Yeah this should just be the new “quality” mode to all PS5 games. Surprised papa Sony isn’t making it a push for the game side so the TV side can sell more 120hz sets.
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40 FPS modes coming to Spider-man and Miles Morales on PS5
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JimboJones
Member
Nope, won't look weird at all.
remember_spinal
Banned
Damn, that was quick
Doctor Hades
Member
So there's no need to use Performance RT mode on 120 Hz TVs anymore; just switch to Fidelity with 120 Hz set to Auto for the 40 FPS mode?
ChiefDada
Gold Member
I think the base resolutions for fidelity and performance will remain locked more or less under VRR, framerate will adjust based on gameplay activity if I understand correctly. So performance mode will still yield higher fps.
kyliethicc
Member
Not really. If you are not using VRR - 60 Hz is still better than 40 Hz for most people. Fidelity vs Perf RT modes still differ in obvious ways. If you are using VRR - yes the fidelity mode is uncapped. But idk what it averages. Probably still around 45 FPS. So the Perf RT mode is still better if you want high frame rate.
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Anchovie123
Member
Does VRR unlock FPS on the 60fps modes too or only the 40fps mode? It will be interesting to see the overhead the game has for each mode. DF video going to be very interesting.
Insomniac are 100% the goats.
Insomniac are 100% the goats.
YOU SUCKAS AT NAUGHTY DOG THOUGHT YOU HEARD THE LAST OF US!!??
WELL YOU'RE WRONG AGAIN, WE AT INSOMNIAC ARE WORKING ON THREE MAJOR GAMES
AND JUST FOR THE HECK OF IT WE PATCHED IN 40FPS FIDELTY MODES ON ALL OUR PS5 GAMES
AND WE DID THIS DURING A LUNCH BREAK! YOU'RE NOT THE TOP DOG ANYMORE!
NOW GO FETCH ME A BONE, CAUSE BONESAW IS READY!
ChorizoPicozo
Member
I guess they saw the DF video.
Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
What if 40fps feels like 60fps?
There is no need to hypothesise, it clearly does not.
Larxia
Member
Honestly I never really understood that, I mean I get it on paper, in theory, but in reality to me the higher is always better. Like for example 40 fps on a 60hz screen will feel much better than 30 fps, despite 30 fps being half refresh.
8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
So Insomniac is lying? The whole concept of VRR is a hoax?
Captain Toad
Banned
All developers can't be Insomniac
Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
Are you being purposely dense?
This has nothing to do with Insomniac. You asked a stupid question that is easily proven false. 40fps does not feel like 60fps.
yurinka
Member
8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
"Up to 50% higher framerate with VRR and 120hz"
That's literally what Insomniac writes in their patch notes..
rickybooby87
Member
I really wish GG would take a page from Insomniac, HFW could really use a 40FPS mode.
No one can hold Insomniac's donkey rope at this point, no one.
No one can hold Insomniac's donkey rope at this point, no one.
Topher
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Maybe not to you or me, but I've read plenty of posts from people who say 30fps is great once "you get used to it". Now that doesn't work for me. I can't not see 30fps when playing a game, but that does not mean others are different. Factually, I cannot see what others see so what you and I think is "clear" isn't always the case. I guess next time I have the opportunity to try one of these 40fps modes then I'll know what it does for me.
kyliethicc
Member
60 Hz TV refreshes the panel every 16.66 ms.
Game can refresh the frame every 33.33 or 16.66 ms.
Anything else is a judder-y mess.
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Mr Moose
Member
Isn't 50% higher 45?
Oh it's not capped at 40 when you have VRR enabled on a 120Hz screen? The 40fps mode turns into 40+?
That could be up to 50% higher in the 40fps mode, maybe, which is up to 60fps
8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
They actually state 50% or moreIsn't 50% higher 45?
Oh it's not capped at 40 when you have VRR enabled on a 120Hz screen? The 40fps mode turns into 40+?
"However, if your TV also supports 120 Hz high frame rate input and the 120 Hz Display Mode option is active along with VRR, you will get a variable, uncapped frame rate that can exceed your chosen Graphics Mode’s 30 or 60 fps target by 50% or more (depending on gameplay)."
Bo_Hazem
Banned
It really does feel like the best.
8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
Haven't tried it yet, but if true - it's megaton for games going forward!
Mr Moose
Member
Ooh I see, it's including the 60fps mode? Nice. All I need is a 2.1 TV that doesn't cost me £1000+They actually state 50% or more
"However, if your TV also supports 120 Hz high frame rate input and the 120 Hz Display Mode option is active along with VRR, you will get a variable, uncapped frame rate that can exceed your chosen Graphics Mode’s 30 or 60 fps target by 50% or more (depending on gameplay)."
My 165Hz monitor is only 2.0/FreeSync.
8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
No it can exceed the 30 and 60fps modes.Ooh I see, it's including the 60fps mode? Nice. All I need is a 2.1 TV that doesn't cost me £1000+
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Neither did I, but just watch the videos on youtube, feels good.
kyliethicc
Member
Ooh I see, it's including the 60fps mode? Nice. All I need is a 2.1 TV that doesn't cost me £1000+
All 3 modes become uncapped when set to output at 4K 120 Hz with VRR enabled.
Fidelity, Performance, and Performance RT can all run uncapped.
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Mr Moose
Member
I'm looking forward to the tests done on them.
That's what you linked said, right? 120Hz (with VRR) in 30 and 60 also?
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Because it isn't 60? Seems like a reasonable argument.
8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
So 30fps will be "~45fps", 40fps will be "~60fps" and 60fps will be "~90fps"..?
kyliethicc
Member
Nah the 3 modes are Fidelity, Performance, and Performance RT. Each can be uncapped.So 30fps will be "~45fps", 40fps will be "~60fps" and 60fps will be "~90fps"..?
Fidelity mode will at times run above 40 Hz.
Performance mode will at times run above 60 Hz.
Performance RT mode will at times run above 60 Hz.
Obviously the theoretical max is 120 Hz.
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8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
I don't understand why they wrote "50% or more" if it's only "at times" above 60fps.
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Mr Moose
Member
Game Mode Performance Target Display Mode End-To-End Input Lag
Fidelity Mode 30fps/33.3ms 60Hz 117.5ms
Fidelity Mode 40fps/25ms 120Hz 80.8ms
Performance RT Mode 60fps/16.7ms 60Hz 75ms
Performance RT Mode 60fps/16.7ms 120Hz 60.8ms
It's pretty good for input lag though.
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kyliethicc
Member
Cause it’s not going to always run at a given frame rate. It’s variable.
50% or more means they have found that:
the fidelity mode is running between around 30-45 FPS
and
the performance modes are running between around 60-90 FPS.
But it will vary scene by scene. Could go even higher, or will be a bit lower, at times.
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DJ12
Member
OMG I think I just came. Might be the motivation to get both to 100%For Marvel’s Spider-man Remastered and Marvel’s Spider-man: Miles Morales.
New 40 FPS fidelity mode via 120 Hz output, and other small improvements.
Basically they added the mode they did for Ratchet.
Also added option to unlock the frame rate when using 120 Hz and VRR.
Also vrr allowing higher average resolution. I demand all head to heads are redone the second vrr is enabled rofl.
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8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
Sounds like it's always 50% or more.. That's what they wrote.
kyliethicc
Member
“can exceed your chosen Graphics Mode’s 30 or 60 fps target by 50% or more (depending on gameplay).”
I don’t see the word always. It’s variable lol.
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8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
"50% or more (depending on gameplay).”
The "more" is depending on gameplay?
Mr Moose
Member
I read it as can != will. It runs pretty solid so shouldn't have many drops below the target but should exceed it in a lot of areas.
MasterCornholio
Member
RT seemed fine in Ratchet. I guess it depends on how it gets implemented.
8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
Can't wait to try it out. Different screens will have different "outcomes" tho'. Hope my Eve Spectrum do VRR great.
MasterCornholio
Member
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
But I was told 30 fps was buttery smooth.
It makes sense since it goes with 120,but 40 fps just seems like a odd number.
But anything higher than 30 fps is a winner in my book. That ancient number needs to perish already
DJ12
Member
Make sure to trick your brain first by playing in 30fps mode then switch to 40fps.
The extra smoothness for those 10 extra frames, plus a does of placebo will see you ditch 60fps and reduced fidelity pretty quickly.
40fps is the only way to play Ratchet and clank for me, best of both worlds.
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Mr Moose
Member
Some 60fps games feel like ass to play for me, but I haven't really seen anyone else complain about it (Resident Evil Village felt horrible to me, might be input lag? Unless its meant to feel like that to play).
I personally don't mind 30fps games, I played Valhalla and some others at 30, including Spider-Man.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
edit: double post.
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