DaleinCalgary
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Work from home is the devil
Meet the Boeing Union reps and say that.
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700+ Ubisoft France staff walk out on a three-day strike in dispute over home working and pay
RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
They want us to go into work to work? Are they having a laugh?
PatientGamer
Member
The French don't fuck around when it comes to their worker's rights lol. US folk need to take a page out of their book.
A friend of mine (French national) who worked for a U.S. company via was fired unceremoniously and the company had to pay them MORE in wages to as a separation/severance than the amount they paid during the time they worked there
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Don't fuck around with French workers lol.
Also... more bad news for Ubisoft lol - this has to be the worst month on record for their company.
But will they learn? No.
A friend of mine (French national) who worked for a U.S. company via was fired unceremoniously and the company had to pay them MORE in wages to as a separation/severance than the amount they paid during the time they worked there
.Don't fuck around with French workers lol.
Also... more bad news for Ubisoft lol - this has to be the worst month on record for their company.
But will they learn? No.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Yes I was one of those. I'd just started my new job and then within 2 months of doing so lockdown happened here in the UK and my job went remote and I quickly felt the following perks:
1. Saved me from an awful 2.5 hour total daily commute, 5 days a week
2. Saved me a ton of money not having to pay for travel and by eating lunch at home and not buying coffees which built up a pile of savings very quickly.
3. For my particular job the bullshit was cutout meaning I could be way more efficient and take on more responsibilities too. My reputation in the organisation was very good because of this.
4. I could fit in a fap if I was feeling frisky around my meetings
5. I could wear sweatpants all day and throw on a shirt for zoom/teams meetings
6. Earn income on the side trading stocks
7. During the ultra quiet periods, rather than waste annual leave, I could just take it easy, treat the day as a day off play some games whilst keep an eye on my emails
8. Sleep in up until like 5-10 mins before starting work
When all the covid restrictions finally end they began to set out plans to only allow 1 day remote and 4 days in the office. So, I just quit and started doing something different where I could work full time from home.
These Ubi employees who are so desperate to do home work should look for new work where they can do so. No use complaining as we're all expendable in our jobs.
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Gamerfan81
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After reading the last part of your paragraph, it got me thinking about the difference in quality of the games made by Japanese and Western devs. I couldn't find any stats of the percentage of Japanese devs working from home but I did come across a few interesting videos, where the people working within the Japanese video game industry came to work. And let's be honest, there is a major difference between the quality of games from Japan and the West. It gets talked about here on Gaf often.
A few interesting videos:
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Sure looks like a group who cares about making video games first. And video game employees wonder why bosses treat them like children. I'd treat them like kids too if they treated the workplace like a political partyfest.
kiphalfton
Member
Anybody advocating against WFH is likely just butthurt they themselves can't work from home.
If it didn't somehow jeopardize those who want to work from home, whatever, but you get retarded upper management who love hearing anti-WFH sentiment and it only encourages them to push harder for full-time return to office.
Should be an option at the end of the day; just like not everybody wants to work in the office, not everybody wants to work from home. It shouldn't be a one size fits all approach, but that's asking too much as the average company tries to get away with giving employees the absolute bare minimum.
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Barakov
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Says a lot about what hiring on quota versus merit does to a company.
genesisblock
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And how do you think what got them there in the first place? All I see is just another attempt to appease shareholders that there's some sort of control by making people come back to office? Then what? How does that undo the mess that is SW: Outlaws? Will they even ve able to salvage any cultural sensitivities of AC: Shadows? I think comments like yours are the reason why companies will eventually fail.
There's no leadership here, just management theatre. You showed no plans, no guidelines, no goals and you wonder why people don't want to worm with office if they have to deal with people like you face to face.
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DryvBy
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Jealousy in down regard. But if I had to get back an office, I would and then look for another job. I've been WFH full-time for a few years and it's the best. They actually get more work out of me because if I think of something I want to do and it's 9pm, I just jump on and do it.
Skifi28
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It's always nice when a company's dumb decisions come to bite them in the ass. Not so happy about all those diversity hires now, are we?
Boneless
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It's called work-life balance, but you only worry about that if you have a actual life.
Puscifer
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Good for you. But this still doesn't change the fact that it's possible to do your job from home and some people don't. At this point, I'm only going into work when I have to interact with certain people or there's meetings where I have to show my face. My performance hasn't degraded and so has plenty of other people.
I like saving money on gas, I like not being stuck in traffic, I like when my days done I have an almost extra 2 hours between the morning and evening to do as I please that would be normally preparing and commuting. Good on you though, but everything you said is really a "WHY DON'T YOU LIKE WHAT I LIKE" situation
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Cyberpunkd
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And a company doesn’t want to have someone that thinks me, me, me all the time.
xBlueStonex
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Those advocating for work-from-home fail to realize that the entirety of the AAA video game industry has historically been rooted in in-office collaboration. Your favorite Nintendo games from the N64 era? Created in office. Sony PS2 classics? Developed in office. The top games you usually find on GOTY lists? All made in office. The abrupt shift to remote work in 2020 has led to an absolutely noticeable decline in both the quality and quantity of games this era.
So you can sit here and gloat that you, the individual, can sleep in extra and work in pajamas all day. But don't pretend this won't have (and has had) a profound impact in sectors like the gaming industry.
So you can sit here and gloat that you, the individual, can sleep in extra and work in pajamas all day. But don't pretend this won't have (and has had) a profound impact in sectors like the gaming industry.
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Bernardougf
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Apparently WFH was an hidden lucrative genius idea never discovered by big corpos until covid came and unleashed
Bernardougf
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Yeah... Quota hiring is definitely not a thing... its just pure coincidence
Tiago Rodrigues
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Wait...most people in here are against working from home?
Y'all prefer to spend hours in traffic / transportation, eating like shit most of the times, hanging around co-workers you mostly don't like, etc...instead of sleeping maybe an extra hour, staying at home warm with your pets (if you have them), while it's raining outside, etc? (just an example)
I'm...honestly shocked with this topic. Y'all were gaslighted into believing spending 8 hours a day away from everything you care about + 2 hours of transportation (so at least 10 hours) is the best thing ever and you defend it like that...okay. Plus, the environment appreciates it if less people need to travel like that every day. Spending 40 years like this isn't good for anyone.
Or is this selfishly only supposed to apply to game developers cause your favorite games are supposedly getting worse? (imagine thinking that after the year of amazing games we just had lmao)
Y'all prefer to spend hours in traffic / transportation, eating like shit most of the times, hanging around co-workers you mostly don't like, etc...instead of sleeping maybe an extra hour, staying at home warm with your pets (if you have them), while it's raining outside, etc? (just an example)
I'm...honestly shocked with this topic. Y'all were gaslighted into believing spending 8 hours a day away from everything you care about + 2 hours of transportation (so at least 10 hours) is the best thing ever and you defend it like that...okay. Plus, the environment appreciates it if less people need to travel like that every day. Spending 40 years like this isn't good for anyone.
Or is this selfishly only supposed to apply to game developers cause your favorite games are supposedly getting worse? (imagine thinking that after the year of amazing games we just had lmao)
Bernardougf
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I think nobody is against WFH ... some people may prefer working on site but nobody is against any working politcs ... the problem is the entitlement of some workers thinking that the company cannot change their working policies ... WFH is a luxury gained with covid... it was always bound to end in some cases ... in the case of the gaming industry is obviously detrimental to game development imho but this is for the companys to choose not me or the workers.
Its decades of one type of work vs a few years of the other ... in some cases the experiment has failed.. time to go back .. its that simple.. in others is working and will remain
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Cyberpunkd
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All. things equal WFH is way more preferable. But things are not equal...
There is a tangible benefit to people working next to each other - motivation, joint problem solving, etc. It's difficult to quantify, but so is WFH. It's not that one is better than the other, it's just that we have simply no idea. Sp the default reaction to troubles will be blaming WFH policies, the same way underperforming sales has to have less-than-optimal activity (less email, calls, social, etc.).
Puscifer
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They'll still fire you all the same. I'm over giving these jobs my entire life, I've had jobs where I worked 6am to 7pm-9pm and got shit for it when one time I asked after nearly a year of that shit if I could get help on certain jobs and was told that if they could get someone they would.
After that, every single job gets my services from my agreed upon enter and exit time. People who dick ride companies are insane to me, all of these places are looking to replace you with cheaper labor or AI, no amount of dedication is saving you from that.
I have a friend that's been a Linux System admin for the same company for 20+ years, literally giving his life to them, and he's watching senior staff get laid off everywhere and replaced with cheaper people.
You damn right workers should be more "me me me" because what does deep throating like you get you?
NOTHING LOL
rm082e
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I'm not in game dev, and maybe it's different in that industry. But I do work in software, and we've been WFH since March of 2020. We saw zero drop in our performance. I manage the Dev and DevOps teams, and we are just as effective working at home and getting together on Teams as we were sitting in our offices and meeting in a conference room.
I don't get the idea that people work hard at the office, but they're lazy at home. If that were true, you would see people's performance drop considerably when going to WFH, which wasn't a common story during the pandemic. If the performance is generally the same between WIO and WFH, then that means people were being lazy at the office - just with extra steps of commuting, putting on nice clothes, and trying to hide their YouTube window.
I don't get the idea that people work hard at the office, but they're lazy at home. If that were true, you would see people's performance drop considerably when going to WFH, which wasn't a common story during the pandemic. If the performance is generally the same between WIO and WFH, then that means people were being lazy at the office - just with extra steps of commuting, putting on nice clothes, and trying to hide their YouTube window.
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GHG
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Yep, creative work on this scale is highly collaborative. Some departments will suffer greatly as a result of WFH. Game development is not the same as regular software development, but some people are clearly unable to make the distinction.
I've permanently worked from home for the last 6 years. Try again.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If people are getting replaced by cheaper who can do the job, it simply means the senior people aren’t pulling their weight being worth it anymore. It’s nothing personal. Just business.
I’ve been at my company for almost 15 years and get paid well. If the company wants to save profits, fire me and replace me with a new college grad and they could probably save $100,000. They dont. In fact I’ve never seen one senior finance person at my company fired yet. They might quit for a different company, but never fired yet. If a company thinks you got value it doesn’t matter if someone makes $50,000 out of school or is one of those $200,000 google guys. If you’re worth keeping, you’ll keep your job.
As for your example of IT guys getting replaced with cheaper what’s wrong with that? Guess what? Our company uses Indian outsourced contract companies too to do IT stuff and ERP system help. No doubt probably cheap. But guess what? They do the job fine, fix any system data mistakes we bring up and most importantly got zero attitude. They just do their job and are nice people. What more do you want? They seem like good people.
Which is no different than employees quitting companies after one year because they found another job that pays a bit better. Let’s face it. There’s lots of job hoppers with zero loyalty too. In fact when it comes to people leaving a company, there’s probably 10x more quitting for another company than a company actually firing people.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
No doubt.
Hard to pull off moonlighting jobs when at the office.
Long time ago at my old job (before wfh and COVID were a thing) it was a standard 5 days a week in the office. One remote guy in Saskatchewan was a good guy but hard to get hold of. You’d email or call the guy and he’d maybe respond to you days later.
Turned out the fucking guy was building decks in the spring and summer. News came out after he left as his close buddies who knew laughed (all remote workers too in that region) that nobody at head office knew.
PeteBull
Member
Thats the difference tho, u actually posessed a skill ppl were willing to pay for, even if u worked fulltime from home, those talentless woke fucks from ubi get paid good money for producing low quality games for long years, no1 else but ubi is stupid enough to pay them so highly for such low quality work, hence they try everything imaginable they can w/o actually quitting their jobs coz that would make them jobless longterm
th4tguy
Member
Can’t help but be curious. What jobs do people here hold that so strongly hate the idea of wfh?
I lead a dev team of 22 people and most are in Ireland and India. I’m in the states. I randomly have very early morning or very late at night meetings in order to be aligned with my people.
I only have to be in the office 3 days out of the week and on those days, it’s impossible to get as much work done.
My experience is not unique. It’s not about laziness and with my average 70-80 hour weeks, I really don’t see that as a valid argument.
I lead a dev team of 22 people and most are in Ireland and India. I’m in the states. I randomly have very early morning or very late at night meetings in order to be aligned with my people.
I only have to be in the office 3 days out of the week and on those days, it’s impossible to get as much work done.
My experience is not unique. It’s not about laziness and with my average 70-80 hour weeks, I really don’t see that as a valid argument.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Exactly, I don't know how you would manage a team on such a large scale like this apart from very inefficiently.
Add that they're a bunch of Wokies too...can you imagine it?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
For those of you who are wfh supporters that fine. It works for some roles and companies. For some roles it doesn’t work. My company is hybrid but I can work with all situations.
But one thing you might want to be cautious about. As the world becomes more and more zoom call based all it means is your wfh job will be easier to replace with another wfh guy in a different country.
If your company is a traditional 5 days at the office kind of job, it’s very hard for a company to outsource jobs remotely unless it’s an IT kind of job where issues can be fixed behind the scenes where an email and MS Teams call is all you need.
Just be warned what you wish for. If you want to be treated as zoom calling bits and bytes, then you might be treated as one. You'll get replaced by another wfh zoom caller 5,000 miles away.
But one thing you might want to be cautious about. As the world becomes more and more zoom call based all it means is your wfh job will be easier to replace with another wfh guy in a different country.
If your company is a traditional 5 days at the office kind of job, it’s very hard for a company to outsource jobs remotely unless it’s an IT kind of job where issues can be fixed behind the scenes where an email and MS Teams call is all you need.
Just be warned what you wish for. If you want to be treated as zoom calling bits and bytes, then you might be treated as one. You'll get replaced by another wfh zoom caller 5,000 miles away.
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Sentenza
Gold Member
Weird angle to begin with. It's not about what one "prefers".
If I had a corporate job I'd prefer being paid to do jack shit and never show up at work, but I'm not going to act like it's a mystery why my boss may not be too thrilled about it.
Gamerfan81
Member
I'm pretty sure if the workers complaining were from Capcom, Nintendo, Fromsoftware, Sega this thread would be 100% supporting them, but its workers from Ubisoft.
So there are going to be many posters not having sympathy.
Like it or not, Ubisoft is seen as the poster boy by many as what Western game companies have devolved into. A mediocre and creatively bankrupt product and to top it off, when the product fails, they insult the customer base by calling them all sort of names.
Again, if these were workers from Capcom, Nintendo, Fromsoftware, and Sega saying that they are way more productive with wfh, many in this thread would be in agreement with them. But Ubisoft? Hahaha
So there are going to be many posters not having sympathy.
Like it or not, Ubisoft is seen as the poster boy by many as what Western game companies have devolved into. A mediocre and creatively bankrupt product and to top it off, when the product fails, they insult the customer base by calling them all sort of names.
Again, if these were workers from Capcom, Nintendo, Fromsoftware, and Sega saying that they are way more productive with wfh, many in this thread would be in agreement with them. But Ubisoft? Hahaha
MikeM
Gold Member
Its because its not a valid argument. Its typically a tale of “I can’t work from home so no one should” or “everyone who works from home doesn’t actually work” which in itself is a sad, uneducated comment.
We need to come to the reality that the current office setup is the equivalent to the ICE- old, out of date in a world requiring modern solutions. Housing is at a premium. Road space is at a premium. We should be looking to alleviate these with more work from home perks, not less.
Bernardougf
Member
This and AI ... more than ever people should want to reinforce the need of human presence/contact and cooperation .... this distant robotic wfh way of life could become very easily exchamble
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I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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Love?
Ridicululzz
Member
I'm in software dev and have been fully WFH for about 5 years now, and it works out really well for us because our main team here is pretty small and we're always responsive. It also helps that our product features are pretty disconnected from one another, so we don't really have to cooperate all that much.
Game development seems like a completely different beast where you'd have to be in constant communication with each other, and working from the office allows that to be much easier. I can see both sides here though, because if Ubi promised full time WFH and people changed their schedules around that and NOW they're being told "Hey yeah jk, come back to the office." I'd be pissed too.
Game development seems like a completely different beast where you'd have to be in constant communication with each other, and working from the office allows that to be much easier. I can see both sides here though, because if Ubi promised full time WFH and people changed their schedules around that and NOW they're being told "Hey yeah jk, come back to the office." I'd be pissed too.
MayauMiao
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I can't tell if the image is serious or making fun of them.
Larxia
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That's why we have reached a point where it feels like we're in a South Park episode.
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