains is a minor minority that doesn't even play games.
Add that kind of shit if it makes sense for your game, if it doesn't let it out.

 

[Kacho]

But it doesn't make the entire game woke by any stretch.

Of course not. Just like Type A/B gender options in Dragon Quest 3 doesn’t make it woke. But adding this stuff isn’t authentic. It’s more checkbox nonsense.

 

[EDMIX]

It does break from Henry's established character from KCD1 though, for no good reason. But it doesn't make the entire game woke by any stretch.

I don't disagree with you but generally the people who use the word "woke" seems to claim almost anything as that, Even the photo earlier of the development team they don't even care about the contexts of that photo or how many people overall work at the company Or even the exact roles of the people in the photo, they'll just use that photo to make a claim with very little evidence.

edit. they'll do the same thing with GTA6, they'll ignore it has like 3000 plus people working on it and just fixate on a photo of like 15 people lol

Of course not. Just like Type A/B gender options in Dragon Quest 3 doesn’t make it woke. But adding this stuff isn’t authentic. It’s more checkbox nonsense.

Agreed, its weird the KCD2 director even came out and stated this, they would have been better off just saying its cause they wanted it in the game or something, I don't really even see how this whole "avoid sexism allegations" would ever hurt the game even if someone did make the claim. Henry can merely be exactly how he was in KCD1. I'm ok with their choice to change his character if they want, merely suspect that its reasoning seems to have little to do with the actual game, but something outside of the game.

 

[Denton]

My appologies if I wasn't clear, but I wasn't being snarky or ironic; It does completely change the context of what Vávra said.

I understand how you meant it, I was just providing more context. Anyone in Czechland who knows Vávra finds these accusations that he "bent the knee" or whatever laughable.

I wouldn't characterize Musa that way. The typical woke approach would be to write him as genuinely morally superior, righteous, and infallible, with no significant character flaws. Not how they handled it in KCD2. He's quite the arrogant and unlikeable character and doesn't have anything of substance to say. He mainly talks up how much more worldly he is than the Bohemian peasants he's surrounded by and complains about the food.

There is a moment of self-reflection when he admits that he is a coward and his main interest is staying alive. That is why he left Bayezid's court to go with Sigismund, to avoid war with Timur's mongols. Musa is not written as black or white (no pun intended) character and I am glad he is in the game, he broadens Henry's knowledge of the world (however biased Musa is). Btw, thread title should be modified to not be misleading.

 

[EviLore]

Give me 10 barves you trans/homo/lesbo/something-phobic piece of shit!

Thye really should have a set of toggles in the beginning so you can tailor the game without having to endure those awkward "so, do you perhaps want to go out behind the wood shed?" soft offers in game form every wackadoodle character lobbing lgbtqrs stuff at you.

Or, since this is a game set in a much less tolerant era, you get yer gay sex and are then burned at the stake for it.

Yeah, BG3's biggest problem at release was every character propositioning you for sex at the smallest hint that you're being polite with them. Honestly ridiculous. Cyberpunk has some issues there too. It can get awkward when you know you're one dialogue option away from getting intimate with that cop guy at all times, on a mission where you hang out with him for hours and talk about your emotional baggage over drinks while looking at the moonlight. In order to maximize the roleplaying options things can get pretty far away from a natural situation.

 

[Pandawan]

Studio is much larger now. Not even necessarily a larger percentage of women. Are they not allowed to have a female employee photo op without people being triggered?

Re: your other points, KCD2 can feel bloated at times yes, with too much following people around like a GTA game. I prefer the story and quest design of the original too.

Well, this whole DEI culture is hiding behind women and minorities. Of course, it's hard to criticize DEI, because people will tell you: what? you don't like women, why do you want to forbid them from working?

It's not about women. It is not about photo with women. It's about politics. Photo just shows that they are commtited to this policies. In the past, there were few women at Warюrse Studios (as well as at all other studios), not because they were deliberately rejected! No! There were few women, because in principle there were fewer of them who wanted to work in this industry, because they were losing the competition. Studios recruited based on merrit, based on who suited them best, not on gender. This worked perfectly for many years and gave good results. For decades we got brilliant games made by such system, and now they ve changed the system and games become shittier and shittier!

And now it has become more important to recruit women. Now gender is more important than experience, than skills. And this definitely affects the quality of games! They recruit dull people with not senses of what is cool, just to report that they have more women now: look we have become more inclusive! For decades we got brilliant games made by merrit system, and now they ve changed the system and games become shittier and shittier!

Don't write me off as sexist! I am all for Let women do what they want. If they want to work in the gaming industry, let them work! But let them achieve this on an equal footing with everyone else! Don’t arrange some kind of system of privileges for women

I am all for fighting sexism! But fighting sexism = fighting discrimination against women. Women should never be rejected just because she is a woman! But no one should hire someone just because she is a woman! This is another extreme that I express my dissatisfaction with here. Which ruins the games!

 

[kruis]

The guy seemed very gung-ho that the entire thing was his choice and that was the only reason, but now this comes out lol

Also makes me wonder if Musa was put in to avoid racism allegations then?

Of course.

 

[EDMIX]

Yeah, BG3's biggest problem at release was every character propositioning you for sex at the smallest hint that you're being polite with them

lol yesssssssssssssss! Listen, if you talk to some of the characters the wrong way....you now in a relationship, engaged etc lol The wedding will be in the spring lol


I was merely letting Gale know we were friends and I like (sure, I like Gale, he is a cool character, I hope he doesn't leave our party) annnnnnd now he trying to sleep with me and we need to find an auto save lol I feel much more should have been done in those situations, as they left what you were saying way too vague.

 

[Peroroncino]

Bend the knee once, now you'll be on your knees sucking more and more dick to avoid this or that. Have fun.

All the more baffling considering that the original controversy with KCD1 did fuck all and the game was very successful.

 

[Denton]

Bend the knee once, now you'll be on your knees sucking more and more dick to avoid this or that. Have fun.

All the more baffling considering that the original controversy with KCD1 did fuck all and the game was very successful.

See, EviLore ? This is what bad translations and misleading threads do, stupid posts like these.

 

[Saber]

So in the end it wasn't anything they like to do, just some pandering out of fear.
Thats sad really.

 

[adamsapple]

And people try to tell us these things being added to games is an organic process.

Vavra himself said nothing was added in the game that he didnt intend to.

This thread is misleading. He says, and I quote:

"Maybe we avoided being called sexist this time because we have the guys there" (meaning the same sex optional relationship)

He is not saying that was the specific reason they decided to put it there. Also, this is a comedy show. The host then follows up with "but that's not enough these days, you are missing they/thems/its".

See, EviLore ? This is what bad translations and misleading threads do, stupid posts like these.

"tech4gamers" is a shitty website and I don't know why it's used as a source here. Their whole shtick is making inflammatory articles like this.

My man LectureMaster we've had this discussion before as well I think.

 

[M1chl]

This would have been worded very differently if it would be "gays we added to avoid sexism allegations" what he said was direct "we avoided game being sexist by having a men in the game" implying men as who have gay sex.

Source: I am Czech

 

[Kilau]

Bend the knee once, now you'll be on your knees sucking more and more dick to avoid this or that. Have fun.

All the more baffling considering that the original controversy with KCD1 did fuck all and the game was very successful.

 

[Blitzkrieg!]

They should consider just dropping romance subplots all together. They are always cringe (unless you get to see tits) and are more trouble than they’re worth.

 

[EviLore]

They should consider just dropping romance subplots all together. They are always cringe (unless you get to see tits) and are more trouble than they’re worth.

The Witcher 3 pulled them off well, but that was a while ago.