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A German exchange student's account of "Trump Country" - in defense of rural USA

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Fritz

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I just read an article authored by 18 year old Paulina from Berlin who has just returned from her exchange high school year in Minnesota. As a German myself I thought it was quite eye opening, and might be equally for blue state US citizens as well.

It's really just peronal and anecdotal and since its from a foreign teenager with zero stakes in US politics I feel it doesn't drive any agenda.

This is my translation below. I tried to translate as accurate as possible. The original in German can be found here

Meet Paulina:

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An exchange year in small town USA
Do you believe in evolution?

At 17, our author, a left-liberal Berlin-based big-city girl, wants to go to New York - and landed amongst trump supporters in Minnesota. What now?

MINNESOTA taz | Gays and lesbians are disgusting, yells my new classmate, whose name I do not even know. When I refuse to tolerate that indignantly, she yells the sentence again through the classroom.

"You just do not understand it!" She cries.

"Maybe you just do not understand me either," I scream back.

Mr Johnson, our politics teacher, looks desperately through the room. Never before has there been such a controversy in one of his classes. Not at all on this subject. "Maybe you just do not listen to us, Paulina," says Mr Johnson after recovering.

I protest. But in reality, they are both right. Not in the matter, but in principle: It is my first day at the highschool, I am senior, thus in the graduation year. And I do not understand anything at all. And this is not about language barrier.

I spent the first 17 years of my life in Berlin. Attending a ecosocially committed progressive private school during the day I partied in Monbijou Park or at Admiralsbrücke, Kreuzberg, in the evening. A staunch vegetarian. When the question of whether I want to spend a year at a high school abroad arose, I thought: New York City, Los Angeles, San Francisco? Here I come!

Diner, gas station, 99 percent white

It then became the center of a corn field, as we say here. Minnesota. 55 minutes drive from a real metropolis. At least one thinks here that Minneapolis is a real metropolis.

My city has 1,500 inhabitants. 99 percent are white. A long history of Scandinavian immigrants. A main street, as you know them from movies. Gas station, fire station, dinner, pizzeria, bar, then you are outside city limits again.

When the notification came where I would land, my parents had said, "Hey, crazy, spend a year in real America." What they meant was not clear to me. But I still remember that I felt invincible.

And now I'm sitting in Mr Johnson's class and I feel that the world belongs to me less than ever before. Why does not anyone here protest when homosexuals are discriminated against? Why is Mr Johnson silent? When I go home from school on this first day, I can not believe it. That's what the US should be?

There are a number of so-called sensitive topics. Sensitive topics, where teachers are encouraged to enter into conflicts only if they do not harm the school and personal development of the students. Teachers should not take position. But this is very difficult to implement in the classroom, so that poor Mr Johnson often tries to avoid sensitive topics altogether. But sometimes things just take their course.

"Hillary kills babies"

I am placed in politics class next to Ashlie. This is the girl with whom I had the argument on the first day. Ashlie is very pretty, very socially engaged, very religious and has, as many here, very many siblings. In her case, there are ten.

As we discuss the advantages and disadvantages of the presidential candidates, she only croaks: "Hillary kills babies." Hillary kills small children.

I decide not to speak to her anymore.

Hillary is "pro-choice", which is considered not at all good. Trump is "pro-life", which is all great. To put it less US-American: Hillary is for legal abortions, Trump is against it.

No one else likes Hillary here. Nor President Obama. In the course of the school year, all we are talking about is what is good about Donald Trump.

The advantages of Trump

One time, Mr Johnson asks me to name the advantages and disadvantages of Trump in front of the class. I am particularly interested in the New York Times website, which every day describes him as mendacious, racist and incompetent. Therefore, I do not immediately recall any positive aspects of Trump.

"Well, difficult question," I stuttered. "He is rich, perhaps he can give something to the population."

Next to me, Ashlie begins to snort. And so loud that Mr Johnson did not get around calling her to speak. "The great thing about Trump is not that he could finance his campaign himself or give us some of his money. Why would I want money that I do not deserve? Money and material wealth are only really satisfying for me if I have earned it with my own hands. "

When talking, Ashlie gets louder and louder, and when I'm glad she's done, she starts again. "Trump shows us that the American dream is reality. He proofs that we can achieve everything and do not have to be ashamed of our own opinions. With Trump, for once somebody is not trying to pretend to be a good guy.“ She really says that. Just like that. I swear.

Many of my classmates nod.

I feel like I'm in a parallel universe. I am no longer in Berlin, at my school, at which teachers openly express their political opinions and pupils do the same. I do not know whether teachers can do this in Germany, ours do it anyway. Here in my tiny village in Minnesota people around me aren't green, left, against the AfD (rightwing German party mainly arising from anti Europe and anti immigration sentiments) and also with me on what is good and what is evil. What goes and what can not be done.

Do you believe in evolution?

In Berlin I say: homosexual marriage is self-evident, the evolution theory is true, a women's quota is important, welfare is super, God does not exist, but global warming is a real and great threat to mankind.

In Minnesota I can not say anything like it. Actually we never speak again as directly as in that first hour, we circumvent it.

We write a paper on the Big Bang in biology class. When Ashlie strikes out all the questions and simply writes down the story of creation from the Bible, she gets the full score.

Another girl at our table asks: "Do you believe in evolution theory?" "Well, at least she is more realistic than the theory of creation," I reply. The girl never greets me again in the hallway and does not even seem to see me anymore.

When Ashlie learns this, she grins. "The people here are not used to hearing something like this, Paulina," she says. "And do not believe I want to hear it. But I think you're interesting. "

The thing with Ashlie has developed unexpectedly. I am trying the first months really hard to find some connection, let alone friends. Everywhere are invisible walls. It becomes clear to me that if I insist in my different positions, I will also remain outside the community. That means alone. Because there is no one else. At some point I am done, I have consumed my energy and only listen silently when someone says "Hillary for prison 2k16."

A football game as a new beginning

But then, on a Friday evening, Ashlie calls me unexpectedly and asks if I would like to go to a football game. I had given her my number because of a joint presentation.

Football? With Ashlie? But since I only have dates with Netflix, I say yes.

It is my first football game, our high school against the school of neighbouring "Dullsville". The ultimate in week end for the whole area. The school band plays, it’s really not bad. The football jocks are considered hot all over the school. The audience scream "Let them bleed", let the opponents bleed.

After 20 minutes I am also riled up. „Wir machen euch fertig, ihr Arschlöcher."

Ops. This has probably slipped me out, in German, but people around me are all excited. "Arse-Loch" is one of the two German words that everyone knows. The other is „gesundheit". Spontaneously, a small chorus, roaring „arse-loch", emerges.

And so I find connections. From now on I am called "The German". But I'm in. And even if Ashlie is not in the "asshole" Chorus, because her religion forbids her to curse - from that day on, we begin to get along better and better.

You can not be a chooser here

"Paulina, if you do not share my opinion, then try to take them seriously and understand who I am," she says. Sounds a bit too pastoral to me, but I can not really be as vocal as in Berlin.

Besides, I like Ashlie.

For the first time, I have a friend with whom I do not agree at all about our view of the world, about how it is, and how it should be. We make it American and just do not talk about it anymore. Since politics class is over, that works fine.

I see now all the positive things about Ashlie. She’s very thoughtful. She does not constantly care about her looks like the others. She feels most comfortable when she is inconspicuous. Her mother is super nice; When I am with them, she cooks me with the greatest experimenting pleasure vegetarian food. The eleven children seem to be handled by her on the side.

Pray for Brussels

At the weekend I go to the church sometimes, otherwise there is not much god do. After the terrorist attack in Brussels, I get the idea to pray for the victims and their relatives. I immediately call my mother crying, "Help, what if I come back and are totally different?" A homophobic nun or something.

She thinks it's impossible, but I'm not so sure.

I realize that I really did not understand Ashlie at the beginning, just as she and Mr. Johnson had said. There is only one homosexual couple in our village. When I see them for the first time, I also change the road. This is not because they are homosexual, but very, very scruff.

But for many, they are the only homosexual couple they've seen in their lives. They think they are all equally negligent.

Over time, I note that most of my friends have never left the United States. Some not even Minnesota.

"Do you have electricity everywhere in Germany?"

"Are you Germans always drunk?"

"What language do you speak in Germany?"

These are not questions which are asked only once.

It is true that the US is very focused on itself, but it is also quite difficult to get out, geographically. Big country. Mountains, sea, everything there. Many have never been confronted with another language and have therefore developed a subconscious fear. The fear of being misunderstood abroad or not being able to make sense is great and is promoted by the media.

Fox News is running all day

"What man’s mentality in American history would be compared with Adolf Hitler?" Asks Mrs Bellter. The class's answer comes immediately: "Obama!"

As I spend more time with my American friends, I also realize where they have their political opinions from. In most households Fox News runs all day. There are constantly drawn comparisons between Obama and Hitler. As I experience it, Trump has practically sprung from this television news transmitter.

Example: On Monday we are sitting in our psychology class with Mrs Bellter. The educational promise is: college level. But it is the first hour and I am still close to sleep.

"What man in American history would be compared to the mentality of Adolf Hitler?" Asks Mrs Bellter. The answer comes immediately: "Obama!"

Immediately I am wide awake, but Mrs. Bellter just laughs. It is a rhetorical question, which she places only to her own and the amusement of the class.

"What is the problem with Obama?" I ask.

Everyone is laughing at me. As if that were really a question.

But, well, stupid: "He wants to give everyone health insurance."

And "He wants to take away our weapons."

There is no need to say more.

Hunting is here the hobby number one, the fear of the withdrawal of beloved guns great. My host parents had also pressed a gun into my hand immediately after my arrival.

Health insurance is unfair

When I tell them that in Germany all are insured, because there is a health insurance obligation, they are not at all enthusiastic.

"This is totally unfair, that people who do not work at all still get the same insurance as someone who works day and night. If I had worked hard for my wealth, it would be unfair if I did not have a better health insurance, „ says my host dad.

In my politics class in Berlin, we would teach him that he falls for an ideology that is designed to preserve class differences. In Minnesota, I accept that my host parents have a different notion of justice. And also of freedom. "It should be my decision, if I conclude a health insurance," says my host mother. "There is no free man when the state does everything."

I answer: "For me justice is when all have equal opportunities."

Sometimes I feel like I've landed in a country where a dog's life counts more than a Muslim's. At lunch, people are often talking about fear of the IS and refugees. "I can not believe that Obama wants us to get refugees. I do not understand why other countries can not take them, "says my friend Paul.

Exactly, says everyone.

When I show in a moderate tone that Germany has absorbed nearly one million refugees, and that almost all no other country takes responsibility, it becomes quiet. "Maybe we should take a few from Germany," Paul says. In the near future, no one dares to talk about the refugee crisis in front of me.

"Be careful, there are lesbians in Minneapolis"

When we go to the city for shopping, we are schooled by the adults beforehand. "Be careful, there are lesbians in Minneapolis,“ they say. Another time, Ashlie's mother says, "If you see Muslim-looking people at the mall, you'll get out right away."

First you do not know whether to laugh or cry. But the truth is that since 9/11 a huge fear of terrorism has been haunting Americans. And the fear they associate with Muslims and thus also with Muslim refugees.

Even at my village school there are weekly terrorism protection exercises. Then suddenly it echoes from the loudspeakers: "This school is on a lockdown. Teachers, please secure your areas. "Then the light is settled and the door closed. All the students must sit under their tables and stay there for a while. Terrorism is probably the greatest fear of people here. "We have to arm the teachers," Mr. Johnson says at every opportunity. He often forgets that he is not to have any political position.

With my host family I also visit American cities. According to my standards, in New York, Chicago and Washington, D.C. everything's OK". Same as our big cities. The way people think and talk, it reminds me of my life in Berlin.

But I realize at some point what all had meant with real America. To a large extent, the USA is not New York, but what I have experienced. People living in villages between cornfields.

What really nobody should know

And now something strange happened. My American school friends go to college, most of them in Minnesota. And I am back in Berlin, and my friends here say: "Fortunately, you have not become so American."

But I'm not sure.

If one of my German friends is now talking about "the Americans" and about how stupid these idiots are to choose Trump, I say, "You do not understand that." I tell them that maybe they would vote for Trump if they had been brought up somewhere between corn fields with completely different values.

I very much hope that Hillary Clinton will be president. I hope so too for those who want Trump. But when I think of the people there, I do not see any stupid idiots in front of me, but people who like Trump and have brought me to the point of being able to treat others respectfully, even if one thinks fundamentally differently.

No one in my school can know that, but I can even imagine being in a relationship with someone who votes CDU (Germany’s major center right party and party of Angela Merkel).

Paulina Unfried, now 18, is a student

Since it's really just a peronal account I am afraid there is not much to discuss. Just wanted to share and thought it might be interesting to people here.
 
Leaving the echo chamber really helps shaping perspective, not everything is black and white. If I was brought up in such an environment I'd probably think Trump was a good candidate as well.
 

Media

Member
I grew up in a village of 500, so I can confirm it's true. Everything she said hit a note with me. It's amazing I turned out the way I did. I blame the internet, which I had access to early because my mom pulled strings and worked her ass off thinking it would educated her nerdy kids.

We also had a German exchange student, and she was baffled by a lot of stuff. Though she was gorgeous and popular back home, she gravitated toward 'the outcasts' simply because our way of thinking was closed to what she was used to.
 

obin_gam

Member
Two Swedish journalists have traveled to Grundy, Virginia to do a sort of investigation on why that town is the strongest foothold Trump has: In Trumpland with Filip & Fredrik
It gives a great understanding on how even POCs want to vote for Trump. Basically, the issues of jobs are much more important than if a guy is likeable or not.
Here are some clips with meetings of people in Grundy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-ySOTddQ2M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9x4gt0ImIc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjDVvJc2VO0
 

Dylan

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I mean, it's well written, but the main crux seems to be "These people aren't dumb, they are just raised dumb". Which to me, isn't really a whole world of difference.

Also, it seems to suggest that these kids have no way of finding information that isn't enclosed within their own town. They still have the ability to read, they still have the internet, so I don't think the 'small town echo chamber' excuse really holds as much weight as it used to.
 
Thanks for translating that, Fritz. Always nice to see another person's perspective.

I understood pretty much all of it except this: "It is my first football game, our high school against the school of the closest coffin."

Coffin?
 

CoolOff

Member
"This is totally unfair, that people who do not work at all still get the same insurance as someone who works day and night. If I had worked hard for my wealth, it would be unfair if I did not have a better health insurance, „ says my host dad.

Fuck. Off.
 

Zyae

Member
This idea of "real" america id absurd. Palin tried to pull this shit. These people have their own concerns, ideals, thoughts and their own reasons for having these views but that does not mean that they cannot be uninformed or simply wrong. The notion that small town America is "real" is ridiculous as most of the country lives in city or urban centers.
 
I mean, it's well written, but the main crux seems to be "These people aren't dumb, they are just raised dumb". Which to me, isn't really a whole world of difference.

Also, it seems to suggest that these kids have no way of finding information that isn't enclosed within their own town. They still have the ability to read, they still have the internet, so I don't think the 'small town echo chamber' excuse really holds as much weight as it used to.

Why those local school board elections are so important I'm sure. I'd assume they've been dominated by conservatives for decades now.
 

Fritz

Member
Thanks for translating that, Fritz. Always nice to see another person's perspective.

I understood pretty much all of it except this: "It is my first football game, our high school against the school of the closest coffin."

Coffin?

Oh, I ran it through google translate first and then went through the whole thing and corrected the too literal translation. This must have escaped me. And seriously: No clue what the original might have said here. lol

I'll check and correct it.

Edit:

the neighbouring village. The Gemran text calls it Kaff which would be a derogatory term for a small village. Google translated it as coffin. Close Google.
 
Thank you for the thread, Firtz. Well done and much better than your other OT.

It's interesting to see this perspective, even if it's just from the other extreme. I also refuse to believe that creationism can get you full score in science class. That is just wrong.
 
well, yes. rural America and urban America are completely different

but by any measurement you can come up with other than 'geographic area', rural America hasn't been "real America" for quite some time
 
It's one of the most ridiculous things about the USA how everyone is so into patriotism and god but if it about helping each other for real then everything is forgotten.
 
This idea of "real" america id absurd. Palin tried to pull this shit. These people have their own concerns, ideals, thoughts and their own reasons for having these views but that does not mean that they cannot be uninformed or simply wrong. The notion that small town America is "real" is ridiculous as most of the country lives in city or urban centers.

Well, it's 100% real given the results of this election. You're right in that those people outside of cities do have their own issues and experiences. And they expressed that quite clearly by getting riled up over a person like Trump.

I agree they are uninformed in many ways and wrong in the face of science, but as a result, the approach has to be different to even begin to have a shot in addressing them and winning them over. Not that you would win over all at all, but at least enough of a percentage...
 

PixelatedBookake

Junior Member
I consider this perspective occasionally and how these people were raised to believe such things. I also think about the hand-me-down racism prevalent in these environments and how they consider me and people of my ilk as "monkeys" or "subhuman" which leads me to believe that being raised a certain way isn't a defense for your beliefs. I'm not going to sit down with a racist and explain why racism is bad. No one should. I don't like the idea of condoning one's beliefs because they were raised to believe it.
 

jelly

Member
It's a shame they can't break free, just a vicious cycle. There is a lot of that around the world. There needs to be a lot more ground work to help, maybe impenetrable though with FOX news.
 

Zips

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People living in isolation from other peoples and cultures, with minimal information or debate, grow up fearing and despising what is not part of the established group.

She lived in the environment for a while, and it began to impact her too by separating her from her accustomed environment. Shocker.

People need to live together to understand one another and shed their fear. Insular and homogenous small towns lead to the environment she encountered.
 

Eidan

Member
This idea of "real" america id absurd. Palin tried to pull this shit. These people have their own concerns, ideals, thoughts and their own reasons for having these views but that does not mean that they cannot be uninformed or simply wrong. The notion that small town America is "real" is ridiculous as most of the country lives in city or urban centers.
I have to say, I've lost all patience with the dual infantilization and deification of rural America and working class whites.
 

Slayven

Member
Assuming we all be alive, I would like to see her go back in a year and talk to them again.

I think it would be interesting.
 

Dierce

Member
It's one of the most ridiculous things about the USA how everyone is so into patriotism and god but if it about helping each other for real then everything is forgotten.
They are patriotic to some white jesus who in their minds founded america on the basis of being white.

They hate all the good things that actually made america great, AKA its diversity and being the melting pot of the world.
 

Hagi

Member
I mean, it's well written, but the main crux seems to be "These people aren't dumb, they are just raised dumb". Which to me, isn't really a whole world of difference.

Also, it seems to suggest that these kids have no way of finding information that isn't enclosed within their own town. They still have the ability to read, they still have the internet, so I don't think the 'small town echo chamber' excuse really holds as much weight as it used to.

Isn't this where something like Fox News comes into play? It's not really about getting information so much as what information they get. How do you challenge someone's world view when it's catered to by a 24 hour news cycle, radio shows, right wing websites or pundits. Couple that with them living in small towns where most people think the same and are brought up the same it's a hard thing to breakthrough.
 
Paulina came away with a terrible point unfortunately.

She was forced to agree with bigots and racists for a full year or else her safety would be jeopardized and now she rationalizes it by saying she became more tolerant and understanding. She now thinks this is the "real" America and that their hateful lifestyles and deplorable ways of thinking are legitimate and acceptable.

Sorry the for the trauma you had to endure Paulina, but no one should be subjected to hate and the abuse you had to go through.
 

mnz

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Kinda sounds like her mind would be blown if she drove 1 or 2 hours and visited rural East Germany lol
 

bengraven

Member
This hits really really hard.

I grew up three hours from Minneapolis in small town nearly the same as that described by Paulina. Our town was larger, with a larger immigrant population, so the things said in that classroom would not have happened without more voices against them. But I know that my small city was orbited by even smaller towns, some of which would travel to my city for school (and had numerous warnings about what to do if confronted by "Mexicans or Asians") or had their own high schools with maybe 10 people per grade. I can see this happening in the former.

To this day my cousins who grew up in towns of 500 where their graduation class was maybe 8 people (that they knew from kindergarten) continue to post the most horrific things about people who's color and religion they've never even come into contact about. About how Obama has fucked rural America. Guns being taken away, etc.

One of these cousins had a German student like Paulina staying with them for a year due to exchange. I was told the girl was crazy, kind of stupid. My cousin defended her from the same shit he would later post on his Facebook. I found out the reason was because he was trying to get in her pants. Sure enough, he wormed his way into her pants after numerous late nights stalking her in her room, and after a pregnancy scare my ex-aunt (his mom divorced my blood uncle) sent her to live with another host family. My cousin then decided to inform everyone the real reason was that she celebrated our grandfather's death, a WWII veteran, and was secretly a white supremacist. I stopped spending time with that cousin.

I no longer feel homesick after reading this and remembering the things I would have to put up with if I moved back home.
 

RainForce

Banned
That sounds like an echo chamber tbh. Not saying that in response to accusations of liberal echo chambers, more like it seems to be a concept everywhere unfortunatrly.
 

PixelatedBookake

Junior Member
Paulina came away with a terrible point unfortunately.

She was forced to agree with bigots and racists for a full her or else her safety would be jeopardized and now she rationalizes it by saying she became more tolerant and understanding. She now thinks this is the "real" America and that their hateful lifestyles and deplorable ways of thinking are legitimate and acceptable.

Sorry the for the trauma you had to endure Paulina, but no one should be subjected to hate and the abuse you had to go through.

And every kid who considers that racism is wrong, or maybe the Bible does have questionable morals, or maybe healthcare should be available to everyone will be shut down and forced to conform to the zeitgeist in fear of becoming an outcast.
 

Fritz

Member
Thank you for the thread, Firtz. Well done and much better than your other OT.

It's interesting to see this perspective, even if it's just from the other extreme. I also refuse to believe that creationism can get you full score in science class. That is just wrong.

lub u

it's Fritz btw
 
Paulina came away with a terrible point unfortunately.

She was forced to agree with bigots and racists for a full year or else her safety would be jeopardized and now she rationalizes it by saying she became more tolerant and understanding. She now thinks this is the "real" America and that their hateful lifestyles and deplorable ways of thinking are legitimate and acceptable.

Sorry the for the trauma you had to endure Paulina, but no one should be subjected to hate and the abuse you had to go through.

I don't know how this isn't the "real america". Judging by our election results, it seems like they have more a claim to that title than anyone else.

Also, she doesn't say that their beliefs are acceptable. Just that if you grew up in a shithole with no education system and no outside input there's a good chance that ignorance would turn into Trump support, which isn't an incorrect statement.
 

finowns

Member
Wait. Why would you need to be warned about lesbians at the mall, are lesbians particularly dangerous in Minnesota?
 

Hagi

Member
Wait. Why would you need to be warned about lesbians at the mall, are lesbians particularly dangerous in Minnesota?

They might have hit her with a dildo and dragged her off to one of the lesbian camps in their capital city of Lesbos.
 

RevenWolf

Member
I don't know how this isn't the "real america". Judging by our election results, it seems like they have more a claim to that title than anyone else.

Also, she doesn't say that their beliefs are acceptable. Just that if you grew up in a shithole with no education system and no outside input there's a good chance that ignorance would turn into Trump support, which isn't an incorrect statement.

Yup, and those saying they need to educate themselves, this just shows how they're in an echo chamber. Why would someone seek education on something that has been established true constantly in their entire world?

When you grow up in environment full of bias and echo chambers, you have no reason to question everything because your not taught to.

Also that health insurance line makes my skin crawl :(
 

Fritz

Member
It kinda confirms a theory that has come up recently. This didvide we experience in the US as well as in Europe is much less left/right, blue collar/white collar, etc. but urban and rural. Berlin is freaking miles away (metaphorically speaking) from rural Saxony. And Germany is still densely populated. I can only imagine the scale of this effect in the US as described in this account.
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
If it's about jobs and these people were informed, theyes wouldn't keep on voting for Republicans.
 
Doesn't help that you have states like Texas mandating that children are taught from text books containing revisionist history.
 

Savitar

Member
The only way for such people to change is to start associating with people other than what they normally associate with. You can't change hearts and minds alone with debates, regular meetings between people as......people that is what is needed. Once people see some are not evil or vicious or trying to do anything wrong they tend to start accepting others, but they need to see it for their own selves, to realize all that they heard is not always true. Association is key.
 

Melon Husk

Member
-There are a number of so-called sensitive topics. Sensitive topics, where teachers are encouraged to enter into conflicts only if they do not harm the school and personal development of the students. Teachers should not take position.
-We write a paper on the Big Bang in biology class.
-Fox News is running all day
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-Why are there "sensitive topics"?
-Why are they writing about Big Bang theory in biology class?
-Why is political propaganda allowed to operate under "news" moniker?

Oh right, I know why. Failed by the news and their teachers, or more definitively, Murdoch's political propaganda tool and sapless teaching standards.
 
In Berlin I say: homosexual marriage is self-evident, the evolution theory is true, a women's quota is important, welfare is super, God does not exist, but global warming is a real and great threat to mankind.

In Minnesota I can not say anything like it. Actually we never speak again as directly as in that first hour, we circumvent it.
Wonder how the difference between Berlin and small town Germany is. Or go across the border for a little and compare it to small town Poland, Hungary, etc. I mean, it's not like same-sex marriage is self-evident in Germany, considering they have not pushed it through yet.
 

mcw

Member
Thank you for the thread, Firtz. Well done and much better than your other OT.

It's interesting to see this perspective, even if it's just from the other extreme. I also refuse to believe that creationism can get you full score in science class. That is just wrong.

When I was in high school, my biology teacher refused to teach us about evolution. She used that day to lead the class in a mockery session about how stupid the idea of evolution was.

Look, I grew up in a small town. Everything this girl writes is true. It frustrates me specifically because I fucking love those people. I grew up around them. They were kinder to me, to a person, than any person I have met in the five years I've lived in the Bay Area. It was from them that I learned about caring and compassion, something that's harder to find our here, honestly.

I'm raising my son out here instead of moving back home because I understand first-hand how dangerous it is to grow up in a place without any diversity. But I also want to find a way to broaden their horizons back home. Nothing is going to change if I adopt a "fuck off" attitude toward an entire class of people.
 
This is absolutely stupid and wrong... she now also avoids the gay couple and changes lane? Because.. they look scruff? OK.. you can't walk next to them for a few seconds?

She basically settled for a new normal.

The fact that these people aren't monsters (unless they start acting on their beliefs either physically or verbally towards those they hate) isn't some revelation. These are all just people. Uneducated, uncivilized, without empathy or wisdom, but still people.

Wonder how the difference between Berlin and small town Germany is. Or go across the border for a little and compare it to small town Poland, Hungary, etc. I mean, it's not like same-sex marriage is self-evident in Germany, considering they have not pushed it through yet.

Huge difference in mentality between Berlin and small rural German village.
 

Fritz

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Wonder how the difference between Berlin and small town Germany is. Or go across the border for a little and compare it to small town Poland, Hungary, etc. I mean, it's not like same-sex marriage is self-evident in Germany, considering they have not pushed it through yet.

Contrast is certainly similar to the one that is described here. I'ld argue it shouldn't be as krass since a city like Berlin is probably still not as progressive as NYC or LA and the most backwater village is probably not as secluded as some small town in rural USA.


But really, same symptoms here. Europe's coming elections will probably be as much waking calls as the US election has been.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
My take away, is that it is absolutely beyond critical that the Dems take back control of the government. Appeals of "why can't Trump voters just be decent, empathetic people?" miss the point, which is that their definition of "decency" and ours are totally different. As we yell at them to open their eyes they're doing the same thing to us. It's like console wars on a geopolitical scale.

Except on NeoGAF we have moderation that can step in to quell or redirect vitriol from either side. The only analog to moderation that exists for the country are the branches of government. We can't rely on time and the internet (especially not the internet as it is now) to gradually bleed away the ignorance. For every person that escapes that echo chamber, many more are indoctrinated in it, and that's another generation lost.
 
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