7.0 earthquake hits Haiti, death toll may reach 200,000

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YoungHav said:
:lol am I really reading people suggesting the Haitian Revolution should've been peaceful? lol. Some people don't know what slavery and oppression mean....
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ffs, I said more peacefull, that doesn't mean compleatly peacefull
 
jamesinclair said:
NYT tool for before and after imagery

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/01/14/world/20100114-haiti-imagery.html


Drag the line across to see a before and after.

Note: You can set up the dates to be September 2008, janaury 13, 2010 and January 16 2010.

So for example, in the first image, you can see an empty field, then on the 13th people setting up camp and on the 16th it's crowded.
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Looking at the airport you can see a HUGE difference of help between Jan 13th and Jan 16th.

There's plenty of more planes there on the 16th.
 
Enosh said:
ffs, I said more peacefull, that doesn't mean compleatly peacefull
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More peaceful? F**k all that! If a society systematicaly rapes, brutalizes, dehumanizes, etc etc... a group of people they should expect hellfire and brimstone response! The French colonists of that time period got off lucky IMO. If someone enslaved me, beat me like an animal, raped my wife and sisters, and sold my children (which btw was very common and acceptable back in those days) I would be damn near homicidal. It's all very nice to expect people to behave angelic even under the most demonic of circumstances but that's just not being realistic. Live by the whip? Don't be shocked if you have it wrapped around your neck and choked by it!
 
Pimpwerx said:
I used to think it was dumb, but then I noticed the wide range of quakes that get reported on tv, and I figured it must be the way it is for a good reason. Earthquakes have a tremendous range in severity. Scary to think what an 8.0 or 9.0 quake would be like. PEACE.
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You don't have to think about what such an earthquake would be like. The December 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake was around a 9.3:

With a magnitude of between 9.1 and 9.3, it is the second largest earthquake ever recorded on a seismograph. This earthquake had the longest duration of faulting ever observed, between 8.3 and 10 minutes. It caused the entire planet to vibrate as much as 1 cm (0.4 inches) and triggered other earthquakes as far away as Alaska.
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This animation of the resulting tsunami, which killed people as far away as Africa, is pretty interesting:
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Compare the 9.3 quake (Sumatra, top left) to the 1906 San Francisco quake, which at 7.9 was 9 times as powerful as the Haiti quake:
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Sad to see those classic old churches suffer so much.

If those churches survived, you know there would be people saying god saved them . . . when they drop, no one says anything.
 
So Haiti may be getting their own "We Are The World"

AP said:
LONDON – TV mogul Simon Cowell said Thursday he would produce a charity single within 10 days to benefit victims of the massive earthquake in Haiti.

The "American Idol" and "The X-Factor" judge said he was asked by Prime Minister Gordon Brown to help with the relief effort.

Performers have yet to be chosen, but may include British singers Susan Boyle, Leona Lewis and Cheryl Cole, Cowell said.

"I don't know who's available, but I will get a record out within seven to 10 days," he said, adding that the goal was to raise as much money as possible in a short period of time. The government may forgo tax revenues on the single so that more money can be sent to Haiti.

The British government and many private agencies were sending large aid shipments to the stricken Caribbean nation.
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Cimarron said:
More peaceful? F**k all that! If a society systematicaly rapes, brutalizes, dehumanizes, etc etc... a group of people they should expect hellfire and brimstone response! The French colonists of that time period got off lucky IMO. If someone enslaved me, beat me like an animal, raped my wife and sisters, and sold my children (which btw was very common and acceptable back in those days) I would be damn near homicidal. It's all very nice to expect people to behave angelic even under the most demonic of circumstances but that's just not being realistic. Live by the whip? Don't be shocked if you have it wrapped around your neck and choked by it!
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Amen. People need to stop overlooking the gravity of slavery and think before they post. Glad the Haitians revolted and I'd go back and piss on the french gravesites if that were possible. The revolution eventually got the ball rolling for black freedom elsewhere.

Enosh said:
ffs, I said more peacefull, that doesn't mean compleatly peacefull
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Really unrealistic man. What were they supposed to do, just wait around another generation or two until the French became human? As someone pointed out before Toussaint L'ouverture really thought he was dealing with human beings when he tried peace and got kidnapped, imprisoned, and starved to death in a French prison.
 
Cimarron said:
More peaceful? F**k all that! If a society systematicaly rapes, brutalizes, dehumanizes, etc etc... a group of people they should expect hellfire and brimstone response! The French colonists of that time period got off lucky IMO. If someone enslaved me, beat me like an animal, raped my wife and sisters, and sold my children (which btw was very common and acceptable back in those days) I would be damn near homicidal. It's all very nice to expect people to behave angelic even under the most demonic of circumstances but that's just not being realistic. Live by the whip? Don't be shocked if you have it wrapped around your neck and choked by it!
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and that kind of thinking came around and bit them in the ass when they realised that they killed everyone that had half an idea how to run a country, hospital or school

revenge is a realy short term gain, when you go to do a revolution you better make sure as hell you have the system in place that the country can continue it's normal operations, that means someone to take care of the sick, someone that can read and write, someone that knows how to farm on a massive scale to feed the country etc etc

those are all skills that the slaves due to the nature of the slavery system didn't have, without them you can't run a country and your people starve, again you need to look at what you get by killing everyone (short term satisfaction) vs what you gain by not killing everyone (possible support from France, possible staying of crucial personel)
 
Can we leave the unrelated pointless history debate out of this thread? We already have a thread for that in this same forum, lets keep this topic on the actual earthquake.
 
Enosh said:
and that kind of thinking came around and bit them in the ass when they realised that they killed everyone that had half an idea how to run a country, hospital or school

revenge is a realy short term gain, when you go to do a revolution you better make sure as hell you have the system in place that the country can continue it's normal operations, that means someone to take care of the sick, someone that can read and write, someone that knows how to farm on a massive scale to feed the country etc etc

those are all skills that the slaves due to the nature of the slavery system didn't have, without them you can't run a country and your people starve, again you need to look at what you get by killing everyone (short term satisfaction) vs what you gain by not killing everyone (possible support from France, possible staying of crucial personel)
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So slaves were supposed to just wait around for the good Frenchmen to grant them their freedom? You're looking at this pompously and with 20/20 hindsight. By the time the Haitians revolted in 1804, slavery had been in Haiti for almost 300yrs. Tell me where the light at the end of the tunnel or the glimmer of hope was for the 1st generation African slaves brought there in the 16th century? Or the generation after that? or the generation after that? or the generation after that? or the generation after that? You get the point. So were they supposed to just wait for the French to change their mind on slavery or what? The revolters did what any rational enslaved human beings would have done. They found their opportunity and seized it. This is not 2nd class citizens vs the elite, men's rights vs female rights in the sexist 1800s, rich vs poor, we are talking about SLAVES and MASTERS. The former situations might have some modicum of dignity or human rights protections for the oppressed (ex: before the revolutionary war, the British did not treat American colonists anywhere near as bad as master-slave. There were still some dignity and legal protections in being a colonist even though the British ran America). When it comes to the slave trade it is about survival and self-determination as people (who were treated as worthless and subhuman). The slaves were not recognized as human beings and had no safeguards in the legal system. They absolutely did the right thing in revolting.
 
Pretty nice, there was a telethon-thing on Dutch tv tonight...

They raised 42.1 mio euro for Haiti. And it is going to be doubled by the Dutch government.
 
YoungHav said:
So slaves were supposed to just wait around for the good Frenchmen to grant them their freedom?
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sorry that I have to ask this but do you have any reading dissorder?

I'll try it again, a MORE peacefull revolution, that means yes a revolution not just waiting around, just that instead of murdering any motherfucker on the island you only go after valid military targets and leave stuff like woman, children and unarmed civilians in peace while still giving them the idea that you are in charge now but that you won't harm them if they cooperate, this greatly improves your standing in the world, while killing everything is usualy a preaty bad PR move, again there was a growing movement in France that was FOR the rights of slaves, for their release etc etc, that movement died the second the revolution in haiti started to murder everyone, kinda of a very very bad PR for your cause

again
revolution: yes
kill everything: no, for various reasons

but that is all very offtopic and I'll stop at that, if you have anything else, PM
 
^^ ok, I get ya. That would've been better. Thing is, I dunno if the revolution could have been that organized to make sure civilians were hands off and I'm not sure how aware the slaves were of any abolitionist movements. I'd like to pick up a book on the finer details of the revolution.
 
It's been quite some time but as I came home after work last night I heard my mother talking to my father on the phone. Turns out he was/is ok(as much as that word can apply now) and a great relief passes over.
 
Urban Scholar said:
It's been quite some time but as I came home after work last night I heard my mother talking to my father on the phone. Turns out he was/is ok(as much as that word can apply now) and a great relief passes over.
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That's good to hear man. A lot of people don't realize that many many people still haven't heard from friends and relatives.

Also, to echo a couple of other posters here, what the hell is with the history debate derail in this thread?
 
Seems there was a tidal wave that destroyed a beach and some homes, and killed some people. CNN just had a correspondent interview a guy over there. There were rumors, but I think this is the first time I've seen someone interviewed that witnessed it. PEACE.
 
Pimpwerx said:
Seems there was a tidal wave that destroyed a beach and some homes, and killed some people. CNN just had a correspondent interview a guy over there. There were rumors, but I think this is the first time I've seen someone interviewed that witnessed it. PEACE.
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Did this tidal wave happen on the first day of the earthquake?
 
mckmas8808 said:
Did this tidal wave happen on the first day of the earthquake?
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I can't find the article on CNN's site, but I know I saw it on tv. Ali Velshi was interviewing him via video feed. Maybe they found the stories to be inaccurate and pulled it, but the footage of the beach showed a beach that looked destroyed. Sorry. PEACE.
 
I'm watching live. Brilliant execution. They have a ton of celebs answering phones for people who call and donate. The idea of making your donation to Neil Patrick Harris should have half of GAF calling.

Actually, the admins should offer a tag "Friend of Haiti" to anyone that proves they donated more than $100.

Make it so!
 
speculawyer said:
Sad to see those classic old churches suffer so much.

If those churches survived, you know there would be people saying god saved them . . . when they drop, no one says anything.
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Stay classy GAF.
 
The White House Blog
Making It Easier for Americans to Support Haiti
Posted by Macon Phillips on January 22, 2010 at 07:17 PM EST

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/01/22/making-it-easier-americans-support-haiti

In the days since the earthquake in Haiti, Americans have shown their generosity with millions of dollars in donations. Tonight, President Obama signed a bill into law that makes it easier to give. This legislation will allow taxpayers to receive the tax benefit from donations made to the Haiti effort in this tax season, rather than having to wait until they file their 2010 tax returns next year. Specifically, cash donations to charities for the Haitian relief effort given after January 11 and before March 1 of this year may be treated as if the contribution was made on December 31 of last year so that the contribution can be deducted from 2009 income. This measure applies to monetary donations, not goods or services.

One way to contribute is the Clinton Bush Haiti Fund. To donate, visit ClintonBushHaitiFund.org or text “QUAKE” to 20222 to charge a $10 donation that will be added to your cell phone bill. To learn more about the situation in Haiti and what you can do to help, visit WhiteHouse.gov/HaitiEarthquake.
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Amidst recent political news, this is quite refreshing.

EDIT: More information states that they are tax deductions.
 
Not sure; that's the entire text of the article. Let's see.

Okay, it's deductions

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President Obama Signs Legislation Providing Immediate Tax Deductions for Haiti Charitable Contributions January 22, 2010. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)
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Smiles and Cries said:
huh wait how many channels are airing this? (no cable)

I've never heard of a telethon on many networks
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In the HD range, on my cable, it's running on CNN, MLBHD, National Geographic, Bravo, HBO, Showtime, NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, CW, PBS, TNT, and Palladium.
 
Jennifer Hudson knows some of the pain the Haiti survivors are feeling. She's now the only remaining member of her immediate family. Great performance, as expected. PEACE.
 
Smiles and Cries said:
holy shit Chris Rock is muslim! did not know that!

from the word he used for Charity, thats an Islamic term
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He was speaking words that Ali wrote. I dunno if he's Muslim or not.
 
besada said:
In the HD range, on my cable, it's running on CNN, MLBHD, National Geographic, Bravo, HBO, Showtime, NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, CW, PBS, TNT, and Palladium.
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WOW that is different and as someone who was born in Port-Au-Prince, Haiti I am really proud of the response GO USA :D
 
besada said:
He was speaking words that Ali wrote. I dunno if he's Muslim or not.
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oh thanks for clearing that up makes better sense now... Dave Chappelle left his show to convert though I am not sure how I feel about him leaving his comedy
 
If anyone finds a link to a clip of the Jay-Z, U2, Rihanna performance just now, post it. I flipped away for a few minutes and missed it. :( PEACE.
 
jett said:
Wow is that Meat Loaf on TV? He look so old I'm not even sure if that's him.
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That's because it's Neil Young.

Oh, and you'll be able to buy the performances on iTunes, apparently, with the money going to Haiti.
 
Pimpwerx said:
If anyone finds a link to a clip of the Jay-Z, U2, Rihanna performance just now, post it. I flipped away for a few minutes and missed it. :( PEACE.
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in a few days these clips many show up because many of these performances are really on point

they are doing a hell of a good job with this... Keeping Kanye West away was a good idea JayZ :lol
 
Smiles and Cries said:
oh thanks for clearing that up makes better sense now... Dave Chappelle left his show to convert though I am not sure how I feel about him leaving his comedy
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Dave Chappelle didn't leave his show to convert, he was already Muslim when he started his show. He left due to the Hollywood pressures placed on him, and because he believed his show was promoting racism. In essence, he was just sick of all the fuss.

But that's for another thread, lol.
 
moriya2k2 said:
anyone else find it fucking disgusting (and not surprising) that Fox News is the only network NOT airing Hope For Haiti?
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polyh3dron said:
Right wingers love to shit talk Hollywood Liberals all the fucking time, but they're doing a whole lot to help out Haiti right now.
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Right wingers should be purged from this country.

Glad to see all the support going on.
 
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