37 Minute Direct Feed Cyberpunk 2077 footage from Switch 2
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Danjin44
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Baemono
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the 3DS was at around 65 million units sold when the Switch launched
Zathalus
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Number of issues then.
- He is using settings for 40fps on the deck up against the 30fps Switch 2.
- He is not even aware that the Steam Deck has a dock.
- Claims the Steam Deck uses regular laptop parts, not true.
- Claims the game only works on the Deck at the highest performance profile, which is not true
-Still completely missing the point about Steam Deck VS Switch 2 performance, you want to compare handheld vs handheld because that is the fair comparison. His justification of "highest performance for each device" is nonsense, the highest performance for the Switch 2 is not available in handheld mode.
But yet, it's what the steamdeck max can do. Same with switch 2. So it's still a fair compare. It's not like the steamdeck will run better docked.
I also don't think handheld would be to far off from the docked experience. Same like switch 1. But lets see.
Even so, at this point, we can call the switch 2 a series s lite.
Zathalus
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The Steam Deck won't run better docked, but the primary purpose of the device is to play on the go. It's about as silly as comparing the Switch 2 to the PS5 and claiming the hardware is terrible as it is so much weaker for the same price, while completely ignoring the fact that it can be used as a handheld.
No the primary purpose is both. It's not for nothing called a hybrid.
Zathalus
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I'm referring to the Steam Deck. It's primarily a handheld, the dock came out later and is not even bundled with it.
Yes, but it's not like tv output wasn't available at day one already.
It was also been sold for tv play as well. Both.
But it is what it is. It's a much weaker device. It's like how switch 1 was compared to steamdeck when it came out (which was already a generation in between in terms of release time).
Now its the reverse situation. I remember a lot of steamdeck users on the channel were trolling a lot about that. Now they are doing everything they can to defend this device.
We just need to be happy that switch 2 is the strongest handheld (like with switch 1) on the market. The only lower console main line units nintendo released is wii and wii u. People still seem to forget that.
Zathalus
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There is no issue comparing a Steam Deck with a Switch 2. Just compare like for like. Or probably just wait until a real comparison is out, using the exact same capture settings.
I agree, there is no issue with comparing the steam deck max power output with switch 2 max power output with including the same settings. Which there will be some video's soon. Can't wait.
Zathalus
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Read what you just said. "Max power output". It's ridiculous.
Mr Hyde
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ROG Ally X and MSI Claw AI 8+ are much stronger and more capable than Switch 2.
It's not. Using a lowest one is ridiculous. Steamdeck max power will result into a lower battery life which isn't an issue when playing on a tv. It's the one that should be compared.
On paper. Cyberpunk is already better as ROG Ally extreme. So.... And the pc version received all patches and let you use different settings anyway. Multiple games already show better performance already. Same with Wild Heart S it seems.
But lets see the final compare at launch. I mean, switch 2 is also going to get a huge patch on launch also related to dlss. I think it's already a done deal.
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Zathalus
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On the Steam Deck OLED having the highest TDP and playing the game at a solid 30fps gives you a two hour battery life, more or less what the Switch 2 will do.
Lets not forget i'm owning a steamdeck as well. Based on what i see, it runs miles better visually as my steamdeck. But i'll do another compare myself once i receive my switch 2 next week.
daclynk
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I want to see Xbox one X vs.
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Schmendrick
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The form factor/hardware is distinctively handheld though, so the term is kinda PR bullshit.
It really is just a handheld that you can hook up to your TV and power outlet with a higher power setting....like you can do with most other handhelds nowadays.
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daclynk
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here we go again
You just described what a hybrid is though.
LordOcidax
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It's no bullshit marketing stuff. The system is clearly build for being hybrid, not handheld only. There is a reason why the dock has an extra fan. Why the joycons are removable to allow tv play from distance. Also, the fact that nintendo stopped making dedicated handhelds or consoles (with the lite as an exception). They now develop hybrid systems. Saying it otherwise is bullshit.
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Schmendrick
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Claiming a device powered by mobile hardware with mobile hardware format and all the limitations that come with that is anything but a mobile device is idiotic, no matter the accessories.
There are docking stations with cooling capabilities for pc handhelds, too, that doesn`t change the fact that they are mobile devices.
Nintendo is highlighting a PR relevant use case, that however doesn´t change hardware facts.
I can hook up my Smartphone to a docking station and do PC-esque work with it, do I now have a Smartphone or does that possibility and the availability of supporting accessories somehow magically transform my smartphone hardware into something else?
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It's fine to name it a mobile hardware. But that doesn't mean less it's developed around to being a hybrid system. Saying it otherwise is and remains idiotic.
Joy cons are not accessories as it's a part of the hardware itself. It also include the dock and hdmi cable. Another proof it is a hybrid device focused thing.
But you are right, it's mobile hardware, so it can be compared with any other mobile hardware devices to give you an idea how powerful it is.
Schmendrick
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So you agree that it`s mobile hardware but somehow the accessories that support other use cases make that irrelevant? Would extra controllers and a cooling station for other PC handhelds turn them into hybrids, too if it was bundled?
Sorry but you are argumenting based on marketing, not hardware facts.
It´s a mobile device with different power modes like many other handhelds, everything else is marketing.
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There are no extra "accessories" The controller is the EXACT hybrid part of the system. There is a reason why you can take them off. It's not an accessories, it's a part of the whole system. You don't need to make it something different.
It's a mobile device in terms of hardware (like the nvidea shield) where the use of the system is meant for hybrid. Not mobile only. It's really dishonest from you to point it otherwise. Your statements doesn't even make sense at all.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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Schmendrick
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done, end of discussion. Mobile device.
Mozza
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That sounds like..... what's the name?. Oh yes a Hybrid console.
Schmendrick
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Mozza
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Please tell me what's your end game with all this?. Just curious.that would then make every modern handheld a hybrid console....
Mozza
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Even if true these devices are very niche and more like portable pc's.
Mr Hyde
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That doesn't make any difference. He said Switch 2 is the strongest handheld on the market and that's not true.
Mozza
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It's far to early to suggest anything. We need to see how the games run and get a proper teardown of the thing after launch.
Mr Hyde
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Mozza
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I am looking forward to the launch. It's been a long time since the original.Looking forward to it
Mr Hyde
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It's gonna be a blast. The Nintendo haters here are gonna get an aneurysm when Switch 2 explodes selling 20 million in its first year on the market
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Baemono
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The iMac and Mac mini are powered by a mobile chip, doesn't make it a laptop (or a tablet)
Minsc
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Now if he said it is the handheld with the best docked IQ on the market, it may still be accurate. DLSS is going to do some lifting, and even the Ally X and others sweat a little bit at 3840x2160 @ 60fps - you're more than likely dipping in to FSR at that point, or running non-native with lowers image quality.
Then again, some of these PC handhelds are 2x the cost, so you'd be a bit disappointed if they didn't have better IQ than Switch 2.
Baemono
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To not agree with people
Baemono
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Which handhelds offer two power modes and some games are only available in one mode and not the other ?
Mozza
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Schmendrick
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All recent handhelds offer at least 2 power modes and none, including the switch, have "mode exclusive" games.
Baemono
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thanks for confirming you don't know what you're talking about
Schmendrick
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Bullshit like everything else you've said
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Multiple games already confirm that. But hey, i'm fine waiting on even more games to double confirm that. We are still looking at launch games.