7.0 earthquake hits Haiti, death toll may reach 200,000
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liljeblom said:
While it was bad, the media did cover the events in asia heavily as well, but as has been noted it's also a much further away situation. Also the Asian disasters were somewhat more controlled and subdued due to the fact that much of the infrastructure of the local governments, police, military, and neighboring help were on hand immediatly, while with Haiti all that does not exist anymore.
It's not different from the Asian media not giving as much coverage to the Haiti crisis while they did to the Asian ones, while the US media is covering the "local" issue.
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Enosh
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to be fair the way they did was kinda against their own interest, I understand the concept of wanting to kill your opresser, but in this case it was a bad idea~Devil Trigger~ said:
a more peacefull revolution would have been better, fact is those whites were the only teachers, doctors etc on the island, due to the nature of the slavery system they sure as hell didn't pass on those skills to the slaves
so a more peacefull revolution that would make those high skilled people stay on the island and teach their skills to the others would have been better, now how to do this is the question, the co operation of the whites in the newly free country is also a question, althrough after the frech revolution there were "friends of blacks" in France, an organization for the freedom of the slaves, equal rights for the blacks and the end of slavery, which ironicly died beacose of the violent haitian revolution
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Enosh said:
Yeah it's not like they could just wait around for the best overall solution. They wanted to stop being slaves first.
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Enosh said:
You don't exactly form a provisional government and file a petition of grievances in a slave revolt.
Hell, France didn't abolish slavery until the Second Republic.
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It was weaker and at this point most structures that were going to fail have already failed. The worst thing a powerful aftershock can do is kill more people still trapped in rubble. There are probably few survivors at this time now as well.
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Enosh said:
:lol American Revolution was bad too?
anyways, Haitians DID try for peaceful change, hell the revolution at the beginning was'nt about independence it was about rights
there were many revolts before the late 1700. In fact the french had enough of it and decided to "change" things. But it was pretty much BS, they just created a class system that kept "Dark Skinned" Blacks slaves with no human rights and can be forced to fight for France, "light Skinned or mixed races would be second class french citizens and were able to own slaves, some land and "pure whites" of course would continue to rule(and many were actually against these changes).
The Haitians Resistance by in large did not accept this and still wanted more negotiations. Their leader at the time(Toussaint) still wanted to be part of French Empire but wanted an END to slavery. Napoleon unfortunately was'nt having that sent to capture Toussaint and killed em(he died in prison).
of course peaceful revolution/change is better, but Haitians had very little choice on the island back then.
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sankao said:
Did the Caribbean colonies actually recognize the government of the French Revolution? Was it an effective ban, or did people just say, "Lets see them try" and stick with the slavery? I honestly have no idea.
I used to think it was dumb, but then I noticed the wide range of quakes that get reported on tv, and I figured it must be the way it is for a good reason. Earthquakes have a tremendous range in severity. Scary to think what an 8.0 or 9.0 quake would be like. PEACE.TheEastonator said:
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wow, it's reaching tsunami numbers. arnt these the biggest natural catastrophes ever too?Amir0x said:
Pimpwerx said:
It really isn't dumb at all. The Mercalli scale is a little dumb, but we don't use that very often anymore. Here's two pretty good charts explaining the Richter Scale, and the equivalent energy released by the earthquake:
The largest recorded was offshore Chile at a 9.5. That is more than 100x stronger than the Haiti quake last week. Krakatoa's eruption had the energy equivalent of about an 8.5 on the Richter Scale.
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harSon said:
"LOL WUT?"
There's a pretty big difference between revolting from second class citizenship and revolting from slavery. I'd imagine it'd be pretty difficult to do peaceful demonstrations in a slave colony, especially in the Caribbeans which were known to be the most brutal of all slave states.
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You people seriously need to read Haitian history before posting random shit like this...
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the question "what is peaceful revolution?" kind of implied that the concept was unheard of to you. if you said "a peaceful revolution in haiti at that time would never have worked" that would of made things simpler. though im not sure what haitis history is, so i cant agree or disagree there.harSon said:
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5 year old Boy pulled alive from rubble in Haiti after 8 days
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/20/haiti.earthquake/index.html?hpt=T1
8 days wow VIDEO http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2010/01/20/cooper.haiti.5.year.old.cnn
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/20/haiti.earthquake/index.html?hpt=T1
8 days wow VIDEO http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2010/01/20/cooper.haiti.5.year.old.cnn
jamesinclair
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NYT tool for before and after imagery
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/01/14/world/20100114-haiti-imagery.html
Drag the line across to see a before and after.
Note: You can set up the dates to be September 2008, janaury 13, 2010 and January 16 2010.
So for example, in the first image, you can see an empty field, then on the 13th people setting up camp and on the 16th it's crowded.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/01/14/world/20100114-haiti-imagery.html
Drag the line across to see a before and after.
Note: You can set up the dates to be September 2008, janaury 13, 2010 and January 16 2010.
So for example, in the first image, you can see an empty field, then on the 13th people setting up camp and on the 16th it's crowded.
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I was at Wal-Mart last night to get a Playstation 3 (was looking around forever) and i was pretty sure the guy that got it out of behind the glass for me was from haiti because of his accent and i asked him where he was from and that pretty much confirmed it. I shook his hand and patted him on the back and before i left i told him "best wishes".
Well, aside from the Gandhi example above there is also the Velvet Revolution.Jibril said:
I'm not familiar enough with the history of Haiti to comment either way but the general notion of a non-violent revolution is hardly laughable.
Pimpwerx said:
The reason the scale is logarithmic is to make it easier to measure the normal everyday readings. If you just had a flat scale, most things wouldn't even register.
Same thing with the dB scale. If it weren't logarithmic, 99% of sounds (or signal strength or whatever you are measuring) would fit into the bottom 1% of the scale, which isn't very useful when you are trying to get accurate measurements of something.
In short, it's just a way to get more precision in the portion of the scale that gets used most often without resorting to huge numbers.
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