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2017-18 TV Season Cancellations: Guess which woman's late night show got cancelled
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Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
handmaid's tale is a bit of a downer -- that's about the worst thing i can say about the show
Understatement of the year.
But yeah the show is freaking excellent, the worst thing I can say is that they did some weird mixing on a song in a scene which pulled me out for a split second.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Stump and berzeli covered the weak spots of Handmaid's Tale. Other than that, it's definitely the highlight of the year. I hope Elizabeth Moss gets showered in awards
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
They launched in Sweden without even localizing it??
+1 Handmaid's Tale. The worst thing I can say about it is that sometimes the end scene music is too on the nose and also that episode 7 is a bit "filler-y".
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
SunDimension24
Member
Wow.......I did not see that coming at all.
Better than Roadies confirmed!
Yeah, did not expect to see this one return, as well.
They launched without localisation, without subtitles for the majority for their programming, and without the latest from seasons of Amazon originals (since they were already licensed to other, better services).
It is a 102 in how to not launch your streaming service. 101 is HBO Nordic, and to rectify that HBO revamped the entire site+apps (including streaming tech), changed the entire business plan, and did a re-launch campaign where they went and said "we fucked up, check out our free trial to see if we have improved). Nothing short of that and Amazon is fucked in the Nordics... again, you'd think they would have learned from their failure to- wait they're trying again? (article from April this year)
and in case anyone wonders how this is news, pls let me introduce something that has been endlessly amusing to be for several years:
(actually slightly earlier than that from what I've heard)
I know they made enquiries/an offer as early as 2007
If this gets cancelled after renewal it definitely is Showtime's Vinyl!
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
YouTube views for the trailers released 3ish months ago on the respective official channel accounts:
(in millions)
The Gifted - 13.8
Marvel's Inhumans - 8.93
The Mayor - 4.41
The Good Doctor - 3.92
The Orville - 3.13
Young Sheldon - 2.72
Will & Grace - 2.10 (trailer from January)
Dynasty - 2.04
Roseanne - 1.94
Ghosted - 1.16
S.W.A.T. - 905K
Valor - 431K
Seal Team - 285K
Me, Myself & I - 155K
9JKL - 146K
Wisdom of the Crowd - 134K
Ten Days in the Valley - 32K
The original trailers for Kevin (Probably) Saves the World fka The Gospel of Kevin, The Brave, and Law & Order True Crime: The Menendez Murders are gone.
(in millions)
The Gifted - 13.8
Marvel's Inhumans - 8.93
The Mayor - 4.41
The Good Doctor - 3.92
The Orville - 3.13
Young Sheldon - 2.72
Will & Grace - 2.10 (trailer from January)
Dynasty - 2.04
Roseanne - 1.94
Ghosted - 1.16
S.W.A.T. - 905K
Valor - 431K
Seal Team - 285K
Me, Myself & I - 155K
9JKL - 146K
Wisdom of the Crowd - 134K
Ten Days in the Valley - 32K
The original trailers for Kevin (Probably) Saves the World fka The Gospel of Kevin, The Brave, and Law & Order True Crime: The Menendez Murders are gone.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
But why? 😐
Not only did nobody watch but it sucked. I don't think there's enough retooling in the world that could make me give that show another chance.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
The Brave picked up showrunners after the pilot process and name change and my understanding is that there's a bit of a tonal shift. Not sure if they reshot the pilot or they're keeping it as is.
dead souls
Member
Completely fucking shocking given the absurdly dire ratings. It got a little better over the course of the season. I'll watch season 2.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
torre_avenue
Banned
What the absolute fuck.
How does a show as universally panned as this one survive? I half-expect season 2 to just be shot in one location and kill off half its cast.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
It probably pulled in a not-completely-horrible audience for them on demand (as opposed to the live numbers, which were awful). It was also mentioned in the Deadline article that the execs at Showtime liked the pitch for season 2.
I would say it started on September 1 with Dad of Light and a new season of Narcos. American Horror Story's new season also started up four days ago, and Boseman Horsejack started up again yesterday.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Someone asked about this in the last cancellation thread, so I figured I'd mention it here, but one of Cinemax's dead projects might get revived at Amazon: the adaptation of Garth Ennis' The Boys. They've put in a script order for it (still from Eric Kripke, Seth Rogen, and Evan Goldberg), with an eye for a straight to series order.
Source
The article lists a variety of new projects in the works at Amazon, but no mention of what's become of the last batch of pilots that Amazon sent out for testing last March. Namely 'Oasis', which was their most watched pilot from that batch. It got nearly twice the amount of ratings as The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel (which got a 2 season pick up) - about 16K vs 8K - and it also reviewed very well on Amazon (5 solid stars) and imdb - an 8.3 vs Maisel's 8.7.
I mean, we all know Amazon's pilot season is a sham, but still...
Source
The article lists a variety of new projects in the works at Amazon, but no mention of what's become of the last batch of pilots that Amazon sent out for testing last March. Namely 'Oasis', which was their most watched pilot from that batch. It got nearly twice the amount of ratings as The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel (which got a 2 season pick up) - about 16K vs 8K - and it also reviewed very well on Amazon (5 solid stars) and imdb - an 8.3 vs Maisel's 8.7.
I mean, we all know Amazon's pilot season is a sham, but still...
Jason Frost
Member
What is the title referring to?
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
The thing where people are suppose to pick the show?
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Yes, it's all nonsense.
Green Embers
Member
So is Oasis in limbo then? I watched it the other month and really liked it. In fact I wanted to know what would happen next, so I read the book it is based off of. Which did me no good, the book is different, very different. (Good book though)
Norwegian Rudo
Member
Cable, streaming etc. don't count. "The season" is strictly broadcast. I would say the season probably starts the week of the 25th, when the vast majority returns, and anything earlier is getting a jump start.
Norwegian Rudo
Member
Speaking of Amazon, apparently Bezos himself has mandated a major shift in their programming output. He wants Game Of Thrones type shows, in term of global appeal, not whatever they've been trying so far.
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/amazon-studios-jeff-bezos-roy-price-zelda-1202552532/
It's pretty fun to see how some of the article basically mirrors the discussion we had earlier in this thread:
article said:
article said:
But the notion that all they need is a "big global show" in order to gain subscribers is exactly why they aren't competitive. Like you can't just "build it and they will come".
If you take a look at the biggest mainstream film/tv site in Sweden, my best guess is that the average user mirrors that of IMDb (i.e. overwhelmingly male, nerd-ish, 18-30). And now let's take a look at two of the big shows premiering in Sweden, one on Amazon, the other on HBO Nordic:
American Gods is rated by 14 people | IMDb 35,325 votes <- 4:1 ratio men:women
Handmaid's Tale is rated by 57 people | IMDb 29,801 votes <- 50/50 split on gender
And smaller shows, but this time use Netflix (which admittedly has more subscribers than all other services combined in the Nordics):
Sneaky Pete is rated by 1 person | IMDb 12,254 votes
Gypsy is rated by 10 people | IMDb 6,734 votes
Okay so that's not an entirely fair comparison, let's see if we can find something on HBO Nordic which premiered this year and wasn't particularly big:
Room 104 is rated by 2 people | IMDb 1,316 votes
Now obviously because this is just a from single datapoint, but the discrepancy is massive. And like, there isn't much data on Amazon in Sweden because their footprint is so small it isn't even tracked by our equivalent of Rasmussen.
The biggest shows in the world won't save you, yet again HBO had to redo everything about their service in order for it to catch on and they literally have Game of Thrones.
And shit like this is worrying:
Figured as much, shame cause i liked some of the shows
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Amazon has cancelled The Last Tycoon.
Cornballer
Member
Must have been a lot of emergency meetings at Amazon's TV unit over the last few days. Management in Seattle finally caught on to what was going on, and the knives are out.
dolaneverythingwascancelled.jpg
Amazon getting ruthless! They're in the closest avenue to compete with Netflix (though Hulu is catching up, and Disney and Apple might hit hard in two years), so going for broader and larger scale shows might be a good move. But it would be super unfortunate if the smaller, artier kinds of things fall by the wayside in the process, at least for me.
Dedication Through Light
Member
I hope AMZN doesnt cancel Goliath.
Since they canned the showrunner, scrapped three episodes (which I think were possibly even filmed?), and brought in a new showrunner, I think it's very safe, if they're allowing it that much leeway!
Edit: I'll keep what I wrote above. But apparently it was four episodes! And rather than rewrite, they just cut the episode order down to seven.
That definitely is weird. Hopefully nothing funny happens to it, it's great!
I thought Amazon already cancelled their Fitzgerald based period piece?
Wonder if they'll cull some executives as well.
Well:
Not that behind the scenes drama is necessarily the death knell of a show. It did end up with a shortened season order, then again same thing with season 1. But if it drops in popularity and/or Billy Bob Thornton doesn't win another Golden Globe it's probably not too long for this world.
This is going to devastate my sister lol
She loves that show.
dead souls
Member
Amazon treating its shows like one of their warehouse employees.
At least their warehouse employees make them money.
dead souls
Member
^^^
Lol. Amazon will probably replace both with robots.
Lol. Amazon will probably replace both with robots.
Jason Frost
Member
I'm still gonna watch that shit.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
It's already been renewed.
Watch something else instead. Like 100 Million Yen Women on Netflix, that is a good Japanese Netflix Original that I am sure tons of people ignore because subtitles.
I read the comments under the Netflix YT trailer of Club de Cuervos, an excellent Mexican Netflix Original comedy, and it just saddened me how many of them were negative because not-English or saying they would never ever watch a non-English show. I didnt even know this was a real thing, but I guess it is so.
Anyways, sorry for going off topic. It really does not seem Inhumans is something you should waste your time on, but that should have beeen obvious from the second you saw Scott Buck made this hehe.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Americans in general hate anything that is subtitled.
Jason Frost
Member
Maybe.
It was already renewed last year (2016), not only for a fourth season (2017), but also for a fifth and final season (2018).
What?
I seriously always thought this was just a punchline used in comedies to giggle at how narrow minded the characters were. I am quite shocked to find out it is actually true.
Maybe I shouldnt be that surprised. Shame though, big shame.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I've actually been wondering this myself. It's airing on Fridays, the bar is already pretty low. I doubt another IMAX deal is happening, but the show already looks mega cheap.
I still remember Walmart having warning signs taped up in the DVD section when Pan's Labyrinth came out. So many people had bought the movie and returned it when they found it was subtitled that Walmart decided they needed to save folks lol.
But to be fair, the marketing campaign for that movie did everything it could to hide the fact it was a foreign language film.