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911 footage is still so powerful

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Seeing the disaster happen and thinking about all the people involved, and the general callousness of the act still makes me incredibly pissed off 4 years on. There's a special on National Geographic in the UK right now.

The meticulous cold and calculated planning illustrated as they go through the run up to the crime still sends shocks through my nervous system, and I get the same irrational feelings as I had that day. I remember the day vividly. I got home from college without even knowing it had happened. Nobody knew unless they were near a TV. I was busy studying. When I got home, I literally sat down with my coat and bag and didn't move. I cabbaged out in front of the TV in silence right through the night, and when I DID go to bed I watched the same looped articles on TV until I fell asleep.

All I wanted then, and all I can think now, is that I was rooting for the US of A. I genuinely believed whoever the fuck was to blame should be nuked from existence. I wanted to see a sharp response and conclusion with the barbarism beat down so ferociously that nobody would EVER think of doing such a thing in the west ever again.

There hasn't been a terrorist act in the US since, but its shockwave has been felt in African embassies, in the holiday resort of Bali, Indonesia, shocked a country already riddled with ETA-led terrorism, and found its way onto the London Underground. It really is a war, and there was NO swift conclusion. Were we not ferocious enough? Is the west not united enough? Not of strong enough conviction? Or is all of the witch hunting true... are we to blame?

Some part of me now forever detests the Saudis, however many million innocent there may be.. I still want the Afghan situation resolved with might.. I supported the Iraq war (I probably wouldn't if I could turn back time btw), and the horrendous ends the Iraqi resistance goes to has made Iraq a focus for my disdain of hate-mongers and barbarism. I would have the best day of my life if I woke up tomorrow and US soldiers were brandishing Zarqawi's head on a pike for the whole world to see. He's that much of a symbol for me. I know about the deaths of innocents in other countries. I know our actions cause misery in other parts of the world. But I don't want pull outs... some twisted part of me wants the West to get out there and succeed in forcing our way, the only way I know, and a way I consider relatively civilised and controllable all over the world. I want to see the end of all religious extremism. I would even support a full religious purge. There's a scary concept! Sound a little like Hitler's final solution?

Don't get me wrong, if I were American I wouldn't be a Bush supporter, but my hate (or fear?) of that region of the world would remain. I remember being so distressed by Bush's reelection, and all I thought it would mean for the UK and the rest of the world: but having saw this footage again and having felt the irrational feelings it evokes in me, I'm reminded of why its in some part understandable.

All this from the footage recorded on that ill-fated day.

I really will never forget.
 
My friend in New York sent me a documentary from PBS by documentarian Ric Burns. I believe it is the latest addition to his 'NEW YORK: A documentary' and is titled ' The Center of the World.'

A powerful documentary by any standard. It doesn't go for the cheap tug at the heart with graphic images either. It is the way he weaves his narrative with interviews that made it such a great documentary.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/newyork/
 
HBO's "In Memorium: 9/11" is by FAR the best thing i've seen on the event. i watched it with three other people, and we just sat there in awe the entire time, without saying anything.
it's so, so good.
 
Eminem said:
HBO's "In Memorium: 9/11" is by FAR the best thing i've seen on the event. i watched it with three other people, and we just sat there in awe the entire time, without saying anything.
it's so, so good.

Hmm i need to see that. is it on DVD or torrent?
 
I'm glad to see that you recognize it to be irrational. But it's that same illogical response and feelings that were shared by the perpatrators of 9/11.
 
I remember the morning it happened I was in a van with other students on the way to a driving range for the blowoff golf course I had chosen as my phys. ed. course. We veered a bit into the other lane and our sideview mirror shattered against that of another van. All I thought was "wow, this is probably the most eventful my day will be."

Then I got back to my dorm and my friend IMed me with just "turn on the TV." My grandfather was living in Manhattan at the time, and my dad was in town on business, so by the end of the day I had memorized the phone numbers and card numbers of every phone card I had. I was glad my dad and his dad were okay, but I still felt nauseous all day.
 
I was watching footage for hours last night, and to this day I still feel the pain in my heart I felt when I was watching it live. Rewinding the second plane colliding into the building over and over always makes my heart skip a beat.
 
i was just thinking to myself today that i need to buy a bunch of documentary and special dvds on 9/11.

i remember just about a week after driving with my friend into manhattan and seeing the wreckage and carnage up close it was just unbelievable. we were driving real slow so we could look down the side streets to see which block would give us the best view to see it all then out of nowhere it us. we smelled the smell, we saw mile-high cranes, smoke, huge lights, tons and tons of debris, and the infamous wall that was standing by itself for a couple weeks until they took it down. that will be permanently lasered into my memory, it was crazy.

watching all the specials and footage on tv still gets me choked up.
 
Eminem said:
HBO's "In Memorium: 9/11" is by FAR the best thing i've seen on the event. i watched it with three other people, and we just sat there in awe the entire time, without saying anything.
it's so, so good.

No...you guys need to see "Inside 911" on the National Geographic channel. Parts 1 and 2. They go all the way back to before the birth of Al Quaeda, and go through every step all the way to after the events of 911. Four hours of very powerful narration and depictions of how the manifistation of Bin Ladens plans came about and inside knowledge of who the hijackers really were.

The best documentary I've seen in years since "The Men Who Killed Kennedy".
 
Isamu is correct. I've seen several documentaries (now including "The Flight That Fought Back"), but Inside 9/11 is still the best.

Part one is two-hours about the "why" of 9/11. Why it occurred. It only revolves around the histories of Bin Laden and the high jackers.

The second part, Zero Hour, is two hours of the best moment by moment recount of the events ever pieced together. I think it's the best account because it uses the most live footage and recorded media from the events I've ever seen including many, many audio recordings of phone calls, news media and air-traffic controllers.
 
I was off school was on gaf say a post saying that a plane had hit one of the wtc's so I turned on the tv few mins later other plane hit whilst I watched it.


and it's 119 dammit.
 
CloudNL said:
Anybody seen "The Flight that Fought back" on Discovery Channel?
It was narrated by Kiefer Sutherland.

More propeganda to cover up that this flight was shot down by U.S. Air National Guard fighters after failing to comply with the order to ground all commerical traffic.

NEVER FORGET.
 
isamu said:
No...you guys need to see "Inside 911" on the National Geographic channel. Parts 1 and 2. They go all the way back to before the birth of Al Quaeda, and go through every step all the way to after the events of 911. Four hours of very powerful narration and depictions of how the manifistation of Bin Ladens plans came about and inside knowledge of who the hijackers really were.

The best documentary I've seen in years since "The Men Who Killed Kennedy".


It's just amazing. I'm going to order it which is not something I often do with these specials.
 
Doth Togo said:
More propeganda to cover up that this flight was shot down by U.S. Air National Guard fighters after failing to comply with the order to ground all commerical traffic.

I agree. The official story is so fucking hammy it's hard to take seriously.
 
With all due respect- what makes your point of view different from those who flew the planes?
It isn't. They just went ahead with it.
 
xabre, did you wear your swastika today as you type your "i hate america" posts?

Seriosuly, you're anit-america posts get real tired. Especially in a thread like this, it isn't welcome.
 
Slurpy said:
With all due respect- what makes your point of view different from those who flew the planes?
It isn't. They just went ahead with it.

Who are you responding to exactly and what do you mean?
 
isamu said:
No...you guys need to see "Inside 911" on the National Geographic channel. Parts 1 and 2. They go all the way back to before the birth of Al Quaeda, and go through every step all the way to after the events of 911. Four hours of very powerful narration and depictions of how the manifistation of Bin Ladens plans came about and inside knowledge of who the hijackers really were.

The best documentary I've seen in years since "The Men Who Killed Kennedy".


i have seen it. also very good....but i am still more in awe of the videos of the whole thing. the cinematography in HBO's show is much better, IMO. so much of the stuff they show hasn't been seen before. NG's documentary is better as a whole, but going by just the terrifyingly jaw-dropping videos, HBO's is by far the best I've seen.


Deku said:
Hmm i need to see that. is it on DVD or torrent?

i couldn't find a torrent, sadly. but to buy it:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...ref=sr_1_2/002-9964311-7528052?v=glance&s=dvd

it is amazing.
 
Doth Togo said:
More propeganda to cover up that this flight was shot down by U.S. Air National Guard fighters after failing to comply with the order to ground all commerical traffic.

NEVER FORGET.

I don't think I'd be so sure of that.

It isn't difficult at all to overstress a commercial airliner to the point that the wings/engines would start to tear away from the fuselage. Especially if it were in a nose dive, which - according to most reports - is exactly what happened with Flight 93. That could result in an engine being found miles away from the actual crash site and, if the tear was significant, it would also explain why human remains were found miles away from the crash site.

It is entirely possible that it was shot down or a bomb went off inside, but we'll never know.
 
I saw inside 9/11 a couple weeks ago.

The most memorable thing I saw was a guy trying to climb down the building. He was shimmying down the side out of a window and lost his footing. Fucked up way to die.
 
Outcast2004 said:
xabre, did you wear your swastika today as you type your "i hate america" posts?

Seriosuly, you're anit-america posts get real tired. Especially in a thread like this, it isn't welcome.

Idiot opinions like this is why I don't give a shit about the 9/11 pomp anymore...
 
Shinobi said:
Idiot opinions like this is why I don't give a shit about the 9/11 pomp anymore...


Care to explain?

Xabre is just a jackass and constantly goes into thread spewing forth his "I hate America" views. It's tired.
 
King Jippo said:
whats the real version of the story?

The one where the heroic passengers rose up and wrestled control of the plane from the hijackers and slammed it into the ground. It strikes me as a hammy feel good story, like Jessica Lynch. I believed at the time and still believe today that the plane was shot down, and that isn’t an opinion lacking basis either.
 
xabre said:
The one where the heroic passengers rose up and wrestled control of the plane from the hijackers and slammed it into the ground. It strikes me as a hammy feel good story, like Jessica Lynch. I believed at the time and still believe today that the plane was shot down, and that isnÂ’t an opinion lacking basis either.

Bull shit.
Plain and simple.

There's more than enough evidence from eye witness reports and from family members phone calls to support the story of it being taken back over and then having it slammed into the ground. Know something that they all dont?

So their accounts are all feel-good and hammy? Whatever.

So unless you have some top secret CIA documents to support YOUR claims, then I'm just chalking it up as conspiracy theory.

Of course your probably also the same type of person that belived the plane that hit the Pentagon was shot down as well.
 
i still don't understand what slurpy said.

Iremember that day. I was catching the bus to work in the very early morning (NZ) very very tired and kind of zombie at the bus stop. This chinese woman turns to me and says

"YOU SEE NEWS PRANE CRASH TOWER BIG ESPROSION" in the most broken english possible, and she looked utterly confused and distraught.

I went "uhhh, what?" and then the bus pulled up. then I got the paper and said "oh shit" then we watched american news for about 5 days straight. It was crazy. the people jumping out the windows fucked me up a little I reckon.
 
xabre said:
I believed at the time and still believe today that the plane was shot down, and that isnÂ’t an opinion lacking basis either.
point me to a good source where there is basis for this theory.
 
There definitely is a basis to make such a claim. The wide debris field for one, the scrambled fighter jets and the shoot down confirmation for another as well as the numerous eyewitness accounts. All such disputes could be settled with the full release of the data flight recorder.
 
xabre said:
There definitely is a basis to make such a claim. The wide debris field for one, the scrambled fighter jets and the shoot down confirmation for another as well as the numerous eyewitness accounts. All such disputes could be settled with the full release of the data flight recorder.

I read all of those and the eyewitness accounts seem to back up the claim of the 911 report that the highjacker pushed the control stick forward and turned full right, to make it dive and turn upside down.
 
As a New Yorker who lived close it all, I really have no need to see a documentary, or at least see footage one more time. Am I the only one? Anyway, its good to know some good ones out there exist (I had no idea Ken Burns did one, that guy's work is always great).
 
FortNinety said:
As a New Yorker who lived close it all, I really have no need to see a documentary, or at least see footage one more time. Am I the only one? Anyway, its good to know some good ones out there exist (I had no idea Ken Burns did one, that guy's work is always great).

No you're not the only one. I have a good enough slide show in my head some nights that I don't need to see any more.
 
Outcast2004 said:
Care to explain?

Xabre is just a jackass and constantly goes into thread spewing forth his "I hate America" views. It's tired.

I saw none of it in that post...he simply said something that quite frankly isn't all that hard to believe (nor was it unjustifiable).

Alas, these days anything that's deemed to be even a minor criticism, or doesn't fall in line with majority opinion is deemed as American hating (speaking of tired). Thus my response.

You want a prime example of a plane incident on American soil that's been covered up, try reading up on TWA #800 sometime. And we can't even blame Bush for that one.
 
Shinobi, believe what you will...

BUT, I've seen enough of Xabre's posts to know what type of a jackass he can be. For whatever reason I get the feeling he has a hard-on against Americans and the US.

Whatever his motivations are I really don't care, I'd just like to know WHAT those reasons are so I can understand where he's coming from.
 
Outcast2004 said:
Shinobi, believe what you will...

BUT, I've seen enough of Xabre's posts to know what type of a jackass he can be. For whatever reason I get the feeling he has a hard-on against Americans and the US.

Whatever his motivations are I really don't care, I'd just like to know WHAT those reasons are so I can understand where he's coming from.

:lol You've gotta be kidding...if you can't understand why people would be anti-American in this day and age, it's almost not worth the discussion. Not that despising the hypocritical, full of shit American government (which I do) has anything to do with despising Americans (which I don't). I imagine xabre's got far more greivance with the former then the latter.

Anyway, that's beside the point...I didn't see his posts in this thread as being anti-American. What he's like in other threads is a different issue.
 
TWA 800 WAS a coverup. It was obviously an act of terrorism but covered up by the Clinton administration.

There is some evidence that the AA flight that went down over Manhattan 1 month after 9/11 was a terrorist plot too.
 
Shinobi said:
:lol You've gotta be kidding...if you can't understand why people would be anti-American in this day and age, it's almost not worth the discussion. Not that despising the hypocritical, full of shit American government (which I do) has anything to do with despising Americans (which I don't). I imagine xabre's got far more greivance with the former then the latter.

Anyway, that's beside the point...I didn't see his posts in this thread as being anti-American. What he's like in other threads is a different issue.

Riiiight.... anyway name ONE government that isn't filled with the same hypocrasy and full of shit. They've all got their skeltons.

But I can say we are doing far more good than we are wrong.

It's a no-win situation for the US no matter what we do. If we help out other countries we get the thing of "stop being the world's police". If we do nothing and a country fails or falls into some sort of disaster it'll be" why were'nt YOU there to help us."

Which is why the anti-American verbal diarreha bothers the hell out of me. No matter what happend we will be pissed all over on a world stage.

I know this is fairly babbling and scatter-brained but I have a hell of a sinus headache, you'll just have to bear with me.
 
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