2016 NFL Season OT - Week Three - Dylan Once Wrote

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MechDX said:
So does this mean I can create an "AFCS Division OT: You cant handle all this greatness!" thread?
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Today people usually wear all their Texans gear. You know. Texans Friday.

I have seen nothing.

It's all good. Now at least no bandwagon fans! We are saved!
 
Avon Barksdale said:
I'm still amazed that the Eagles went into Foxboro and cooked on the Pats.

Even if they did try to blow it at the end.
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Chip is a really good coach. Even when the Eagles got behind he didnt panic or go totally out of character. These coaches dont seem to realize that when they change what they do when playing the Pats they are sending a clear message to their teams. Hard to play with confidence when your own coach doesnt have any.
 
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jmdajr said:
Today people usually wear all their Texans gear. You know. Texans Friday.

I have seen nothing.

It's all good. Now at least no bandwagon fans! We are saved!
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Ive already read comments saying to bring Keenum back.
 
Avon Barksdale said:
I'm still amazed that the Eagles went into Foxboro and cooked on the Pats.

[SPOLER]Even if they did try to blow it at the end.[/SPOILER]
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Chip understands the value of special teams just as much as Belichick does. He actually had the superior ST unit that night. That's a big deal with all the teams playing the Pats. NE always wins the field position battle. To score a TD teams have to go the whole field, usually 80+ yards

I really don't think most NFL coaches grasp how many points ST cost them. They know the dogma, but it's like O'Brien last night not even watching a kicking play. If the HC can't be bothered then why would the players?
 
squicken said:
Chip understands the value of special teams just as much as Belichick does. He actually had the superior ST unit that night. That's a big deal with all the teams playing the Pats. NE always wins the field position battle. To score a TD teams have to go the whole field, usually 80+ yards

I really don't think most NFL coaches grasp how many points ST cost them. They know the dogma, but it's like O'Brien last night not even watching a kicking play. If the HC can't be bothered then why would the players?
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ESPN Stats & Info ✔ @ESPNStatsInfo
Avg starting field position Thursday:
Patriots- own 41 (best of any team this season)
Texans- own 16 (worst of any team this season)
11:30 AM - 23 Sep 2016
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squicken said:
Chip understands the value of special teams just as much as Belichick does. He actually had the superior ST unit that night. That's a big deal with all the teams playing the Pats. NE always wins the field position battle. To score a TD teams have to go the whole field, usually 80+ yards

I really don't think most NFL coaches grasp how many points ST cost them. They know the dogma, but it's like O'Brien last night not even watching a kicking play. If the HC can't be bothered then why would the players?
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Yeah, that's actually the big thing that pats fans I talked to after that game called out. They all said that the Patriots never lose the ST battle, and that's part of why they're so dominant. Except for that night. Brady's pick six helped definitely. However, not only did the blocked punt and the punt return put points up, but the rest of the time Donnie Jones was pinning the pats deep and making them drive the whole field. Bringing in Dave Fipp is one of the best things Chip has done for the team.
 
squicken said:
Chip understands the value of special teams just as much as Belichick does. He actually had the superior ST unit that night. That's a big deal with all the teams playing the Pats. NE always wins the field position battle. To score a TD teams have to go the whole field, usually 80+ yards

I really don't think most NFL coaches grasp how many points ST cost them. They know the dogma, but it's like O'Brien last night not even watching a kicking play. If the HC can't be bothered then why would the players?
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The fact that Pederson kept almost all of the special teams stars, and coach Dave Fipp around is what makes me hold out hope that he gets this too. Guys like Chris Maragos, Bryan Braman, and even Josh Huff are only on the roster because of ST ability. It helps that Donnie Longball is such a damn good punter too.
 
squicken said:
Chip understands the value of special teams just as much as Belichick does. He actually had the superior ST unit that night. That's a big deal with all the teams playing the Pats. NE always wins the field position battle. To score a TD teams have to go the whole field, usually 80+ yards

I really don't think most NFL coaches grasp how many points ST cost them. They know the dogma, but it's like O'Brien last night not even watching a kicking play. If the HC can't be bothered then why would the players?
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Chip talked about ST's being a big market inefficiency in the NFL when he got hired. I am surprised that more teams have not jumped on that. His second year the Eagles got so many points out of their STs. It kept them in so many games that they normally wouldnt have been in.
 
yankeehater said:
Chip talked about ST's being a big market inefficiency in the NFL when he got hired. I am surprised that more teams have not jumped on that. His second year the Eagles got so many points out of their STs. It kept them in so many games that they normally wouldnt have been in.
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i think squick posted the graph of special teams spending and their grades. pats are spending way more than any other team and they easily have the best in the league.

it was pretty amazing watching ryan allen pin the texans back at their own 10 time after time. when your QB doesn't turn the ball over and your special teams can keep the other team backed up against the end zone the game is yours for the taking.
 
Bread said:
i think squick posted the graph of special teams spending and their grades..
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AWF brought up Brian Braman for the Eagles, and he used to be on the Texans. Since he couldn't play LB, they cut him. The Eagles realize his value as a special teams player and use him their exclusively. It's one team being smarter than the other
 
Football Outsiders has two excellent film room articles up. One for Sterling Shephard. I'll take a small segment and show it below and then post the link. It's a really good read:

Beckham is the unquestioned top target in the Giants offense. His explosiveness and ball skills separate him from most of the receivers in the league. Shepard has been the best receiver on the Giants offense so far this year though.
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The above chart tracks all of Shepard's catchable targets from the season so far. The green dots represent targets that Shepard caught. The red dots represent targets he Shepard didn't catch. There are no red dots.

Shepard has caught every target that has gone his way except for one. That one wasn't catchable. It became an interception as Shepard appeared to run the wrong route. Besides that mistake and one play where he didn't line up correctly, Shepard has been flawless. He's not getting schemed open, and he's not reliant on Manning throwing him open. He has actually helped Manning as much as Manning has helped him to this point. The rookie receiver has repeatedly made adjustments to passes that weren't perfectly placed.
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On this touchdown in Week 1, Shepard lined up in the slot and ran around his outside receiver to put the defensive back in a trailing position. Ideally, this pass would have been thrown with a different trajectory. Manning hangs it up in the air slightly too much instead of pushing it further into the end zone to lead Shepard away from the trailing defender. By hanging the ball a little, Manning forces Shepard to stop in his route and turn to attack the ball in the air. Shepard had a 41-inch vertical leap at the combine, tied with Josh Doctson were tied for the best mark. Shepard used that 41-inch vertical to rise above the defensive back on this play. He made a hands catch away from his body with the defender's left arm between his chest and the ball. That left arm put pressure on Shepard to hold onto the ball away from his body as he fell to the ground. He could eventually bring it into his body, but had to show off the strength to maintain control throughout the catch.

Athleticism and ball skills mean the 5-foot-10 receiver isn't held back by his height.
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There's an image showing the touchdown play at the link. There's a lot more analysis here: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2016/film-room-sterling-shepard

The second film room is on Eli which I'll post up separately as to avoid a TL;DR scenario.:)
 
squicken said:
AWF brought up Brian Braman for the Eagles, and he used to be on the Texans. Since he couldn't play LB, they cut him. The Eagles realize his value as a special teams player and use him their exclusively. It's one team being smarter than the other
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Yeah he is such a great STer. Has 11 tackles the last 2 years and only makes $1m a year. It is shocking that a team would cut a guy like that.
 
The Eli Manning film room from Football Outsiders from back in August is the second article. It's discussing the 2015 season and how much the receiving group hamstrung Eli's production despite his playing at a high level.

Manning will be remembered as an inconsistent, mistake-prone quarterback, but that's not always what he has been. For most of his career, his inconsistency and mistakes were a result of trying to throw the ball while wearing Kevin Gilbride's straightjacket of a scheme.

Ben McAdoo is the Giants head coach because of Eli Manning's success in his scheme over the past two years. McAdoo was brought in to completely alter the identity of the Giants offense from a vertical, deep-drop passing game to a quick-hitting, short-throw scheme. The Giants' level of talent has generally been low over the second half of Manning's career, and that didn't change when Gilbride left. What did change was how much Manning was allowed to elevate his teammates. The offense became less about fitting the ball into tight windows and throwing under pressure. McAdoo set the offense up so Manning could show off his acumen, timing, and precision. Had Manning played in this offense over the course of his career, he would likely be viewed in higher regard. He would likely be a certain Hall of Famer and someone pushing to be viewed in the same light as Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees.
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Odell Beckham's presence as one of the three best receivers in the NFL gives Manning a star to throw to. Beckham is just one receiver though. After Beckham, Manning has been throwing to incompetent receivers. Shane Vereen was the team's second-most talented receiver last year and he was on the fringe of the offense, often conceding snaps to Andre Williams. While McAdoo's offense tightened windows, the routes of Rueben Randle, Dwayne Harris, Hakeem Nicks, and Myles White tightened them again. Furthermore, while tightening those windows they were also dropping passes. His tight ends, Will Tye and Larry Donnell, were particularly at fault when it came to dropping passes, but even Beckham had significant drop issues in 2015. Charting for the Pre-Snap Reads Quarterback Catalogue revealed that Manning lost the fourth-most receptions on accurate throws because of receiver error last season. He lost 62 completions in 617 attempts -- essentially one out of every ten throws.
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You see, Giants receivers didn't just subdue Manning's production, they repeatedly created interception opportunities for his opponents. Six of Manning's interceptions in 2015 weren't his fault. Three of those six came when the ball bounced off of his receiver's hands. Only one quarterback, Ryan Tannehill, had more interceptions last year that were the fault of his teammates. Manning himself had an impressive 34.3 attempts per interception that ranked him in the top 10. Manning can take care of the ball in this system because he's accurate, he's smart, and he is comfortable holding the ball in the pocket or releasing it against pressure. No matter how the defense approaches him, he will react and adjust accordingly.
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There's a ton more analysis breaking down plays at the link. Their final statement:

Manning is the whole package. He plays to his skill set consistently despite having the same wobbly moments that most quarterbacks have. His just happen to be in New York, where everything is bigger and brighter.

It's too late for Manning to alter his perception and the place he will take in the annals of NFL history. He can still continue to be a quality starter for the Giants into his late thirties if 2015 is anything to go by. The Giants probably don't have the quality around Manning to make another meaningful run at the Super Bowl, but they do have precedent when it comes to making shock journeys into late January.
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Again, really great read. You can see it here: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2016/film-room-eli-manning
 
Top-graded 4-3 DEs so far
1. Brandon Graham, PHI
2. Carlos Dunlap, CIN
3. Chris Long, NE
4. Jason Pierre-Paul, NYG
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Pro Football Focus (@PFF) September 21, 2016
 
Hindl said:
Yeah, that's actually the big thing that pats fans I talked to after that game called out. They all said that the Patriots never lose the ST battle, and that's part of why they're so dominant. Except for that night. Brady's pick six helped definitely. However, not only did the blocked punt and the punt return put points up, but the rest of the time Donnie Jones was pinning the pats deep and making them drive the whole field. Bringing in Dave Fipp is one of the best things Chip has done for the team.
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Makes me wonder why we don't see more teams have their kickers coffin kick. If you had a kicker that could consistently coffin kick and pin teams deep you would devastate the opposing offense all game long and you win the field position battle.
 
Cian Fahey is right.

Eli's reputation would have fared much better in another offensive system than Gilbride's; especially if he had MacAdoo his entire career.

One thing he didn't mention, that Eli is completely awful while having to scramble, ball protection issues ahoy.

In Gilbride's favor, his overly complex scheme is the reason we beat Frisco (along with balls to the knee); I remember wuts his face complaining about option routes.
 
wienke said:
Browns have to get 4-6 wins somehow!
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With Kessler's first game against a semi decent defense.. Pls..

chuckddd said:
It'll be embarrassing to not win by 40.
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It kinda would be with how injured we are again..

The_Darkest_Red said:
You told me VT would beat Tennessee. :'(
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I'm sorry that I thought Butch Jones would not do his job again and fail to prepare the Vols.. I did really believe because Butch is a so-so coach at best.

Himynameischris said:
Flo pls, this is exactly the type of game the Dolphins would lose....big home opener of newly remodeled stadium? Or at the very least keep it closer than it should be.
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Sure.. But you aren't losing.. Can you sit there with a straight face and say Cody Kessler can beat the Dolphins.. You know you can't.
 
I've watched some Giants game this year. That secondary is hella suspect Future, but this might be the year again though. They're playing a lot smarter. Hows the pass rush though?
 
Fantomex said:
I've watched some Giants game this year. That secondary is hella suspect Future, but this might be the year again though. They're playing a lot smarter. Hows the pass rush though?
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This is actually the best Giants secondary have had for a long long long time, and all the passes Brees and Prescott were mostly made underneath against the linebackers (you had Cowboys fans complaining about the Cowboys refusing to go deep against the Giants).

The defensive line's pass rush is good, not great, but they're really solid against the run with two stud tackles in Snaks and Hankins.
 
Draxal said:
This is actually the best Giants secondary we've had for a long long long time, and all the passes Brees and Prescott were mostly made against our linebackers (you had Cowboys fans complaining about the Cowboys refusing to go deep against the Giants).
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I'mma keep it real for you Draxal. I really don't trust Prince. Once you guys got rid of him, it made me remember he's no longer there to be a mismatch. So yeah your probably right.
 
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