talisayNon said:wait GRRM is a Jets fan?
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Jets and Giants because he's lame like that.
talisayNon said:wait GRRM is a Jets fan?
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Probably so no one would find out where the poison came from. Also this way no evidence will point to the Tyrells, but rather to Tyrion.Ranvier said:So my ambitious re-reading of all 4 books before the release of Dance didn't exactly pan out. I'm about 3/4s of the way through Storm of Swords with Dance sitting on my desk beckoning me to crack it open and take a peak.
And since Dance came out, I've avoided this thread like the plague lest I accidentally get spoiled but the part where Joffery chokes to death has really been nagging at me. Now what I gleaned from the book is that Sansa's hairnet had amethysts that were poisoned with the same stuff that Maester on Dragon Stone tried to kill Melisandre with. When the Queen of Thorns fixes Sansa's hairnet, she plucks a amethyst from one of the clasps (which Sansa finds later to be missing) and drops it into giant chalice Joffery is drinking out of causing him to choke. And I think in Feast when they do the autopsy, a piece of pie isn't found in his throat to further prove he was poisoned. Tyrion at the end of the book just says, "I killed your son" to Jaime as revenge for the whole thing that happened to him with that girl when he was 13.
Anyway, my question is why did they have to go through all the hoops of giving Sansa the hairnet with the poison, making sure she wore it and making sure Joffery got close to her during the wedding? It seems overly complicated where a lot of things could have gone wrong. Why couldn't the Queen of Thorns simply have had the poison in hand and dropped it in when she went to congratulate Joffery and Margery?
elrechazao said:I was a defender of dany chapters in the other books, but 90% through with adwd and I couldn't be less interested in these stupid chapters. All of these ghiscari have the same name, I'm not remotely interested in this area of the world, these stupid court politics, the slave cities, or any of it.
Yeah I was telling my girlfriend, who has just started GOT, the same thing. It's especially bad because we know she's eventually going to end up in Westoros, so all of this is pointless filler bullshit anyway. It sucks because I love Dany so much, but I always groan when I come upon her chapters.elrechazao said:I was a defender of dany chapters in the other books, but 90% through with adwd and I couldn't be less interested in these stupid chapters. All of these ghiscari have the same name, I'm not remotely interested in this area of the world, these stupid court politics, the slave cities, or any of it.
elrechazao said:Davos is such a boss, I wish there were more of him in this book. I assume we'll have a lot more next book.
Last Hearth said:With ASOS people complained that Dany was way too smart for a 16 year old girl, that's she's a Mary Sue and everything just works out way too perfectly for her.
Now everything she touches turns to ash and people complain that she's too stupid and making too many mistakes..
GRRM can't win either way.
WE NEED A SHAVEPATE SPINOFF SERIESezrarh said:Her fascination with Daario was just ughh. Count me in as another anti-Dany person. Her chapters were just hard to read. I wish all the Essos characters and Meereen never existed.
edit: Like q_q says, we already know she'll get to Westeros (otherwise it was stupid to even have her in the book) and I personally think her interactions with the Westeros populous and how she wins them over would be much more interesting than the politics in Essos with random characters we don't really care about because we know they won't make a difference when she leaves Meereen.
HarryHengst said:I really hope the next book shows more of Oldtown and the maesters in the citadel through Sam. I'm pretty sure the idea is to go towards some sort of magic/science clash, with the maesters trying to rid the world of magic, but the dragons/others bringing it back in the world again. Also Jaqen H'ghar/Pate is in Oldtown doing god knows what.
It's quite obvious Jon's not really going to be dead. GRRM left too many clues. Plus his stabbing scene fulfills the prophecy of Azor Ahai.Puddles said:Having the Watch kill Jon was an idiotic decision, IMO. I see four ways this can go: 1) Jon is dead, which would completely suck, or 2) Jon's spirit now inhabits Ghost, which would suck, or 3) Jon is reborn as Azor whatever, which takes the book deeper into Wheel of Time territory and farther from the grounded medieval political drama with light magic that made it so popular in the first place, or 4) Jon survives the attack. But even if he survives, he's obviously no longer commanding the Night's Watch, so this option sucks too. Four options, and all four of them suck. Way to go, George.
I actually enjoyed his chapters a lot. I love anything to do with the greenseers, the weirwoods and the prophecies, and seeing a legend of Westerosi lore up close was cool too. I have a feeling Bran will do more than just watch everything from the North like Brynden has been doing.The Bran storyline has jumped the shark. It was cool when he was a cripple who could enter the consciousness of a wolf or Hodor, but now he's going to become a greenseer thousands of miles away from everything. I guess that would be cool if it had happened earlier in the series, but I can't see how he's going to get close enough to the action to influence things in a satisfying manner (having him remote control a dragon from thousands of miles away wouldn't be very satisfying, IMO).
You really think this happened? Come on dude. Ramsay is just a butthurt little bitch who needed to rage about getting embarrassed by Mance and his girls. This dude didn't do shit. Plus there's no way GRRM would do all of that stuff off screen. It's just a horrible attempt at faking out the audience, same as Davos' "death" in AFFC.Stannis getting defeated offscreen was ridiculous. We spend like a hundred tedious pages reading about them getting bogged down by snow, only to have the battle summed up in a letter by Ramsay Bolton.
Thats pretty much the way I see it as well, unless he decides to do a time jump at the beginning of the next book.Basileus777 said:This series is going to need 8 or 9 books to be completed. The idea of 7 books being enough is laughable. I've actually accepted that we won't likely see the end of ASOIAF.
golem said:Thats pretty much the way I see it as well, unless he decides to do a time jump at the beginning of the next book.
Besides that issue, there's a million plot threads dangling around that can't be brushed aside for any significant length of time. ASOS left most characters at a point where a timeskip seemed plausible, after ADWD it's nothing like that at all.Nesotenso said:Yeah a time skip would be detrimental and he would face the same problems he faced the first time around, characters referring/reflecting to what happened in the past too often.
Puddles said:So Manderly was feeding them the flesh of those three Freys?
Pkaz01 said:So what does everyone think about Arya? I think she will eventually leave the FM but I don't know how or what will be the final enough is enough moment for her. There is no way she can still lose her ears, legs, and all that in two books.
And who or what is Izembaro?
The interesting part about that was that she is just now starting her apprenticeship, so does that mean she will be a shadow to a higher up FM or continue her training under another teacher. Either way I don't see her going far enough in her training to lose her ears or whatever they promised to do.Basileus777 said:I thought Izembaro was the person she was being sent to, but I suppose it could be a place. The most interesting thing is that Faceless Men apparently don't get sent to kill people they know, so that leaves out a lot of theories about Arya's fate.
She's not having a trial by combat, she's having a trial of the faith. Cersei is having trial by combat.Puddles said:I really wish Margaery's trial by combat had been included in Book 5. I wanted to see Zombie Gregor in action. It was built up so much in Book 4.
Nesotenso said:Quick question because its been a long time i read AFFC. Does Sam recognize Bran when he meets him ?