They are offering $100. for the original 3DS, $60. for the DSi XL, $50. for the DSi and $40. for the DS Lite towards the purchase of a 3DS XL.
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3DS XL First Impressions/Previews
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They are offering $100. for the original 3DS, $60. for the DSi XL, $50. for the DSi and $40. for the DS Lite towards the purchase of a 3DS XL.
Vyse The Legend
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That's worked out so well for Sony, financially. Oh, wait!
By the looks of things sony should've emulated the 3DS.
Stephen Colbert
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I don't know if you were trying to be sarcastic, but hardware wise, the Vita is an absolutely phenomenal handheld, light years ahead of the 3ds. It's on the software front that the vita is lacking.
If Gamescom is any indication, that may change soon. Fingers crossed.
Clamshell design is the superior handheld design.
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DyslexicAlucard
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They've been doing it since the original Gameboy, but I'm baffled that you consider it a "dumbass" decision. They've been immensely successful with their handhelds, consistently crushing more powerful hardware like the GameGear and PSP. And what devs are complaining about it? It's not like Nintendo has a monopoly on the market. If they want/need more powerful portable hardware, they're welcome to make a Vita game. I'd love to see any evidence to back up your claims, and not just one dude. You claim a lot of devs; this requires a lot of evidence to prove your point.
Also, glasses-free 3D was hardly the "same old tech" when it released, whether it's a gimmick or not.
Vita is a joy to use, but that's of limited utility if it's discontinued 18-24 months from launch.
Besides looking cheap as hell, they wont substitute proper clamshell design and weight distribution.
And the Vita's biggest problem is still that it IS basically PSP2.... but worse in the software front. Considering that the PSP left a sour taste in my mouth, the Vita is basically worthless to me.
Extra Sauce
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clamshell design > Sony's handhelds
Until they figure this out, they will always be number two.
Mudron
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This. I'd easily contemplate throwing the $200 I'm likely to spend tomorrow on a 3DS XL on a Vita instead if I didn't think there was a chance the Vita could be dead/discontinued/still ignored by Sony a year from now.
Say what you will about the 3DS, but at least Nintendo seems to be interested in making games for it AND marketing it to people.
It's not like he's wrong.
So, I think I'm definitely updating my 3DS to an XL tomorrow. After I transfer the system info/licenses could I just put my original card right into my new XL and be good to go? I know the XL comes with a larger card, but I'm not sure if I'm ever going to need that much space. I would just like to clear up this transfer stuff one last time before tomorrow. All downloadable e-shop games (including ambassador titles) are saved to the SD card, correct? But the license to use them is tied to the system? So, technically, after the transfer I can just put my original card in and everything will still be there, right?
Oh, and one last concern. I know I've asked this ages ago in this thread, but it's absolutely certain that log data, play coins, and all profile related things transfer? I just don't want to lose any important information or saved data during this process. Hah, I'm so completely paranoid about this kinda stuff.
Oh, and one last concern. I know I've asked this ages ago in this thread, but it's absolutely certain that log data, play coins, and all profile related things transfer? I just don't want to lose any important information or saved data during this process. Hah, I'm so completely paranoid about this kinda stuff.
There's enough software available on Vita that I want to play that I could justify buying one now, even if it's discontinued in a year. I plan on picking one up sometime in 2013, preferably early on. I really want to play Tearaway if it's good 
3DS XL takes priority though just because it's cheaper and I already have a software library built up for it, plus all the stuff I want coming out this year. I've never had a DSi XL either so I'll be experiencing DS games on a huge screens for the first time as well.
3DS XL takes priority though just because it's cheaper and I already have a software library built up for it, plus all the stuff I want coming out this year. I've never had a DSi XL either so I'll be experiencing DS games on a huge screens for the first time as well.
Yes. In fact, I believe that putting the SD card from the old system into the new system is the final step of the transfer process. And from then it works in the new system.
eighty(one)
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We aren't discussing hardware internals. Maybe that works for a Pre-launch (3DS 2011) thread, or a Pre-launch Vita (Dec 11-Feb 12) thread. This is about 3DS XL and what it offers/impressions.
Don't derail, please, with hypothetical conjecture of what isn't reality as of now. For the record, Nintendo handhelds have historically been great sellers, while also being technologically behind. 3DS is about GCN/Wii levels and that's that. Doesn't belong in this thread.
You should also add Resident Evil Revelations to your list. Amazing game, full console RE size/experience, butim your hand. It's crazy how worthwhile and "spared no expense", Capcom funneled into the game...
Sounds good. Thank you!
AndyMoogle
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You can easily copy all of the data from the old SD card to the new card. Copy and paste, and you're done. You still have to do the transfer obviously.
So basically this...
People with Nomads, Lynx's, NG pockets and GameGears felt the same
And this recipy has continuously brought you the best handhelds since the gameboy.
I guess its an environment that nintendo and third parties feel confortable enough to easily produce vast quantities of quality software at lower costs.... like the Gameboys.
Third parties are begging nintendo to make high end handhelds? I dont think so.
Japan certainly doesnt want this, and considering how Vita is currently the heaven for C teams to port or develop poor handheld versions of console IPs, maybe being cheaper/quicker to work with would help it out of the shithole its currently in.
nhlducks35
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Is this true for all Gamestops?
So if you want to use the new card (4gb) after the transfer, are you able to? I'll be needing that extra space at some point. I'm guessing I could re-download everything again, hopefully...as grueling as that sounds.
EDIT: nvm, Andy touched on this. Plug the cards into a computer and drag the files to the new card, apparently.
EDIT: nvm, Andy touched on this. Plug the cards into a computer and drag the files to the new card, apparently.
Banjotanooki
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Wait, so the $100 trade in offer will be in the form of credit and not actual cash? 
Wait, so the $100 trade in offer will be in the form of credit and not actual cash?
I'm guessing you may be able to do cash also but it would be a lower amount. I'm not positive, though.
You're applying the trade towards the new system, so yes, it's obviously store credit.Wait, so the $100 trade in offer will be in the form of credit and not actual cash?
AndyMoogle
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Yup, that's all you have to do. You can do it when the XL asks for the old card. Instead of using the old card, just put the old files on the new card and put that back in the XL.
Banjotanooki
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I meant as in AFTER doing the transfer.
Plan is to go and buy the XL at full price, head home and do the transfer, then return my old 3DS. Guessing I'll only be getting $100 in store credit, then?
So I received mine! PAL here, Silver+black.
I didn't plan to buy it this year at first, but I got 20 off in a flash online sale...
Will lift the cost by selling my OG 3DS and NSMB2 next month, I have a WiiU for me and a Wii for my nephew Christmas to buy.
The transfer took a while, something like 30-40 minutes. The actual transfering was done by [spoilers]pikmins, which I didn't know! Funny.[/spoilers]
Otherwise nothing to add at what has been already said, bigger, no scratch, slight yellow tint and more difficult to catch the sweetspot (or I hold my system too close to my eyes, or I need to catch the habit after one year and a half with the original model).
Finally, I had an extra Club Nintendo/Mario sock for DSiXL that perfectly hold my 3DSXL now.
Now I need a new Zelda game to feed this thing, or Majora's Mask 3D.
I didn't plan to buy it this year at first, but I got 20 off in a flash online sale...
Will lift the cost by selling my OG 3DS and NSMB2 next month, I have a WiiU for me and a Wii for my nephew Christmas to buy.
The transfer took a while, something like 30-40 minutes. The actual transfering was done by [spoilers]pikmins, which I didn't know! Funny.[/spoilers]
Otherwise nothing to add at what has been already said, bigger, no scratch, slight yellow tint and more difficult to catch the sweetspot (or I hold my system too close to my eyes, or I need to catch the habit after one year and a half with the original model).
Finally, I had an extra Club Nintendo/Mario sock for DSiXL that perfectly hold my 3DSXL now.
Now I need a new Zelda game to feed this thing, or Majora's Mask 3D.
If you buy the system for $200 cash and then perform the transfer, you can go back in and have them return the XL and re-ring it up while trading in your old one. They'll then give you back the $100 in cash because that was your original payment method.
whatsinaname
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I think I have decided to go with the red one. (My DSi XL is blue).
Not sure what I want to do with my original 3DS. Might give it to my nephew who just turned 4. Maybe buy him Nintendogs and Pilot Wings. I haven't had a chance to check, but are there parental controls for 3D settings?
No offense intended, but looking at your posts in the Ouya thread and here, you sound like a video game version of a 15 yr old Jeremy Clarkson shouting "More powaaaa!".
Have you thought about how staying a step behind in hardware and making profits on their hardware is the only way Nintendo can retain the ability to fund so many good first party studios that make the great games you want to play?
I would definitely like a 3DS to have twice the PPI and more graphical power and I would pay for it. I also realise the resultant cost would shrink the market considerably (e.g., 3DS @ initial price point and Vita+memory costs) which usually leads to not so great games.
Not sure what I want to do with my original 3DS. Might give it to my nephew who just turned 4. Maybe buy him Nintendogs and Pilot Wings. I haven't had a chance to check, but are there parental controls for 3D settings?
No offense intended, but looking at your posts in the Ouya thread and here, you sound like a video game version of a 15 yr old Jeremy Clarkson shouting "More powaaaa!".
Have you thought about how staying a step behind in hardware and making profits on their hardware is the only way Nintendo can retain the ability to fund so many good first party studios that make the great games you want to play?
I would definitely like a 3DS to have twice the PPI and more graphical power and I would pay for it. I also realise the resultant cost would shrink the market considerably (e.g., 3DS @ initial price point and Vita+memory costs) which usually leads to not so great games.
evilromero
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I would love a burgundy color.
Banjotanooki
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Awesome, thanks!
Kai Dracon
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The problem is that Nintendo makes mass market devices that are engineered to balance technology, manufacturing and supply costs, against what they think the average person actually might want to see in a device.
In the past, others saw the 'obvious' flaws in Nintendo's hardware, and simply tried to outmuscle them to create the 'superior platform'. Unfortunately they fell into a common trap: they priced themselves out of the market, created devices too expensive to manufacture, or with poorly thought out trade-offs such as poor battery life for better graphics.
A tech-enthused gamer may not really think about issues on the business side, or markets, etc. All that matters is the most tech crammed into the box. These arguments and attitudes are not new. I've been around for each generation of repeated history.
Gameboy? Atari Lynx would crush it! It has color graphics and is so much more powerful. Game gear will crush it! Better GFX. Gameboy Advance? Well, there was no serious competitor at the time, so all was quiet on the western front.
DS? PSP will crush it! Obviously; in spite of terrible trade-offs with battery life, loading times, clunky media, and development costs that were out of scale with handheld games at the time.
Nintendo is a mass market company. Every generation of gamers, a new group comes of age, focuses entirely on high end enthusiast technology, and asks "why is Nintendo so stupid. Everyone says they're so important to video games, but they make stupid things that aren't cutting edge."
In point of fact, Nintendo has 'cut corners' in some way in every previous generation of console and handheld hardware they've ever made. They generally also enjoy great mainstream success. The rail that they balance on is in trying to find a way to provide some appeal to the 'hardcore' or enthusiast gamer, but those folk may be apt to remain unhappy with Nintendo because Nintendo probably won't ever behave like enthusiasts expect a company to behave.
nhlducks35
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Did you ask the gamestop employees about this?
I dunno. Wouldn't hurt to call yours and see! But the manager told me that customers are allowed to bring their original 3DS to trade in within 7 days and get the credit back.
Silvawuff
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I think Nintendo keeps their hardware a generation behind specifically as part of their plan to keep their products cheaper and more accessible. Older technology costs them less to produce, so they can stay competitive in a different way.
I think Nintendo also has a different market of gamers, especially parents that are buying for their kids, and may be legacy gamers of Nintendo themselves.
Is the hardware old? Yes it is. Is the update welcome? This thread can attest to that. I think the 3DS will continue to gain momentum as more games are released for it. Just as the Vita will. I think stuff is kind of dead at the moment because we're between generations. This one may have lasted longer than others because of net-connected DLC functionality and conservative business practice from the big gaming companies.
Exciting stuff is ahead! We'll undoubtedly see more to come.
I think Nintendo also has a different market of gamers, especially parents that are buying for their kids, and may be legacy gamers of Nintendo themselves.
Is the hardware old? Yes it is. Is the update welcome? This thread can attest to that. I think the 3DS will continue to gain momentum as more games are released for it. Just as the Vita will. I think stuff is kind of dead at the moment because we're between generations. This one may have lasted longer than others because of net-connected DLC functionality and conservative business practice from the big gaming companies.
Exciting stuff is ahead! We'll undoubtedly see more to come.
I did. I believe this is the plan for all stores nationwide as instructed by corporate.
One last question, lol! It's in regards to playing original DS games on the 3DS XL. I tried looking up some YouTube videos, but I can't seem to find any that showcase my concern. I know you can play DS games stretched and in their original resolution, but are there still borders when it's stretched or is it entirely full screen? I still own my original DSi XL and I wouldn't part with it, ever. I prefer (almost need) to play portable games on a bigger screen.
I guess here's the question: Are the dimensions of the 3DS XL the same as the original DSi XL? Basically, is there even a difference anymore between playing DS games on an original XL as apposed to playing them on the 3DS XL? If there isn't a difference I may be more willing to part with my original XL for some extra cash.
I guess here's the question: Are the dimensions of the 3DS XL the same as the original DSi XL? Basically, is there even a difference anymore between playing DS games on an original XL as apposed to playing them on the 3DS XL? If there isn't a difference I may be more willing to part with my original XL for some extra cash.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
In point of fact, Nintendo's philosophy is codified and at the heart of how they approach design and use of technology. It was formalized in part by Gunpei Yokoi. His specific belief was in seeing how existing, well understood, vetted technology could be used in efficient ways. Or used creatively. Before investing in development experimental technology with an uncertain future.
The thing is, this is not 'sexy'. It is, however, interesting.
Which seems to be what Nintendo predicates themselves on... not being sexy, but being interesting. It's not that this is a foolproof strategy, and always works out. For instance, Nintendo stuck with cartridges when everyone else moved to optical media in the N64 era. Yet, one reason why they stuck with cartridges was from an engineering standpoint, many at Nintendo were unhappy with slow loading speeds and data seek times from early CD-ROM drives, and the restrictions that would place on designing games. Especially in a decade when system ram was still so expensive.
Funny enough, people who focus only on "does it have the newest GPU?" tend to ignore other areas in which Nintendo tends to have high standards. Example: even after the N64, they focused on trying to make optical media loading as fast as possible for the Gamecube, and still focused on fast loading for the Wii, to create seamless experiences.
Nintendo is also one of the few major developers in the world who understands why a locked 60fps is important to play and presentation of many kinds of games. If at all possible, they insure games run at 60fps. The only times they don't is when it's technically unfeasible, or the gameplay and presentation isn't overly damaged by running at 30fps. But they think about this. They don't assume the end user is an idiot who can't tell the difference.
People were very unhappy with the 3DS at launch because certain elements of its design seemed to violate Nintendo's usual requirements. Its build quality was a bit lower than usual. (First generation DS was an indestructible brick.) It had poorer battery life than Nintendo would normally ever allow.
After all the sniping and griping is done with, that is why there's a lot of excitement over the XL. It seems to be what we would expect out of a Nintendo handheld. (It's possible that before the launch of the 3DS, the DSi XL accidentally created a new standard Nintendo themselves failed to live up to with the launch 3DS. I know many people considered the DSi XL the best handheld ever.)
Baconsammy
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The dimensions of the top screen are different. On the DS the top and bottom screens are the same size. Not so with the 3DS. Therefore DS games on the 3DS will fit the entire bottom screen, but not fill the entire top screen, which you wouldnt want anyway since it would deform the image.
sensui-tomo
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i think most people who have a vita probably have a 3ds too(or at least thats my case) trying to figure out more about that $100 deal GS is doing... doesnt seem like they would give you Cash back and not just store credit(if it is store credit i'll probably just buy a 3DS cash card and a psn card so i can get nsmb2 digitally and WOTS4 on the psn
)Ah, right. Don't know why I didn't think of that, hah! Thanks for the clarification.
I don't think that's the case at all, I love my Vita and vastly prefer it to the 3DS but I am wishing Sony would drop the Vita price because I want to see it do really well, I also want to see the 3DS do well but I think some of the design decisions Nintendo has made with the 3DS in general are terrible. The screen scratches, the battery life, the 3D in general and I think they deserve to be criticized for decisions made just as much as Sony does.
That being said I am picking up a 3DSXL tomorrow and I am looking forward to it.
Thats why I've always loved Nintendo handhelds: they produce retro games. We got SNES-like games from the GBA during the 3D generation. Now we are getting Gamecube-like games from the 3DS. As a fan of retro games, this is why I love Nintendo handhelds.
Stormwatch
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EDIT: Man, I was way late on the whole American charging cradle thing. Those prices sure are high, though!
For $19. :/
Grossly overpriced, but whatever. I don't really need a cradle that much...
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