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[Lardbutt]

But no one cares if the government of Mongolia or Kajikistan is full of shit, since they have no effect on other countries.

America is the sole superpower thus it must be held to a higher standard. Everything it does or says has global repercussions. With great power must come greater responsibility.

 

[King Jippo]

With great power must come greater responsibility.

i always respect a person who bases their thoughts on global politics & empire on a popcorn movie's catch phrase.

 

[Shinobi]

TWA 800 WAS a coverup. It was obviously an act of terrorism but covered up by the Clinton administration.

There is some evidence that the AA flight that went down over Manhattan 1 month after 9/11 was a terrorist plot too.

It's humourous how quickly that AA crash disappeared from the media's conciousness...not unlike #800.

Riiiight.... anyway name ONE government that isn't filled with the same hypocrasy and full of shit. They've all got their skeltons.

But I can say we are doing far more good than we are wrong.

It's a no-win situation for the US no matter what we do. If we help out other countries we get the thing of "stop being the world's police". If we do nothing and a country fails or falls into some sort of disaster it'll be" why were'nt YOU there to help us."

Which is why the anti-American verbal diarreha bothers the hell out of me. No matter what happend we will be pissed all over on a world stage.

I know this is fairly babbling and scatter-brained but I have a hell of a sinus headache, you'll just have to bear with me.

You're missing a basic point. This isn't about you. It's about the US government. Alas the government represents your country, so when someone takes a shot at your country, more then likely they mean the government. It's no different to saying how crazy North Korea is...we all know the context of such a statement.

And as Lard said, the US is held to a different standard. And that's mainly because the US holds itself to a different standard. The US believes it's the leader and keeper from the free world, so it's held to greater account. If they don't like that, they can step down and give the title to China. :lol

i always respect a person who bases their thoughts on global politics & empire on a popcorn movie's catch phrase.

:lol Well it was originally from the comic book, but that doesn't make it any less accurate.

 

[Outcast2004]

You're missing a basic point. This isn't about you. It's about the US government. Alas the government represents your country, so when someone takes a shot at your country, more then likely they mean the government. It's no different to saying how crazy North Korea is...we all know the context of such a statement.

And as Lard said, the US is held to a different standard. And that's mainly because the US holds itself to a different standard. The US believes it's the leader and keeper from the free world, so it's held to greater account. If they don't like that, they can step down and give the title to China. :lol.

I kind of take issue with the first part of your statement.

As a capitalistic democracy I AM the government (I know sounds REALLY cheesy, but it rings true). As well as anyone else who votes in this country.

On the other topic I understand completely that the US is held to a different standard, and it's an unttainable one.

Pretty simple damned if we do, damned if we don't.

 

[xabre]

BUT, I've seen enough of Xabre's posts to know what type of a jackass he can be. For whatever reason I get the feeling he has a hard-on against Americans and the US.

Let me guess, this little tirade of yours all based on the thread where I called Americans gluttonous for their petrol usage and said it should be taxed to ease consumption. And poor wittle outcast got all offended, boo hoo.

Whatever his motivations are I really don't care, I'd just like to know WHAT those reasons are so I can understand where he's coming from.

If you're so intent to whinge about reasons for this and that, then you better start with your definition of 'Anti-American' so I can find a basis from which to confirm or deny your oh so serious charges against me. As far as I'm concerned, 'Anti-American' is an insult coined by the intellectually barren right, used to discredit individuals who to not conform to or outright oppose specific political or ideological principles.

Which is why the anti-American verbal diarreha bothers the hell out of me. No matter what happend we will be pissed all over on a world stage.

And why is that exactly?

As a capitalistic democracy I AM the government (I know sounds REALLY cheesy, but it rings true). As well as anyone else who votes in this country.

First off, capitalism has nothing to do with democratic principles, so stop throwing around terminology trying to sound smart. Secondly, your subtle point of any attack against the government is an attack against the citizen is a weak and pathetic attempt to render all criticism against the US government as 'Anti-American', thus satisfying the claim I made above about the intellectually barren right and their sad little reactionary penchant for insults.

 

[Shinobi]

I kind of take issue with the first part of your statement.

As a capitalistic democracy I AM the government (I know sounds REALLY cheesy, but it rings true). As well as anyone else who votes in this country.

On the other topic I understand completely that the US is held to a different standard, and it's an unttainable one.

Pretty simple damned if we do, damned if we don't.

If you choose to count yourself alongside the government when it/the country is being criticized, then there's nothing I can say about that. Let's just say it won't stop me. But considering that Americans have no problem ripping into their own government (and up here ripping our government is a fucking pastime), I can't imagine you take that personally.

And as far as damned if you do, damned if you don't is concerned...well, I think Saddam could tell you something about that. :lol

 

[isamu]

I saw inside 9/11 a couple weeks ago.

The most memorable thing I saw was a guy trying to climb down the building. He was shimmying down the side out of a window and lost his footing. Fucked up way to die.

Yes, that was very powerful stuff. Don't forget about the revelation of how Osama was actually on the phone with the U.S. joint chief of staff 3 hours prior to the attack.

 

[FightyF]

Slurpy's point was regarding the original post.

To want to hate "Saudis" (that term itself is funny, since it's referring to the ruling family) for the actions of a few.

 

[radioheadrule83]

Ah well, you knew what I meant

And as I pointed out, I know its irrational. And Slurpy is quite right. Its this kind of irrational response that the terrorists' act on. One borne out of some act that the West has inflicted upon them, or as they are regularly told by militant propaganda - is daily inflicted on others.

But I'm no extremist. Would I actually kill someone because they're from Saudi Arabia? No. My grievance is neither great enough nor personal enough. Obviously at the root of it all you'll have whatever actions are causing discontent: perceptions of zionist crusades, palastine etc. But lets be frank - what is the real catalyst? Relgion and religious extremists. Some of these people are so underpriviledged and naive that they will take the word of any man who might seem wise, righteous and holy. And therein you have "religious" leaders fomenting the problem with their venemous hate-doctrines and sending these men and their many victims to their death. It has little impact in the grand scheme of things. Not if you actually believe they're about changing the ways of the corrupt West or something anyway...

If Iraqi 'resistance' was about liberating Iraq from American tyranny, what is achieved by calling over hundreds of innocent Iraqi citizens under the guise of offering them work and then killing them all. What does that achieve? It puts a few more Iraqis in bodybags and undermines the attempt and fervent desire for Iraq to return to normality. And conceivably in the long run: Extremist Islamification through fear.

If I found myself with a vulnerable religious extremist on their knees, right at my feet, I would relish in not reporting such a finding to a single soul. I'd keep them as some sort of play thing, something to vent on, with something blunt. I would peel their skin. They're relgion's responsibility and a fucking cancer on this world.

 

[FightyF]

Ah well, you knew what I meant

And as I pointed out, I know its irrational. And Slurpy is quite right. Its this kind of irrational response that the terrorists' act on. One borne out of some act that the West has inflicted upon them, or as they are regularly told by militant propaganda - is daily inflicted on others.

But I'm no extremist. Would I actually kill someone because they're from Saudi Arabia? No. My grievance is neither great enough nor personal enough. Obviously at the root of it all you'll have whatever actions are causing discontent: perceptions of zionist crusades, palastine etc. But lets be frank - what is the real catalyst? Relgion and religious extremists. Some of these people are so underpriviledged and naive that they will take the word of any man who might seem wise, righteous and holy. And therein you have "religious" leaders fomenting the problem with their venemous hate-doctrines and sending these men and their many victims to their death. It has little impact in the grand scheme of things. Not if you actually believe they're about changing the ways of the corrupt West or something anyway...

If Iraqi 'resistance' was about liberating Iraq from American tyranny, what is achieved by calling over hundreds of innocent Iraqi citizens under the guise of offering them work and then killing them all. What does that achieve? It puts a few more Iraqis in bodybags and undermines the attempt and fervent desire for Iraq to return to normality. And conceivably in the long run: Extremist Islamification through fear.

If I found myself with a vulnerable religious extremist on their knees, right at my feet, I would relish in not reporting such a finding to a single soul. I'd keep them as some sort of play thing, something to vent on, with something blunt. I would peel their skin. They're relgion's responsibility and a fucking cancer on this world.

The first thing that needs to happen is to stop giving these people credibility by calling them "Islamic" or anything associated with that word. That said, the problem is a lack of understanding of religion, and having it used as a political tool.

I know you don't mean to...but that's exactly what is occurring. It's akin calling a pro-life whacko that kills doctors a "Christianist" or a "Crusader". They may call themselves that, but you are only supporting them by following their direction.

 

[isamu]

If you think that is fucked up, watch this. Go to that site and download the loan gun men vid. its crazy. That was the pilot for the show that got taken off the air. that was 19 months before 9-11 to. The loan gun men are the guys from the xfiles it was a spin off. Watch that vid its spookey.
http://www.metatech.org/911_conspiracy_wor...ade_center.html