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400 people held hostage by Suicide Bombers/Rebels. in Russia
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tracky_dacks
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Dekajelly said:
Yeah just heard about that on the news. Wasn't really paying attention to the telly but I heard something along the lines of "about 100 charred (burnt) bodies" being reported.
Man, that's fucked up. =(
Chibbi Brady
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The 100 bodies in the gym comes for a camerman from ITV. He ran into the gym and estimated that there were about 100 dead bodies in there, he was thrown out very quickly so it's just based of a very quick look.
Awful bloody scenes though. The world really is a shitty place. Looking at the pictures of the families and personel outside as the first shots were fired was very eerie. Complete silence apart from the gunshots and explosions. The look on some of the families faces sent chills down my spine, just imagine what must have been going through their minds.
Awful bloody scenes though. The world really is a shitty place. Looking at the pictures of the families and personel outside as the first shots were fired was very eerie. Complete silence apart from the gunshots and explosions. The look on some of the families faces sent chills down my spine, just imagine what must have been going through their minds.
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13211973,00.html
The three-day school siege in Russia is coming to a dramatic and bloody end with reports of a large number dead.
There are understood to be about 100 bodies in the school gym where gunmen were holding up to 1,500 children, teachers and parents.
Gunfire is continuing as Russian special forces face pockets of resistance.
The soldiers stormed the building after the gunmen opened fire on a group of children who were trying to escape.
As the school turned into a battleground, other children began to stream out. Then, it seems, the roof which had been mined by the rebels exploded and crashed to the ground.
Other hostages were pulled free and collapsed outside, exhausted, shocked and disorientated.
The three-day school siege in Russia is coming to a dramatic and bloody end with reports of a large number dead.
There are understood to be about 100 bodies in the school gym where gunmen were holding up to 1,500 children, teachers and parents.
Gunfire is continuing as Russian special forces face pockets of resistance.
The soldiers stormed the building after the gunmen opened fire on a group of children who were trying to escape.
As the school turned into a battleground, other children began to stream out. Then, it seems, the roof which had been mined by the rebels exploded and crashed to the ground.
Other hostages were pulled free and collapsed outside, exhausted, shocked and disorientated.
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Deleted member 1159
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When will people learn not to take Russians hostage? They don't give in to jack shit, and almost always end up fucking the hostage takers up the ass, even if it costs the lives of the hostages.
Geez. Way to sway world opinion in your favor, Chechnya
Geez. Way to sway world opinion in your favor, Chechnya
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Thaedolus said:
I don't think they give a damn about world opinion.
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Well, world favor could sway Russia's actions in dealing with Chechnya for their benefit. But with this kind of bullshit they'll get nothing of the sort.
SlickWilly223
Time ta STEP IT UP
Hotdamn, this is insanity.
Tommie Hu$tle
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RiZ III said:
That's good because only a few of them were Arabs the others were Islamic but, they are pretty much cacucasian. The Chechnens are pretty much looking for anyone who will support their cause. The don't really care if it is deviants, Islamic fundalmentalist, organized crime, local thug, or the females of men who have been lost in the war.
UltimateMarioMan
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One thing about the Russians they show the terrorists not to mess with them.
Slick_Advanced said:
True true. And that shows how desperate and blind they are. Look at Afghanistan and how they let fundamentalists help them. Same fundamentalists later on raped them after the war with Soviet. The fundamentalists fighting the russians have a higher agenda than fighting the holy war against Russia. Hopefully the more moderate chechens will have a chance stopping these radical terrorists groups, I doubt the russians can do anything to stop them. It must be stopped from the inside of Chechnya.
UltimateMarioMan said:
Also true. But the russians also show that they want to eliminate the terrorists at all cost including killing all hostages if they have to.
Tommie Hu$tle
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Shompola said:
Agreed
Won't happen what the incentive for anyone to do anything?
If Russia is smart they would plaster scenes of these dead and injured children all over the news and run a sympthay campaign.
considering Putin is ex KGB, this is not a surprise, you first started hearing stories about the way Russia deals with terrorists when some diplomats were kidnapped in Beruit, Russia kidnapped the relatives of hezbollah leaders and threatened to send them back in pieces unless the diplomats were released. The diplomats were released the next day.
How terrible. And while the Russians are sure cold as can be about that shit this sounds like it wasn't a planned assault - intial reports say that an explosion went off in the school while troops outside where clearing away bodies as agreed in a ceasefire with the militants, at which point hostages started running and all hell broke lose forcing the Russians to assault the school.
But it doesn't sound like the hostages were ever going to be freed - kept without food and water since the beginning makes it sound like the hostage takers weren't really planning to let them go regardless.
But it doesn't sound like the hostages were ever going to be freed - kept without food and water since the beginning makes it sound like the hostage takers weren't really planning to let them go regardless.
Tommie Hu$tle
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CNN said:
Interesting.
Chrono said:
there was complete chaos as our journalist reported. Angry parents grabbed guns / assault rifles / pistols and joined special forces.
There will be more than 300 dead people. If more than 25% of hostages does not survive, then the rescue mission is disaster. 0-24 % hostages dead = mission successful, more than 25% = disaster.
Tommie Hu$tle
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Chrono said:
If someone had your wife and kid held up in a building would you go get your gun? Not smart or rational figuring the SF could have started firing on them thinking they were sleepers. But, in extreme duress I could see this happening.
Catchpenny
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What a botched operation this was. Didn't they establish any sort of perimeter around the school? I don't get how some of the hostage takers could be escaping, citizens getting involved in the shooting, etc. Makes Waco look smooth by comparison.
Tommie Hu$tle
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Catchpenny said:
I don't see this as a botched operation. This was a zero sum operation. From the reports coming from the hostages the terrorists had no intent of being concerend for the well being of their captives. People were drinking their own unire for Christ's sake. They were going to kill all the people in there regardless. Again the hostage takers werent wearing turbans and Cobra uniforms. You have explosions going on you have people scattering all around the school yard. Not all of the terrorists are sucidial fanatics some of them had a job to do and once the situation went fubar they tried to blend in and escape with the paniced, naked, and fleeing hostages.
Tommie Hu$tle
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Deg said:
Oh from a human standpoint of course I do. From a military standpoint I have a different opinion. They were in negoations, a terrorist popped herself, panic ensued more explosions, SF reacted. This was a rather large group of hostages to have it would be almost impossible to predict how to handle the reactions of that many hostages especially when you are dealing with some many children. The terrorists when in shooting so I didn't see a "good" resolution for this.
Tommie Hu$tle
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Yes the whole situation is a mess.
Baron Aloha
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MSNBC is reporting at least 200 dead. Over 500 seriously injured. Of those 500, nearly 100 are children in critical condition. Damn shame.
Alcibiades
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some of the terrorists were from various Muslim countries and not even from Chechnya.
Bush-Blair-Putin should form this triumvarte or whatever against terrorism to kinda make it an international thing and not just a US thing. Heck, even France found themselves in a bad situation after their journalists were kidnapped. A strong alliance with Russia would be a great way to find leverage against Iran (who they are kinda helping). This kind of alliance was suggested by Dick Morris (political advisor credited for Bill Clinton's re-election in '96)
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http://www.cdi.org/russia/253-11.cfm
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0403/morris042503.asp
Bush-Blair-Putin should form this triumvarte or whatever against terrorism to kinda make it an international thing and not just a US thing. Heck, even France found themselves in a bad situation after their journalists were kidnapped. A strong alliance with Russia would be a great way to find leverage against Iran (who they are kinda helping). This kind of alliance was suggested by Dick Morris (political advisor credited for Bill Clinton's re-election in '96)
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http://www.cdi.org/russia/253-11.cfm
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0403/morris042503.asp
But the thing is the US shouldn't ally itself with a country that has commited many atrocities against the Chechens. I am appalled that you would say something like that.
What happened just now is not good, obviously, but it's something that Russia has been doing to Chechnya for years now. This time the Chechens did it back to Russia.
Obviously, it's not a smart thing to do. When hundreds of Chechens die, no one cares. But when hundreds of Russians die, the Russians know how to make a big deal out of it.
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