Spying on someone is betraying them.ultron87 said:I feel like Littlefinger is beyond just wanting gold though. Also, I feel like the betrayal would have to be from someone that was actually one her side initially.
Also, I don't think Jorah was the betrayal for love. Or at least not yet. He hasn't really done anything yet that would actually count as a betrayal.
Pikelet said:Spying on someone is betraying them.
Thai said:I love all the "family words" of the major houses! OURS IS THE FURY!
If you had to make something up for your fam, what would it be?
ultron87 said:But he was doing that way before he started loving her, so I wouldn't call that a "betrayal for love". And once he did start to love her he stopped spying, right?
Yes but when he didthat he didn't love her...thus he could not have been the betrayal for love.fanboi said:Yes, but he was still the reason she almost got assasinated...
I'm thinking Benjen...but i'm probably wrong.speedpop said:So do we have any decent ideas as to the identity of Coldhands yet?
No...just ADWD spoilers.gutshot said:Question: are we tagging Dunk & Egg spoilers? Well, just in case...
I like the Bloodraven theory myself.
I mean I think he is probably a new character, but if he's not Benjen where the hell did Benjen go? I'm not convinced brother Stark is dead.bengraven said:I'm still convinced he's a new character.
That said, we'll get more clues in Dance since Bran has a few chapters.
zmoney said:I mean I think he is probably a new character, but if he's not Benjen where the hell did Benjen go? I'm not convinced brother Stark is dead.
You think Benjen might appear as a "big bad" later on?bengraven said:His character is significant, but why?
1) was he secretly going off to consort with the Others or the Children? Maybe the Children, which is why he left Jon the means to kill them (the bundle under the Fist). If so, maybe he's safe with the Children.
2) maybe his being a Stark is important. Nan told Bran that The Night King who lost his name and deeds in the Watch history was a Stark as well. Maybe that's important.
Just can't wait.
zmoney said:You think Benjen might appear as a "big bad" later on?
bengraven said:Mind Blown.
I'm reading the prologue to Feast and I wiki the characters, wondering if any of them are important. (I noticed that Walgrave seemed to know Maester Cresson)
Alleras, Pate's friend, is the son of a Dornishman and a Summer Island trader. He's amazing with a bow and has forged three of his chains already in just one year of being at the Citadel.
So I Google it and my mind is blown.
Alleras backwards is "Sarella". Sarella Sand, the daughter of The Red Viper of Dorne and a Summer Island trader, is also the only of Oberyn's bastards that is unaccounted for in Dorne. Doran says: "leave her to her game".
So the "bowman" and child prodigy Alleras in the prologue, is actually a female and one of the Sand Snakes, Oberyn Martell's bastard daughter.
jon bones said:fuckin a mate
Count of Monte Sawed-Off said:Yup, I totally missed that too and found out later on the internet. Blew my mind.
gutshot said:Heh, that was one of the few I actually caught myself while reading. *pats himself on back*
Emerson said:I don't really think Benjen is Coldhands, since there's so much implication that he's an older force and something about being unable to cross the wall. But I agree that Benjen will return. GRRM had ample opportunity to reveal his death by now if he wanted.
holy crapbengraven said:Mind Blown.
I'm reading the prologue to Feast and I wiki the characters, wondering if any of them are important. (I noticed that Walgrave seemed to know Maester Cresson)
Alleras, Pate's friend, is the son of a Dornishman and a Summer Island trader. He's amazing with a bow and has forged three of his chains already in just one year of being at the Citadel.
So I Google it and my mind is blown.
Alleras backwards is "Sarella". Sarella Sand, the daughter of The Red Viper of Dorne and a Summer Island trader, is also the only of Oberyn's bastards that is unaccounted for in Dorne. Doran says: "leave her to her game".
So the "bowman" and child prodigy Alleras in the prologue, is actually a female and one of the Sand Snakes, Oberyn Martell's bastard daughter.
bengraven said:Mind Blown.
I'm reading the prologue to Feast and I wiki the characters, wondering if any of them are important. (I noticed that Walgrave seemed to know Maester Cresson)
Alleras, Pate's friend, is the son of a Dornishman and a Summer Island trader. He's amazing with a bow and has forged three of his chains already in just one year of being at the Citadel.
So I Google it and my mind is blown.
Alleras backwards is "Sarella". Sarella Sand, the daughter of The Red Viper of Dorne and a Summer Island trader, is also the only of Oberyn's bastards that is unaccounted for in Dorne. Doran says: "leave her to her game".
So the "bowman" and child prodigy Alleras in the prologue, is actually a female and one of the Sand Snakes, Oberyn Martell's bastard daughter.
Thai said:I love all the "family words" of the major houses! OURS IS THE FURY!
If you had to make something up for your fam, what would it be?
....holy shit! I don't think i'll be able to finish my reread before the next book :[bengraven said:Mind Blown.
I'm reading the prologue to Feast and I wiki the characters, wondering if any of them are important. (I noticed that Walgrave seemed to know Maester Cresson)
Alleras, Pate's friend, is the son of a Dornishman and a Summer Island trader. He's amazing with a bow and has forged three of his chains already in just one year of being at the Citadel.
So I Google it and my mind is blown.
Alleras backwards is "Sarella". Sarella Sand, the daughter of The Red Viper of Dorne and a Summer Island trader, is also the only of Oberyn's bastards that is unaccounted for in Dorne. Doran says: "leave her to her game".
So the "bowman" and child prodigy Alleras in the prologue, is actually a female and one of the Sand Snakes, Oberyn Martell's bastard daughter.
BlueTsunami said:Another reason why the Dorne scenario is pretty, prettayyyyy, pretayyyyyyyyy good.
AcciDante said:....holy shit! I don't think i'll be able to finish my reread before the next book :[
I'm the same way, although really only with the ironmen. Hated those chapters. Just finished my 4th read, and really enjoyed the chapters on them this time. I really like victarion now, he's quite a badass.bengraven said:I'm digging the Ironmen and Dorne a lot more this time around. Mostly because I know they have a major part and I can allow myself to become invested in them.
And let's be honest, they're a huge part of the second half of the Ice and Fire series.
Just read Feast at least. It's the other half of the book you're about to read. Or read Storm and skip Feast until you finish Dance, since the majority of Dance takes place during the events of Feast.
Or hit the chapter by chapter summaries over at Tower of the Hand. Those serve as a good refresher if you don't have time to read through the series again.bengraven said:Just read Feast at least. It's the other half of the book you're about to read. Or read Storm and skip Feast until you finish Dance, since the majority of Dance takes place during the events of Feast.
ultron87 said:Also, I don't think Jorah was the betrayal for love. Or at least not yet. He hasn't really done anything yet that would actually count as a betrayal.
elrechazao said:I really like victarion now, he's quite a badass.
elrechazao said:I'm the same way, although really only with the ironmen. Hated those chapters. Just finished my 4th read, and really enjoyed the chapters on them this time. I really like victarion now, he's quite a badass.
I do think it's a little implausible how these dudes from sparsely populated islands seem to have infinite numbers of ships and men whenever they are needed for plot though. Especially after having been smashed just ten years back.
PhoenixDark said:I tend to think the guy with the multi-colored hair will betray Dany for gold. Daario Naharis
Pokielhl said:I think Cersei will find a loophole that will allow Undead Gregor to fight for her, provided she puts aside her extreme pride. After all she is now the Queen Regent, not the Queen. I'm pretty sure there can only one in Westeros.
PhoenixDark said:I tend to think the guy with the multi-colored hair will betray Dany for gold. Daario Naharis
PhoenixDark said:Assuming she still holds her title as Queen Regent, and Tommen remains king, she should have the power to name the next KG member. News of Ser Oakheart's death will reach King's Landing eventually, allowing her to name a replacement.
holy fucking shit....woah.bengraven said:Mind Blown.
I'm reading the prologue to Feast and I wiki the characters, wondering if any of them are important. (I noticed that Walgrave seemed to know Maester Cresson)
Alleras, Pate's friend, is the son of a Dornishman and a Summer Island trader. He's amazing with a bow and has forged three of his chains already in just one year of being at the Citadel.
So I Google it and my mind is blown.
Alleras backwards is "Sarella". Sarella Sand, the daughter of The Red Viper of Dorne and a Summer Island trader, is also the only of Oberyn's bastards that is unaccounted for in Dorne. Doran says: "leave her to her game".
So the "bowman" and child prodigy Alleras in the prologue, is actually a female and one of the Sand Snakes, Oberyn Martell's bastard daughter.
jon bones said:i've always been fascinated by the Ironborn.
i still remember the first time you "go" to the Iron Islands and i envisioned the sketchy rope bridges connecting everything together over this bleak grey rainy beautifuly grim atmosphere. and then a bunch of pirates live there?
fuck yeah. i really REALLY hope they get their hands on that Kraken horn. i'd love to see them fuck up another naval force by way of GIANT SQUID
Yea...re-reading AFFC and Dorne is def. my favorite POV at the moment.BlueTsunami said:Another reason why the Dorne scenario is pretty, prettayyyyy, pretayyyyyyyyy good.
Damphair's first chapter is very interesting but i agree he's still a fucking moron. "Hey lets go drown ourselves!!!! woot"KingK said:I will never, never, never, like Aeron/Damphair/Drowned Man/Dumb-fuck. His 2 POV chapters are the worst 2 in the entire series.
In fact, my 3 least favorite POV characters are Damphair, Theon, and to a lesser degree Victarion. All three of them are Greyjoys.
I don't mind Asha, Euron is a cool villain, and I can see Theon getting a good redemption story going on in the next book, but the Greyjoys/Iron Islands are easily the worst thing about the series, imo.
I'll give you that Victarion's battle scene was cool, but the character himself is such a one dimensional ass hole.
iirc, it covers the same time period as AFFC but it continues on for an additional chunk after that.zmoney said:btw when ADWD comes out is it taking place at the same time parallel to AFFC?
lol...well played Syrio/Jaquen/AlchemistheliosRAzi said:
heliosRAzi said:
Martin has basically said syrio is dead. As much as everyone wants syrio to be alive because he's awesome, he's just notscosher said:I had this crazy theory, after watching the show, that maybe Syrio killed Ser Meryn Trant, and then as a Faceless man, took his identity.
But a quick google and wiki search of Meryn Trant shows that he's been just as much of a PoS as he was in GoT, with no real change in his character/demeanor. Plus the timeline doesn't fit with Ja'qen and Trant being in two places at once.
I'm still hoping that Syrio didn't meet the God of Death that day.