Emerson said:I've only read like 5 or 6 chapters of ADWD and I'm already dreading the wait until The Howlands of Winter. That book is clearly gonna be ridiculously good.
Nesotenso said:I am worried about getting my order from Amazon Prime on the 12th. My order hasn't shipped yet. Anyone else in the same situation ?
You can probably just go into a Wal Mart and find a stack.BlueTsunami said:I wonder if I'll be able to walk into a store on the 12th and pick up a copy
06nbarnhill said:Ok so I downloaded the first book on my Nook.
Massively dissapointed in that I don't feel like I am getting ANY more info from the book than the show.....I quit 1/4 the way though because its easier to just rewatch the show -.-
Is there a specific book I can start on that will pick up where the season left off? Or are they just enough different than the books that I would be totally lost having not read the whole first book?
06nbarnhill said:Ok so I downloaded the first book on my Nook.
Massively dissapointed in that I don't feel like I am getting ANY more info from the book than the show.....I quit 1/4 the way though because its easier to just rewatch the show -.-
Is there a specific book I can start on that will pick up where the season left off? Or are they just enough different than the books that I would be totally lost having not read the whole first book?
Oh, trust me, you'll get info that wasn't in the show.06nbarnhill said:Ok so I downloaded the first book on my Nook.
Massively dissapointed in that I don't feel like I am getting ANY more info from the book than the show.....I quit 1/4 the way though because its easier to just rewatch the show -.-
Is there a specific book I can start on that will pick up where the season left off? Or are they just enough different than the books that I would be totally lost having not read the whole first book?
Nix said:So...I finished the first book, and didn't exactly see what all the craze is about. It's certainly intersting, if you take into consideration the premise, but isn't it just a standard fantasy? Can anyone elaborate on why it's so good before I go ahead and buy book two?
You...you shut your dirty fucking mouth!Nix said:So...I finished the first book, and didn't exactly see what all the craze is about. It's certainly intersting, if you take into consideration the premise, but isn't it just a standard fantasy? Can anyone elaborate on why it's so good before I go ahead and buy book two?
you haven't read much fantasy, have you?Nix said:So...I finished the first book, and didn't exactly see what all the craze is about. It's certainly intersting, if you take into consideration the premise, but isn't it just a standard fantasy? Can anyone elaborate on why it's so good before I go ahead and buy book two?
What is 'standard fantasy' to you? Because A Game of Thrones is far from that.Nix said:So...I finished the first book, and didn't exactly see what all the craze is about. It's certainly intersting, if you take into consideration the premise, but isn't it just a standard fantasy? Can anyone elaborate on why it's so good before I go ahead and buy book two?
Not necessarily. Just two words:bengraven said:Mysteries and mysteries being solved finally after 15 fucking years. Including the ONE big fan theory I thought was pure bullshit and most of us did as well, but is in fact totally true.
MASSIVE SPOILER:"The prince that was promised" is still alive...remember the House of the Undying and you'll know who I'm talking about. Tywin wasn't as thorough as he thought.
QuiteWhittle said:Not necessarily. Just two words:Mummer's Dragon
Never thought of it that way. That makes a lot of sense.bengraven said:Mummer = Varys. Dragon = Aegon. He's not a fake dragon, he's a dragon that's protected by a mummer, Varys.
Possibly?
QuiteWhittle said:Never thought of it that way. That makes a lot of sense.
Basileus777 said:ADWD spoilers.As dumb as I thought pulling Aegon out of a hat was at first, I ended up liking it because he and Connington did the sensible thing (as opposed to criminally retarded Dany) and actually went to Westeros. I would have hated it if Aegon ended up as another Dany suitor like Quintyn Martell. Quintyn is the worst character in the book, and I cheered when he met his fate.
PhoenixDark said:Still hasn't shipped for me. I'm not worried though!
For those who are reading/have finished, are there any big battles? That Werthead review has me excited for some
bengraven said:Dammit, the first part of your spoiler made me go "yeah, totally" but then I read the second part and I'm not there yet. haha fuck. Oh well, let's me know not to invest much into him - not that I was anyway.
PhoenixDark said:For those who are reading/have finished, are there any big battles? That Werthead review has me excited for some
Puddles said:I thought, as many did, that the Meereenese knot was just GRRM trying to get Dany out of Westeros. I always thought he could have just skipped the whole thing by just having Dany say "fuck it" and leave.
How wrong I was. It's so much more than that. No wonder this book took forever to write.
The Meereenese knot is basically the whole point of the book, 605 pages in. EVERYONE is trying to get to Dany. It looks like it's going to culminate in a massive battle at the city.
ZephyrFate said:What is 'standard fantasy' to you? Because A Game of Thrones is far from that.
Nix said:I've read alot of books that deal with fantasy, and even some comics, etc, that are interesting, but don't usually have much in the way of characterization and devolve with subsequent entries. So I'm just wondering if it gets better from book 2 onwards.
Emerson said:It does get much better, but... what you're describing is so inaccurate to describe the first book. Lack of characterization? What?
Dresden said:It has the beats of good historical fiction with elements of fantasy. That's always been my take on it.
ZephyrFate said:That kind of gives the impression that ASOIAF is more fantastical than it actually is, though. I would not call it high fantasy by any means.
Emerson said:I don't see the point of this debate when everyone knows exactly what was intended to be said. While there are plenty of fantasy elements, this is not Wheel of Time or any other "high fantasy" series.
Dresden said:/shrug
Kay's work is much more 'traditional' fantasy than ASOIAF, from what I've read. ASOIAF's earlier focus on the more mundane aspects of its setting along with a character-focused approach to storytelling in a genre dominated by concept fiction makes it feel more like historical fiction. It's still fantasy, of course.
/shrugBasileus777 said:Eh, there really isn't anything historical about ASOIAF. Something like Guy Gavriel Kay's books blur the line between fantasy and historical fiction, but Martin's world is just a secondary world fantasy.
Emerson said:The reason people are using the historical fiction analogy is because it's one GRRM likes to use himself. I don't think anyone is actually denying that ASOIAF is fantasy. Regardless of what label you want to give it, it is less fantastical than the majority of books in the genre. I don't think that's debatable, and I don't think anyone really tried to say anything besides that.
Basileus777 said:Sorry about that. I should have been more discreet with stuff from later in the book.
There are no real big battles. One might have happened off-screen, but you don't learn for sure what happened.
Complete book ADWD spoilers.It's too soon to tell about this because the Merenese Knot isn't done with in ADWD. Hell, only Quentyn Martell actually reaches Dany and Dany ends up farther from Westeros than where she started off.
Basileus777 said:It's a fantasy story set in a fictional world. It is explicitly a fantasy story, and it reads like one. The whole series is based around the notion of variable seasons that can last for years, which is clearly a magical phenomenon.