2D Elitists Please Ether Buy a Handheld and shut the f*ck up or Screw Yourselves.

elostyle said:
Why are you bitching about people that express exactly the same then?
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Well, she's allowed to because she has special needs.
 
I think the early Zelda's are better because there is a sense of mystery and exploration to both your levels and abilities that just aren't apparent in the later games. I don't think it has anything to do with 2d vs. 3d. It's just better design. Just sayin.
 
I'm playing Minish Cap right now, then you start this thread. I guess I must be stupid, because this is one of the better games I've played in ages.
 
Geek said:
This thread is A+.

And who the FUCK doesn't like 3D Zelda. Its way better than 2D Zelda ever was.
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I agree. 3D Zelda is so much better than 2D Zelda.

Mario on the other hand, is completely worthless in 3D.
 
Ecrofirt said:
2D Zeldas have much richer and deeper gameplay.
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2D is a limiting factor of gameplay. There is nothing a 2D title can do that can't be replicated in 3D (from art style to gameplay), but of course there is plenty a 3D title can do that can't be done in 2D. Thats why 3D reigns supreme.

It seems most of the complaints center around art style or game design. Nothing to do with 2D/3D.
 
Striek said:
2D is a limiting factor of gameplay. There is nothing a 2D title can do that can't be replicated in 3D (from art style to gameplay), but of course there is plenty a 3D title can do that can't be done in 2D. Thats why 3D reigns supreme.

It seems most of the complaints center around art style or game design. Nothing to do with 2D/3D.
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Actually, the problem with plenty of 3d games is the appearance of freedom which is soon snapped away from you when arbitrary restrictions are put in place that don't make sense. It's jarring and usually unfound in 2D.

jj984jj said:
So how many accounts does Drinky have?
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Including you? Twelve.
 
"All 3d games are shit"
"Why won't the X360 and PS3 support true low res modes so i can have true pixel perfect <insert 2d fighting game from 14 years ago>? They are insulting the userbase"
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I love how Recap filled both of those.
 
This thread is hilarious.

What happens with games on DS where it's both 2D and 3D? Can you only like 1 screen?
 
metdroid said:
my vote goes for 2d zelda over 3d zelda
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See the smart vote is for "All of the above" since none of the CDI-excluded Zelda games are flat out unplayable. Of course opinions may filter you one way or another, but at least you could pick up any random Zelda game and have more fun than with Hello Kitty Bubblegum Girlfriends. Wait a minute, shit, Bubblegum?

speedpop said:
This thread is hilarious.

What happens with games on DS where it's both 2D and 3D? Can you only like 1 screen?
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Elf Bowling answers this question, I think.
 
I bought a GBA for 2D gaming but nobody is releasing anything on it anymore so fuck them. I suppose I'll have to go get a DS after Christmas.
 
I want a 2D Metroidvania game with sprites that rape GGXX's in resolution and silky smooth animation

PS3 and X360 to the rescue
 
Chalk me up to one who prefers 2/2.5D, but 3D done right can be a very good thing indeed (examples: Dragon Quest 8, Metal Gear Solid, 3D Zelda). It's just that IMO a lot of legacy series haven't translated well at all to 3D - don't care for the 3D Marios, Sonics, Street Fighter, nor Metroid Prime or 3D Vanias. Fighting the camera breaks my immersion in a BIG way. Some genres were made perfectly for 3D, but others are much better off 2D (platformers specifically).

One of my favorite things about 2D games are how they're really very pick-up-and-play. Ever since companies have tried making these huge 3D worlds, that means they stretch out the game length and add in make lots of needless wandering (I get lost fairly easily in 3D worlds without the aid of a map).
 
Fight for Freeform said:
I'd like to play 2D games that don't look like shit at high resolutions on my 120' projector...

WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?!
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Too picky.
 
3D visuals are fine, but when you have a camera to worry about, more often than not it's causing you to get hit by bullets, miss a jump, etc.

Even Mario 64 has these kinds of problems

I also don't think that the majority of gamers prefer 3D games. People seem to be yearning for more simplistic videogames in my opinion. Everyone still plays the old systems, going back to Pacman. Anyone can play pacman, tetris, you name it. 2D gaming seems to be just a bit more pure to me. It's more direct and to the point.

The way I see it is 2D puts the 'game' in videogame while 3D puts the 'video' in videogame. A perfect marriage of the two = bliss = Klonoa: Door to the Phantomile
 
The real problem is that no one (with a few rare expections) makes 2D games for the home console anymore. Those of us who prefer 2D wouldn't bitch so much if there were actually some non-handheld 2D games to play.
 
2d is dead for modern games (at least home console). I wish it wasn't. I wish someone would make high-res 2d games, with high-framerate, detailed character/etc animations. But no one is going to. So long live 2.5d games.
 
Striek said:
2D is a limiting factor of gameplay. There is nothing a 2D title can do that can't be replicated in 3D (from art style to gameplay), but of course there is plenty a 3D title can do that can't be done in 2D. Thats why 3D reigns supreme.
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This is true, until you factor in the camera. A perfect camera system is something standardized in a 2D game, that can't be done in 3D (a user-controlled camera is a distraction, a "smart" camera will never be perfect, a static camera inhibits play and is also imperfect).

There's room for both styles, but it seems like only Nintendo knows it. That's why I love DS, and that's why I don't want PSP to get greater than 50% handheld market share.
 
Himuro said:
I personally find 3d elitists more annoying than 2d elitists because they act like it's impossible for 2d games to have depth.
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They're right, 2d games can only have length and width.
 
RevenantKioku said:
See the smart vote is for "All of the above" since none of the CDI-excluded Zelda games are flat out unplayable. Of course opinions may filter you one way or another, but at least you could pick up any random Zelda game and have more fun than with Hello Kitty Bubblegum Girlfriends.
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This is true. I'll take zelda any which way really.
 
Lemurnator said:
Wah Wah. The "3D SUCKS 2D IS GOD THE GAME SUCKS IN 3D 2D FTW" is the most common and irritating post I see on these forums. Countless posts in countless threads are filled with bitching over how Zelda sucks since it's not 2D.

How's it feel to be a minority? Must feel pretty good since you so enjoy having such a "different" opinion from everyone else. Everyone else loves Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask but you couldn't get past the fact that they DESECRATED the franchise by turning it 3D. Wasn't this an issue that was layed to rest about 8 years ago when OoT was released? JESUS CHRIST GET OVER YOURSELF.

METROID PRIME SUCKS. GAME BETTER IN 2D. 2D GAMING IS HARCORE.

I apologize for the incoherant rambling but god damnit...

2D nerds are the worst kind of nerds.
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You're just as elitist as those 2D extremists. I think 2D or 3D is just "a style", a way of doing things. Some stuff cannot be made in 3D and feel like 2D and vice-versa.
Those two way of making games should co-exist and that's all.
 
Himuro said:
You're kidding me right? You obviously haven't played many 2d games if you think that's the case.

What people fail to realize is that 2d and 3d are more than just cosmetic. They're completely different gameplay styles. Only a few 2d games have been able to captivate a 3d experience and vice versa. They're both great, just for different things.

If you think the 3d Sonic's are better than the 2d Sonic's you're fucking retarded. If you think that 2d Sports games are better than 3d sports games, you're fucking retarded. Just a few examples. They both have their ups and downs and it pains me that average gamer is too stupid to realize this.
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it was a joke, is only has length and width because it's in a 2D plane.
 
Himuro said:
It was pretty easy to understand dude.

Depth in the gameplay...not movement wise you idiots.
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Originally Posted by genjiZERO:
it was a joke, is only has length and width because it's in a 2D plane.


They can still have depth despite that.
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You were replying directly to the fact that 2D games can only have length and width. GenjiZERO already said it was a joke.

I think you're the one not understanding...
 
shuri said:
How about.. PONG 3D?

edit: Legend of Zelda 2: Link's Adventure >>>>>> 3D Zeldas
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...I agree with you. :(

I don't want to come off as one of those guys clamoring for the past. I just enjoyed games more when I was younger, and those games I enjoyed when I was younger I still enjoy more than most of the new games today. There are some exceptions...but this isn't one of em.
 
I can understand general bitching when games' 3D successors haven't really been up to snuff with their respective 2D legacies. Sonic fans, Castlevania fans... those people have somewhat reasonable gripes. But Zelda and Metroid? Give me a fucking break. Both franchises have flourished in 3D along with their incredibly strong 2D showings on the GBA. Oh, it's only on a handheld? Boo-fucking-hoo. Suck it up, or buy a GBA Player. Or go buy Four Swords Adventures.
 
Ristamar said:
I can understand general bitching when games' 3D successors haven't really been up to snuff with their respective 2D legacies. Sonic fans, Castlevania fans... those people have somewhat reasonable gripes. But Zelda and Metroid? Give me a fucking break. Both franchises have flourished in 3D along with their incredibly strong 2D showings on the GBA. Oh, it's only on a handheld? Boo-fucking-hoo. Suck it up, or buy a GBA Player. Or go buy Four Swords Adventures.
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3D Zelda is great, but it's no match for LttP. That's how I feel. And I don't think it's nostalgia. When the Sonic Advance games were coming out, I kept saying they sucked, and their fans would say that it was all nostalgia. Well, Sonic Rush came out, and I love it just like I love the old ones. So I think I'm a person who can look beyond nostalgia.

Metroid, too, loses a lot in 3D. But with Nintendo whoring it out (the series has more than doubled in size in the span of 4 years) left and right, the 2D offerings are sub-par, too. I wouldn't call Oracle of Ages/Seasons, Minish Cap, or Fusion "strong showings."

There's definitely room to complain about Zelda and Metroid. OoT, MM, and MP are excellent games, but they don't necessarily hold on to what makes the old games so great. They are great in a different way, and people are allowed to pick which way they prefer.

All my opinion. I'm somewhat of a purist.
 
I'm probably classified as an eliteist 2D nerd. To me, it's not that sprites look better than polygons. It's that in 2D, gameplay is more of the focus than visuals, and thus is usually more fine-tuned. The key is gameplay > graphics.

One example is my Xbox 360. I started out playing Kameo and COD2 to completion, both games I enjoyed tremendously. I have NFS:MW and PGR3 partially completed, but I can't stop playing Geometry Wars, Outpost Kaloki X, and have Wik waiting in the wings.

Outpost Kaloki X is not 2D per se, but gameplay is the focus from the outset. The graphics for this game could have been done on PS One, but the gameplay is what compelled me to finish the adventure and war modes when I had prettier 'next-gen' games waiting to be played.

I haven't read this entire thread yet, as I find 2D vs 3D debates are pretty pointless and inflamatory. Deep down, we all know 2D > 3D for gameplay. Castlevania is the worst offender. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to play Final Fantasy IV on my DS. Life is good.
 
Why do some users let other people's love of 2D bother them so much? Lots of people enjoy 2D games because these are the kinds of games we grew up with for the better part of our lives. I like 3D just like the next person, but to dismiss 2D just because there's 3D is asinine (and vice versa, IMO).
 
Lemurnator said:
Didn't the Metroidvania creator recently say in an interview that he thinks a 2D Castlevania wouldn't be possible on PSP because Sony would never give it a green light?
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If sony doesn't greenlight it, then they might as well not greenlight ANY of the mega man games coming to the PSP, nor the PS2. Hypocrites.
 
I don't like 2D because its an obvious devolution in terms of science and realism. Next we'll get some 80 year old clamoring for 1D games, thats when pops gets dropped.

Text Based Games = 1D?!?!!??!!?

MothaFu(*& holy shit some things wheren't meant to be created in this world. Some things...just shouldn't have come to be...

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Is it just me or do the titles for every single lemurs thread read like

"GO FUCK YOURSELFS ASSHOLES *)*&"

or close to that?
I want to play 2D on the revolution. And I will! Anybody that disagrees with this is welcome to blow me*.

*except you lemurs, thats illegal.
 
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