We (UK) have a typically well functioning gun regulations and we aren't afraid of facing at least of some of our problems. In this case, it seems like it was a flaw in implement the regulation as his gun which was taken away was then given back to him.
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23 year old incel kills 5 people with shotgun before killing himself in Plymouth, UK
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PleaseDontBanMe
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i legit never knew ppl in the UK had guns
the world is doomed
the world is doomed
Armorian
Banned
This worked out for people with shit social skills, they need way more time to adapt to other people so arranged marriages without all the dating part are the only solution for them. In modern countries they will remain incels for life. Plus before cars and telephones people were restricted to find their partners in some finite area around them so almost all of them would eventually got their life partners if the split of sexes were ~50/50. And this was common in almost all counties ~120/150 years ago (still in India for example). Marriages based on love are relatively new and love can always go away at some point.
Now we have this:
There will be many frustrated males thanks to apps like this.
GymWolf
Member
Because they are coward, a band of drug dealers can shoot at you or catch and torture you, but what can a child do?!
They want to die quick with a bullet in their head, not fucked up by other bad people.
That's your answer.
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Marty-McFly
Banned
He looks like an average guy to me. I have a neighbour who looks like Mr. Potato Head and he's banged half the city.
This murderer focused on his outer self which he believed to be subpar, but it's really just his mind that's rotten.
This murderer focused on his outer self which he believed to be subpar, but it's really just his mind that's rotten.
Ionian
Member
Some of the replies in this thread are incredible to say the least, you can tell the worst ones are from people not from the UK or anywhere near and some are despicable.
Anyone saying situations like this are uncommon are telling the truth, that deranged fucker deserves to rot in hell and murders do happen daily but not anything like this. This is shockingly sad, especially that young girl. I can't imagine what the families are going through and no doubt tabloids are going to start hounding them for stories now.
Anyone saying situations like this are uncommon are telling the truth, that deranged fucker deserves to rot in hell and murders do happen daily but not anything like this. This is shockingly sad, especially that young girl. I can't imagine what the families are going through and no doubt tabloids are going to start hounding them for stories now.
DKehoe
Gold Member
Incels convince themselves that shit like the shape of their jaw means no women would ever consider fucking them. Really most of them are average enough looking guys who'd probably do fine if they put themselves out there more, maybe got some nicer clothes, new haircut, expanded the stuff they talk about by getting a new hobby or went to the gym. But for them, it seems like it's easier to blame stuff they can't control because that then means it's not really their fault that no one wants to fuck them. Also, once you get inside one of those communities you'll spiral down with people confirming your worst fears about yourself.
FunkMiller
Member
Very, very few. And licence regulations are very strict. This is a screw up in the system, not a problem with the system itself.
TastyPastry
Member
it definitely wasn't his looks that prevented him from getting a partner though. look at the article, he needed a haircut for sure but he was lifting weights and stuff... honestly he just looks like an average guy to me, there are millions of guys who look like him that are in relationships. those incel forums/subreddits poisoned his mind but there must be even more to it because even if you have crazy incel mindset what does a 3yo girl have to do with you being a virgin? i honestly can't even try to comprehend what has to go in your head to become like this.
FunkMiller
Member
It seems this pathetic cunt had his shotgun licence taken away last December following an assault allegation. It was then returned to him in July.
If there is any indication that the police knew of his mental state in this time, and still returned the lice and his gun, people need to lose their jobs.
If there is any indication that the police knew of his mental state in this time, and still returned the lice and his gun, people need to lose their jobs.
nush
Gold Member
This worked out for people with shit social skills, they need way more time to adapt to other people so arranged marriages without all the dating part are the only solution for them. In modern countries they will remain incels for life. Plus before cars and telephones people were restricted to find their partners in some finite area around them so almost all of them would eventually got their life partners if the split of sexes were ~50/50. And this was common in almost all counties ~120/150 years ago (still in India for example). Marriages based on love are relatively new and love can always go away at some point.
Now we have this:
There will be many frustrated males thanks to apps like this.
You can't argue with this peer reviewed Incel research.
SidViscous
Member
I don't get it, if you really have nothing to lose, then you have nothing to fear - so why the fuck would you opt to shotgun your street instead of, oh I don't know, getting a decent haircut, losing some weight and making a fucking effort to improve yourself. Hope he rots in hell for shooting the little girl.
Look at how they talk to each other. It's nihilism.
Another internet subculture figured out a solution for crippling self-image problems a long time ago:
FunkMiller
Member
You hit the nail on the head with the word ‘effort’.
These are lazy, entitled little shits, who have been brought up to think that everything should be handed to them on a plate… and when it isn’t they lack the self awareness or self worth to do something about it.
It becomes easier for them to hate others for their misery, rather than examine their own shortcomings and deal with them. The rage and frustration at their own inadequacy can reach such a point of deflection that they will actively kill other people to satiate it.
Armorian
Banned
You can't argue with this peer reviewed Incel research.
Oh, thank you
But i have a girlfriend and lost my virginity 13 years ago...You don't have to be incel to know that this "game" is fucked up right now thanks to social media.
Back on topic, this shit is fucked up, people with mental problems should be in mental hospitals before they are allowed to do shit like this.
nush
Gold Member
You're spreading BULLSHIT. What the fuck is that chart, who made it, how are "Attractiveness" and "Advantage" even scientifically measured? I don't care if you have a girlfriend, it's not that hard to get laid as long as your not a neckbeard shut-in with no social skills and realistic expectations. All that does is disprove your incel science chart.
Armorian
Banned
It's not my chart LOL.
Attraction Inequality and the Dating Economy
The future of Western civilization may need brave new institutions and brave new ways for men and women to fruitfully relate to each other.
quillette.com
nush
Gold Member
It's not my chart LOL.
Attraction Inequality and the Dating Economy
The future of Western civilization may need brave new institutions and brave new ways for men and women to fruitfully relate to each other.
No surprise it's from 2015 and that 80/20 split that guys hang onto as "Proof".
80% of guys fail because they have shit profile pictures.
MastaKiiLA
Member
Awful idea. Why make everyone suffer? Just legalize prostitution. Any incel that remains after that is poor or hideously disfigured.
FunkMiller
Member
Bingo. That’s the answer right there.
A regulated, safe, and monitored prostitution industry would solve a multitude of problems in one go.
Legalise prostitution and weed, and you instantly make the world a better place. No practical or decent reason to not do either.
Ionian
Member
It's not my chart LOL.
Attraction Inequality and the Dating Economy
The future of Western civilization may need brave new institutions and brave new ways for men and women to fruitfully relate to each other.
Holy shit at the article linked, its even worse and I burst up laughing after a brief skim (I'm not wasting my time with that type of rubbish).
For the sake of all that is holy I hope this is some low-level trolling.
Armorian
Banned
Whatever
V1LÆM
Gold Member
i just assumed this had happened in the USA but shit i'm shocked this happened in the UK. i wonder how he got hold of a gun... the laws are already incredibly strict. they'll probably crack down on it further now.
edit: ok i've read it. fuckin hell. i'm glad that piece of shit is gone but fuck him for taking those poor people (and kid) with him.
edit: ok i've read it. fuckin hell. i'm glad that piece of shit is gone but fuck him for taking those poor people (and kid) with him.
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nush
Gold Member
Peggies
Gold Member
Wait, there are places (in Europe) where prostitution isn't legal? That's weird. Why would it be illegal?
Anyway, unfortunately it doesn't solve the problem of sexually frustrated men projecting their self hatred on women.
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niveaformen
Banned
23 years old. How you can come to the conclusion that everything is fucked at that age is worrying.
Crime will continue to keep rising in the UK. The system is rigged against these youngsters unfortunately. Housing is unavoidable and the gap between rich and poor continue to rise. Then we will have people like this dude who will last out like an idiot and kill random civilians.
This worked out for people with shit social skills, they need way more time to adapt to other people so arranged marriages without all the dating part are the only solution for them. In modern countries they will remain incels for life. Plus before cars and telephones people were restricted to find their partners in some finite area around them so almost all of them would eventually got their life partners if the split of sexes were ~50/50. And this was common in almost all counties ~120/150 years ago (still in India for example). Marriages based on love are relatively new and love can always go away at some point.
Now we have this:
There will be many frustrated males thanks to apps like this.
Arrange marriages nowadays in the Muslim world in England in particular isn't exactly arranged as it use to be. It's more like you get hooked up with someone by the family. But they can still reject you after a meetup or you don't get any people interested in you with a arrange marriage based on your career, education and looks. I know plenty on Muslim men and women pushing mid to late 30s that are depressed and can't find a suitable partner as they can't get anything for them arranged as no one is interested in them or the offers they get they are not willing to downgrade and want someone better.
nush
Gold Member
Pedos and Child killers don't last a fraction of that inside.
darkangel-212559
Banned
This was a horrific, horrific crime and tragedy. I think that there is evidence now that incel culture can create terrorism and things need to be done to stop the online forums where this hate breeds.
I think that social media is a massive problem, and dating apps that give off a fiction of 'perfection' are increasingly becoming more dangerous. 99% of guys are ignored, even on Bumble where the girl accepts you first there is no guarantee of a reply.
Then even if there is 99% of chats never really go anywhere. The point I'm making is that the daily experience of these apps create in part incels.
If you don't treat Tinder etc as just a casual whatever happens, happens it can become very negative. It's just meant to be a bit of fun, no one takes it seriously.
These apps (not the people on them, I think that's a very important distinction to make here), actively promote and create incel culture and they need to be reigned in. How many more incel related killings need to happen before these steps are taken?
I think that social media is a massive problem, and dating apps that give off a fiction of 'perfection' are increasingly becoming more dangerous. 99% of guys are ignored, even on Bumble where the girl accepts you first there is no guarantee of a reply.
Then even if there is 99% of chats never really go anywhere. The point I'm making is that the daily experience of these apps create in part incels.
If you don't treat Tinder etc as just a casual whatever happens, happens it can become very negative. It's just meant to be a bit of fun, no one takes it seriously.
These apps (not the people on them, I think that's a very important distinction to make here), actively promote and create incel culture and they need to be reigned in. How many more incel related killings need to happen before these steps are taken?
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nush
Gold Member
This is true, they will self hate more at having to "Pay for it" when Chad gets it for free.
nush
Gold Member
darkangel-212559
Banned
Peggies
Gold Member
It's that bloody self righteousness that annoys me. People (doesn't matter if men or women) are obsessed with things they seem to think they "deserve". It's so much easier to blame the world or society or your mom instead of working on it. Stupid crybabies!
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Even if I agreed with you the answer is not to take freedom of choice when it comes to who you marry away from people. That's insane.This worked out for people with shit social skills, they need way more time to adapt to other people so arranged marriages without all the dating part are the only solution for them. In modern countries they will remain incels for life. Plus before cars and telephones people were restricted to find their partners in some finite area around them so almost all of them would eventually got their life partners if the split of sexes were ~50/50. And this was common in almost all counties ~120/150 years ago (still in India for example). Marriages based on love are relatively new and love can always go away at some point.
Now we have this:
There will be many frustrated males thanks to apps like this.
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RJMacready73
Banned
Hard to imagine out walking with your kid only to have it ended by a fucking loser who can't get a woman cause he wony admit to himself he's a fucking loser and do something about it, instead nah he finds refuge with all the other fucking losers living theirs secluded lives 24/7 on the internet blaming everyone else and living out fantasies like this very one until finally one cracks...
My kids have yet to hit the age where I'll allow them a mobile phone let alone access to social media but I hope to god there's a fucking backlash against it or a course correction of some kind cause from my eyes it is nothing but an absolute disaster for humanity, sure you can now share photos with fucking granny but it's also connected all the various fuckwits and loons and legitimised their lunacy and give th a voice whereas before the cunts simply kept themselves to themselves..
My kids have yet to hit the age where I'll allow them a mobile phone let alone access to social media but I hope to god there's a fucking backlash against it or a course correction of some kind cause from my eyes it is nothing but an absolute disaster for humanity, sure you can now share photos with fucking granny but it's also connected all the various fuckwits and loons and legitimised their lunacy and give th a voice whereas before the cunts simply kept themselves to themselves..
lachesis
Member
My parents married in arranged marriage, and just celebrated 51st anniversary.
Are they happy? They had their ups and downs, and at this point - I understand them more. They had their happy days, but they were not happy all the time either. At least, they stuck together & that's just life.
I married out of love, and it only lasted 15 years, and out of that 15 years, later 5 years were pretty hellish TBH. I can't control my past, or say that I didn't know any better... but even then, I don't think I would have acted anything different in given situations because I took the best course in life I could find at that point, unless I was able to look into my own future (which I couldnt).
Anyhow, he should have looked inward more, than bursting out his anger towards outside, committing such unforgivable crime of killing an innocent 3 year old.
You can't really find happiness from outside factor. Temporary validation, maybe - but not for the long term, IMHO.
He really should have gone his way, alone. Literally, and figuratively. At 23, that raging hormone and all, it's inevitable that some weak minded people can't control themselves.... and that's why I think discipline, or at least providing a path in life that's simple enough for anyone to follow (whether it's right or justified is another matter) is necessary to sustain a peaceful society filled with individuals who have varying degree of intelligence, personalities, and life experiences.
Some may call that as dangerous totalitarian control - but one has to realize that at the end of the other spectrum is total chaos. Human beings have to find some sort of middle ground, fully knowing that.... because I agree with Schopenhauer's line of thoughts, that I think ultimately human beings are being led by their blind will. But society has become pretty lax in that department these days in all front in this post modern atmosphere. Blame on some toxic internet community is easy, or even SNS or Internet in general (albeit how hard it would be to shut it down in reality) - but I think it really is like putting a band-aid on a bullet wound.
Are they happy? They had their ups and downs, and at this point - I understand them more. They had their happy days, but they were not happy all the time either. At least, they stuck together & that's just life.
I married out of love, and it only lasted 15 years, and out of that 15 years, later 5 years were pretty hellish TBH. I can't control my past, or say that I didn't know any better... but even then, I don't think I would have acted anything different in given situations because I took the best course in life I could find at that point, unless I was able to look into my own future (which I couldnt).
Anyhow, he should have looked inward more, than bursting out his anger towards outside, committing such unforgivable crime of killing an innocent 3 year old.
You can't really find happiness from outside factor. Temporary validation, maybe - but not for the long term, IMHO.
He really should have gone his way, alone. Literally, and figuratively. At 23, that raging hormone and all, it's inevitable that some weak minded people can't control themselves.... and that's why I think discipline, or at least providing a path in life that's simple enough for anyone to follow (whether it's right or justified is another matter) is necessary to sustain a peaceful society filled with individuals who have varying degree of intelligence, personalities, and life experiences.
Some may call that as dangerous totalitarian control - but one has to realize that at the end of the other spectrum is total chaos. Human beings have to find some sort of middle ground, fully knowing that.... because I agree with Schopenhauer's line of thoughts, that I think ultimately human beings are being led by their blind will. But society has become pretty lax in that department these days in all front in this post modern atmosphere. Blame on some toxic internet community is easy, or even SNS or Internet in general (albeit how hard it would be to shut it down in reality) - but I think it really is like putting a band-aid on a bullet wound.
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Relativ9
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A lot of people bringing up social media and dating apps here and...you are all absolutely 100% on point. Social media and dating apps have trivialized human connection, no longer can you have a clumbsy line or akward introduction, you'll be ignored forever and onto the next person. In the past social convention, politeness, and the hesitancy many have with confrontational situations would've prolonged social contact between two newly meeting individuals and allowed breathing room and a chance to redeem or atleast diminsh the effect of a bad first impression. But now? Men pass on girls they'd happily take home from the bar by swiping left (or right? the bad one anyway) because she's not as hot as the last one they saw which might be a fake account, heavily photoshop, or a girl so far out of their leage it might as well be. Meanwhile girls have been given access to the meat-market of high-perfoming "mansluts" that look great, have outgoing and charming personalities, and fuck 10-20 girls a month, never intending to settle down with any of them. So women who might have otherwise liked and enjoyed the man from my earlier example now have an inflated sense of "value" because of 2-3 of the "studs" they had taken home in the past they found on some hookup app. It's a self-perpetuating feedback loop designed to do one thing: keep you swiping and viewing those ads.
I have 4 married friends, and am recently married myself, none of us found our significant others through dating apps, all of it was through work collegues and mutual aquaintances with pre-existing or new friends, this is how real relationships not 100% based on first-impression physical attraction are made (though do please go to the gym and take care of yourself, physical attraction is definitly part of it). People don't go out and do shit anymore, when that guy from work asks you to come over for a BBQ, actually do it, it doesn't matter if you enjoy hanging out with him that much compared to relaxing at home with a video game, it's a social oppertunity and if you're lonely that's exactly the kind of thing you should jump on. The guy form work with the BBQ will probably have invited other people over, the other people might include someone you will hit it off with, perhaps even just as friends, but then those people will boraden your social circle with even more new people, and at some point, somewhere, if you keep purposfully putting yourself into social situations, you'll grow more comfortable, confident, and believe it or not charming (yes it's a practized skill), and at some point, someone will like you, just don't be too proud or picky to give them a chance if they're not a 10. I know most people here probably know all this, but it does seem like some people (not naming names) definitly haven't cought on.
TLDR: Dating apps suck, go put yourself in social situations with new people as much as possible for as long as it takes.
I have 4 married friends, and am recently married myself, none of us found our significant others through dating apps, all of it was through work collegues and mutual aquaintances with pre-existing or new friends, this is how real relationships not 100% based on first-impression physical attraction are made (though do please go to the gym and take care of yourself, physical attraction is definitly part of it). People don't go out and do shit anymore, when that guy from work asks you to come over for a BBQ, actually do it, it doesn't matter if you enjoy hanging out with him that much compared to relaxing at home with a video game, it's a social oppertunity and if you're lonely that's exactly the kind of thing you should jump on. The guy form work with the BBQ will probably have invited other people over, the other people might include someone you will hit it off with, perhaps even just as friends, but then those people will boraden your social circle with even more new people, and at some point, somewhere, if you keep purposfully putting yourself into social situations, you'll grow more comfortable, confident, and believe it or not charming (yes it's a practized skill), and at some point, someone will like you, just don't be too proud or picky to give them a chance if they're not a 10. I know most people here probably know all this, but it does seem like some people (not naming names) definitly haven't cought on.
TLDR: Dating apps suck, go put yourself in social situations with new people as much as possible for as long as it takes.
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Banjo64
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Give the peado protectors a click instead.Another source if you don't want to give the Daily Hiel a click.
Plymouth shooting: Gunman shot own mother then a dad and daughter
Jake Davison murdered his mother Maxine before shooting and killing a father and daughter.www.bbc.com
GHG
Member
Look at how they talk to each other. It's nihilism.
I'm dying. The "cares about you" bit slayed me. These guys live in dream land. Fucking someone and them not caring about you (or both of you not caring about one another) are not mutually exclusive.
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Cleared_Hot
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It's always an incel on meds, but the government will only blame the gun.
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Slicker than your average
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Wow what a take.
PleaseDontBanMe
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Jordan Peterson was right
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