About review bombing games like TLOU II, Battlefield 2042 and Cyberpunk 2077

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I feel certain games are being targeted, I remember TLOU II had great industry reviews, but bad user reviews...not because the game deserved it but...It wasn't what trolls and specialist groups wanted it to be...The majority loved the game...It pushed the industry forward and is a milestone in every category, even the report form Microsoft agreed. I feel unjustified review bombing is happening to Battlefiled 2042..YES it has problems but thats with most games releasing today needing patches at launch...I feel its being unjustly review bombed. Same thing they tried to do with BFV because it was "woke". I do feel companies need to be held accountable for unfinished buggy products...
 
Are you a troll or something?
Why do you feel so touchy about these games? Do the dislike of people about a mess of game hurt you?
 
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bender said:
Lack of nuance which is typical of most user reviews.
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So people who paid money and are having to endure a buggy mess of a game should play nice with Dice and EA?

Fuck that. Both the developer and the publisher knew how bad a state the game was in prior to launch but yet they still went ahead with it along with lying about how the beta wasn't representative of what the final product would be. They deserve everything that's coming their way as far as the user reviews go.
 
ResetEraVetVIP said:
I feel certain games are being targeted, I remember TLOU II had great industry reviews, but bad user reviews...not because the game deserved it but...It wasn't what trolls and specialist groups wanted it to be...The majority loved the game...It pushed the industry forward and is a milestone in every category, even the report form Microsoft agreed. I feel unjustified review bombing is happening to Battlefiled 2042..YES it has problems but thats with most games releasing today needing patches at launch...I feel its being unjustly review bombed. Same thing they tried to do with BFV because it was "woke". I do feel companies need to be held accountable for unfinished buggy products...
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ROFL this guy

What do these types not get about Steam reviews only being allowed by people who own the product.

It is one of the worst reviews games on Steam ever FACT!

No one on steam can review Battlefield 2042 without first paying at least the £50 entry fee FACT!

Oh what has this guy got? Oh a theory that people are review bombing the game because its the greatest thing ever according to him. Oh no he's mixing paying customers overwhelmingly reviewing a shit product as a personal attack, and therefore has construed a conspiracy theory involving people paying at least £50 on mass just to downvote a product rather than admit his own tastes in games is shit.

Sorry dude but even the critic reviews arnt glowing this time, people hate it, its broken and its shit. And most likely will continue to be unless they go all in on Portal and ignore the 2042 part.
 
Because BF2042 is NOT a Battlefield.

Having operators from R6 Siege, a wallhack, no server browser, an UI that is so shit it look like a Christmas tree, broken spawn, an hovercraft that is... just look the video! And many other things. And that's without talking about all those bugs.

Also fuck this trend "release now, fix later".
Gamers have been nice enough, I think, tolerating unfinished products in the last few years as you point out. But their patience has limits and it shows now.

Finally, it is not by saying amen to everything that we are going to have better and finished games.
 
GHG said:
So people who paid money and are having to endure a buggy mess of a game should play nice with Dice and EA?

Fuck that. Both the developer and the publisher knew how bad a state the game was in prior to launch but yet they still went ahead with it along with lying about how the beta wasn't representative of what the final product would be. They deserve everything that's coming their way as far as the user reviews go.
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Who said anything about being nice? I said "lack of nuance" as in "this is the worst shit ever" (spoiler: it's not) or "this is the best shit ever" (spoiler: It's not) with little in-between. Everyone is free to voice their opinions as am I to completely ignore them.

For the record, I don't have a dog in the Battlefield hunt.
 
I have said for years, Steam is the ultimate review. Yes, a majority is about performance, but a lot are detailed and are 1000% spot on what majority feel.
 
So you get upset people are complaining about paying $60 for a game that should've been delayed months because of all the bugs and missing features?
 
I agree with you, review bombing is just another form of follow the leader, but i never look at user reviews alone when making a purchase decision.

This said, voting with your feet (or the videogame equivalent) is a valid form of protest. I just don't like it to be about things like a woman not looking sexy enough and shit like that
 
ResetEraVetVIP said:
I feel certain games are being targeted, I remember TLOU II had great industry reviews, but bad user reviews...not because the game deserved it but...It wasn't what trolls and specialist groups wanted it to be...The majority loved the game...It pushed the industry forward and is a milestone in every category, even the report form Microsoft agreed. I feel unjustified review bombing is happening to Battlefiled 2042..YES it has problems but thats with most games releasing today needing patches at launch...I feel its being unjustly review bombed. Same thing they tried to do with BFV because it was "woke". I do feel companies need to be held accountable for unfinished buggy products...
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Why should anyone care if a bunch of idiots will review bomb a game? Another bunch of idiots will give 10 for it anyway.

In the end things will stay stable. All the 0 will cancel all the 10s. What you have in the middle is the real value of the game for the users.
 
Cyberpunk - Released a game with a lot of bugs.
Battlefield 2042 - Missing features from the previous installment.
Grand Theft Auto: Definitive Edition - Released a game with a lot of bugs.
Last of Us Part II: Bunch of grown men crying over video game character.
 
Enough with this trolling shtick of yours. Discuss like an adult or you will be removed from your own thread.
Saber said:
Are you a troll or something?
Why do you feel so touchy about these games? Do the dislike of people about a mess of game hurt you?
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Because maybe they are actually pretty good games...did I trigger you?
 
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TLOU2 does not even relate to the others.

That was unfairly review bombed, it is beyond insane how people reacted to the game. The game was a masterpiece from a 'technical' standpoint. Whether you liked the game or not is subjective but that game performed almost flawlessly.

TLOU2 was targeted for the wrong reasons, BF2042, CP2077 and GTA Trilogy DE were targeted for the right reasons! It's not acceptable to release broken buggy shit.
 
Your constant carrying of the torch to defend yet ANOTHER buggy and shitty product launch by DICE is nothing short of equal parts sad and impressive.
 
ResetEraVetVIP said:
. I feel unjustified review bombing is happening to Battlefiled 2042..YES it has problems but thats with most games releasing today needing patches at launch...I feel its being unjustly review bombed.
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GHG said:
So people who paid money and are having to endure a buggy mess of a game should play nice with Dice and EA?

Fuck that. Both the developer and the publisher knew how bad a state the game was in prior to launch but yet they still went ahead with it along with lying about how the beta wasn't representative of what the final product would be. They deserve everything that's coming their way as far as the user reviews go.
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Why did they pay for it before the game came out?

The game just came out on friday and it had already been review bombed because of the free trial.

At this point, I have zero sympathy for anyone who preorders DICE games. They have had issues on day one going back to BF4 in 2013.

I also dont think giving the game a 0 or a 1 because of bugs is ok. If you cant launch the game and it prevents you from playing, sure. but thats not the case here. the game is unpolished. if you dont want to review the content of the game just because you ran into a few bugs then maybe you shouldnt be reviewing a game. we jump down critics throats if they dont beat the single player campaign and here we are defending nerds who review bomb because they got some glitches on a game before it was even officially released.
 
ResetEraVetVIP said:
Because maybe they are actually pretty good games...did I trigger you?
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You're the one who is so triggered by negative reviews of this game that you keep shilling and calling anyone who complains a troll. Now you've made a bitch thread about it.

And like I said in the other thread, the critics don't like this game either, so what's you excuse for that?

People are deservedly complaining because your shitty game is shitty, get over it.
 
Justin9mm said:
TLOU2 does not even relate to the others.

That was unfairly review bombed, it is beyond insane how people reacted to the game. The game was a masterpiece from a 'technical' standpoint. Whether you liked the game or not is subjective but that game performed almost flawlessly.

TLOU2 was targeted for the wrong reasons, BF2042, CP2077 and GTA Trilogy DE were targeted for the right reasons! It's not acceptable to release broken buggy shit.
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TLoU 2 was not really unfairly targeted because at the end of the day a majority of the "hate" was aimed at the story which is a key component of any game. People tend to review a product not a game and no one I saw would argue that the TLoU2 is not a technical marvel with some of the very best in sound design, animation and graphics on the PlayStation 4 with a solid stable finished release at launch.

However the criticism of the product was never about that, it was about the story or the use of characters that is still a valid issue for a consumer. It was however targeted differently by user reviews compared to BF 2042, Cyberpunk and GTA DE, which focus on the mechanical and also technical issues of the product.

Let's say I order a coffee pod machine, I would negatively review it if when it came out the box and plugged in it started smoking and sending sparks off right? I would also negatively review it if it worked flawlessly but all the drinks it made tasted like shit to me. Those are both valid reasons to dislike it even if the root cause is completely different. That's just how consumers are, people get bogged down thinking people write reviews as a critic on art when actually there primarily a consumer reviewing a product.

TLoU 2 had shit tasting coffee, while the others here all exploded as soon as they got power, firing half ground coffee beans all over the kitchen. That's the diffrences but the consumers opinions still stand.
 
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Review bombing started during the 360/PS3 days when fanboys starting drilling Halo and Killzone with bad scores. But that was only for a couple hundred scores and then it ended.

Now it's 10,000s of gamers doing it all week.

I dont know how websites can even fight it unless their tools show it's a bot of some kind doing it. But if it's a legit gamer with a profile wanting to bomb a game with a 0 for laughs how is MC going to deny it?

Back then, gamers who didnt like a game would probably still give it a 5. Now gamers go extreme and nail games to the cross with 0's.
 
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Why did they pay for it before the game came out?

The game just came out on friday and it had already been review bombed because of the free trial.

At this point, I have zero sympathy for anyone who preorders DICE games. They have had issues on day one going back to BF4 in 2013.

I also dont think giving the game a 0 or a 1 because of bugs is ok. If you cant launch the game and it prevents you from playing, sure. but thats not the case here. the game is unpolished. if you dont want to review the content of the game just because you ran into a few bugs then maybe you shouldnt be reviewing a game. we jump down critics throats if they dont beat the single player campaign and here we are defending nerds who review bomb because they got some glitches on a game before it was even officially released.
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"For some players, that's just a week too long, but there a few different options when it comes to getting into early access. Early access for Battlefield 2042 begins on Nov. 12, 2021.Nov 11, 2021"

Those people are early access people. And they have the right to do 0. If you paid for something, and you get crap, you have the right to give it 0.

Pre-orders are shit, and that why devs gets out with shit like this. I have no excuses for people who preorder it.
 
Mabdia said:
Why should anyone care if a bunch of idiots will review bomb a game? Another bunch of idiots will give 10 for it anyway.

In the end things will stay stable. All the 0 will cancel all the 10s. What you have in the middle is the real value of the game for the users.
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Except that I understand the some games deserve 10's, whereas I have never ever seen a game that deserved less than 2 or 3.I mean for a game to be a 0 it would need it to be literaly unplayable anywhere and can't be refunded.And I played my fair share of shitty games, from Crackdown3, to ride to hell, going by the zelda ( but for the phillips CDI...Dun...Dun ...Duuun).And none of those games deserve a 0, even though Ride to hell was probably the closest one by far.That is for a somewhat objective review system though.
but the problem is that some games are reviewed based on expectationsthe higher they are, the higher the note will be if met or even exceeded but it has the counter part, the higher they are the more you will nitpick and lower the note.To that you can had franchise fatigue, lack of innovation and you can't have objective reviews for franchises.Because they have to tick all the boxes so the dev can't focus on more creative ideas...That's why I think Ubi games (and especially assassin's creed) get reviews all over the place.
Imagine being new to acreed or even having played just the first one...Then Valhalla looks awesome, but after origins and odissey it feflt like a letdown.
But that's another debate do we judge a game based on what has been previously done or not, based on the population it is targeted to or what other games have achieved is a tricky question.That is true for every media be it a painting, music or a movie for example.
So that's why I think an objective review can only be based on the technical presentation aone, because that is the only way to have an objective scale.Does it hold its fps constant, is there a lot of bug and how often do they occured etc...And I think that if a game can boot and be somewhat playabe it deseve more than 0...Not especially 10 but it can't be 0.
 
azertydu91 said:
Except that I understand the some games deserve 10's, whereas I have never ever seen a game that deserved less than 2 or 3.I mean for a game to be a 0 it would need it to be literaly unplayable anywhere and can't be refunded.And I played my fair share of shitty games, from Crackdown3, to ride to hell, going by the zelda ( but for the phillips CDI...Dun...Dun ...Duuun).And none of those games deserve a 0, even though Ride to hell was probably the closest one by far.That is for a somewhat objective review system though.
but the problem is that some games are reviewed based on expectationsthe higher they are, the higher the note will be if met or even exceeded but it has the counter part, the higher they are the more you will nitpick and lower the note.To that you can had franchise fatigue, lack of innovation and you can't have objective reviews for franchises.Because they have to tick all the boxes so the dev can't focus on more creative ideas...That's why I think Ubi games (and especially assassin's creed) get reviews all over the place.
Imagine being new to acreed or even having played just the first one...Then Valhalla looks awesome, but after origins and odissey it feflt like a letdown.
But that's another debate do we judge a game based on what has been previously done or not, based on the population it is targeted to or what other games have achieved is a tricky question.That is true for every media be it a painting, music or a movie for example.
So that's why I think an objective review can only be based on the technical presentation aone, because that is the only way to have an objective scale.Does it hold its fps constant, is there a lot of bug and how often do they occured etc...And I think that if a game can boot and be somewhat playabe it deseve more than 0...Not especially 10 but it can't be 0.
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Thats a key thing expectations.

Someone buying a $7 indie game will rate a game different than a $70 game. Even a B-tier $40 game has different expectations. And people also compare against competing games.

And BF 2042 is $70 tier, big budget, longstanding franchise and compared against COD. If 2042 was a $5 indie game everyone would love it.

Also as you said, the 0 score. It's a hyperbolic score that many people will gravitate to when pissed. Not that it's really a 0. It might be a 4 or 5/10. But for some people, if you're going to rate something bad, might as well drill it with a 0.
 
The problem I have with those who review bomb is that if I give a legit low score to TLOU2, then it can't be helped that I am now one of them. I think tlou2 is dogshit, but I am not going to waste my time review bombing something or patting the backs of people who do.
 
ResetEraVetVIP said:
Because maybe they are actually pretty good games...did I trigger you?
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Seriously, stop acting like an infantile child everytime someone speaks ill of you favorite game. Like the game? Good for you, enjoy what you have. But don't go around people acting like hissy pissy because your favorite game is being criticized for what is very valid reasons, as if it's the consumers fault at blame. At least use your brain once and acknowlege the game has problems and the soon people point them the better, even for a person like you.
 
azertydu91 said:
Except that I understand the some games deserve 10's, whereas I have never ever seen a game that deserved less than 2 or 3.I mean for a game to be a 0 it would need it to be literaly unplayable anywhere and can't be refunded.And I played my fair share of shitty games, from Crackdown3, to ride to hell, going by the zelda ( but for the phillips CDI...Dun...Dun ...Duuun).And none of those games deserve a 0, even though Ride to hell was probably the closest one by far.That is for a somewhat objective review system though.
but the problem is that some games are reviewed based on expectationsthe higher they are, the higher the note will be if met or even exceeded but it has the counter part, the higher they are the more you will nitpick and lower the note.To that you can had franchise fatigue, lack of innovation and you can't have objective reviews for franchises.Because they have to tick all the boxes so the dev can't focus on more creative ideas...That's why I think Ubi games (and especially assassin's creed) get reviews all over the place.
Imagine being new to acreed or even having played just the first one...Then Valhalla looks awesome, but after origins and odissey it feflt like a letdown.
But that's another debate do we judge a game based on what has been previously done or not, based on the population it is targeted to or what other games have achieved is a tricky question.That is true for every media be it a painting, music or a movie for example.
So that's why I think an objective review can only be based on the technical presentation aone, because that is the only way to have an objective scale.Does it hold its fps constant, is there a lot of bug and how often do they occured etc...And I think that if a game can boot and be somewhat playabe it deseve more than 0...Not especially 10 but it can't be 0.
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Sorry, but you've contradicted yourself several times. 10 and 0 are scores, so they can be used. At that point you don't agree with someone giving 0 because you pretty much ignore his point. You're so much focused in the score number rather than 'why' he gave such a lower number.

I believe there are games that deserves 10 and games that deserves 0, much of poor/bad mobile games that teach kids to pursuit their parents credit cards for example. For me deserves a 0.

You and some here pretty much have this metacritic score syndrome where you get so attached to the number instead of their reasons about that number.

And there is no objective reviewers around game journalist. All the things you point, they fully ignore like bugs, perfomance, price tag, etc...
Example: Only when Digital Foundry point out the GTA trilogy flaws, games sites like IGN took advantage of the potential clicks to do no mercy in their review. IGN never give a shit about a techincal review.

At the end of they, review should be criticized when read. I remember me criticizing IGN review of Crash Team Racing Nitro Fuel and one folk here saying 'bruh man, why are you whining? IGN gave 8 of 10 for CTR' and me like 'wtf, don't you read the review or just accept the score'. The score never match the reading. Never.

And people have the right to do whatever they want. This apply to money and opinions. Some people like, some people dislike. Nobody need to be lawer of any company.
 
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I call fucking bullshit on people claiming "review bombing" is a real problem. Sure, some games get review bombed because of petty fanboys but if the game was truly great in the first place, it wouldn't be getting negative reviews in mass. I have rarely seen great games be reviewed bombed. Maybe just, MAYBE there is some truth in why people are pissed off with your game.
 
Within ten minutes of the game releasing TLOU2 had almost three times the reviews of TLOU1 and I know for damn sure all those people didn't finish it in ten minutes. There are people who didn't like it for good reasons but the whole debacle was seized upon by the gamergate crowd who are masters at trolling and bombing.

The other games did not work and were defective products.
 
Halo is Dead said:
I call fucking bullshit on people claiming "review bombing" is a real problem. Sure, some games get review bombed because of petty fanboys but if the game was truly great in the first place, it wouldn't be getting negative reviews in mass. I have rarely seen great games be reviewed bombed. Maybe just, MAYBE there is some truth in why people are pissed off with your game.
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I dont think it's a real problem as a whole, but some games get bombed every year. COD and FIFA do. Every year for years these games get a 3/10 score where tons of people gives 0's.

That Warcraft Remake was nailed by critics, but it has a 0.6 score among 30,000 users. That's got to be among the worst scores on the entire site. Is it really a 0? To get that kind of score, probably 25,000 people gave a 0, and the rest gave a score to make the avg a 0.6.
 
"Lots of people don't like the games I like and are criticising its shortcomings. Must be trolls who are review bombing, has to be. The games that I love are perfect"
 
Review bombs are largely pointless IMHO, as it's fairly simple to ignore the "this game sucks 0/10" reviews if they don't give a good reason as to why things are terrible.

Read the actual reviews instead of glancing at the numbers. Sometimes a proper negative review from a good reviewer is better at painting the whole picture as to what the game is really about.

Any person seriously looking into whether or not a game fits their taste will do more than just look at the assigned numbers on reviews.

At the end of the day, there's no need to seek validation through reviews, nor is it healthy to be upset or angry over a subjective number assigned to your favorite game.
 
STARSBarry said:
TLoU 2 was not really unfairly targeted because at the end of the day a majority of the "hate" was aimed at the story which is a key component of any game. People tend to review a product not a game and no one I saw would argue that the TLoU2 is not a technical marvel with some of the very best in sound design, animation and graphics on the PlayStation 4 with a solid stable finished release at launch.

However the criticism of the product was never about that, it was about the story or the use of characters that is still a valid issue for a consumer. It was however targeted differently by user reviews compared to BF 2042, Cyberpunk and GTA DE, which focus on the mechanical and also technical issues of the product.

Let's say I order a coffee pod machine, I would negatively review it if when it came out the box and plugged in it started smoking and sending sparks off right? I would also negatively review it if it worked flawlessly but all the drinks it made tasted like shit to me. Those are both valid reasons to dislike it even if the root cause is completely different. That's just how consumers are, people get bogged down thinking people write reviews as a critic on art when actually there primarily a consumer reviewing a product.

TLoU 2 had shit tasting coffee, while the others here all exploded as soon as they got power, firing half ground coffee beans all over the kitchen. That's the diffrences but the consumers opinions still stand.
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I completely understand what you are saying but imo the TLOU2 story issues did not deserve the 'level' of hate it received. It could of been, I dislike how the story went, they did Joel a disservice, I don't like forced agendas blah blah and rated it lower. But the comments and bombing was on a whole other level, it was complete irrational behaviour.

This is subjective and purely my opinion but besides Joel's fate(the way it was written) and some very minor forced LGBTQ+ agenda, the story was actually good. Like I said previously, it's ok not to like it but if you think just based on that, it deserved that level of complete hate, then you are also irrational.
 
Every game the OP listed have legitimate reasons for being review bombed. TLOU 2 had extremely controversial story directions that would not sit right with some gamers (and I'm not talking about "woke" aspects here). CP, Battlefield are/were riddled with bugs. I think review bombs are an effective tool to keep developers in check.
 
What is the difference between a review bomb and a large series of reviewers that didn't like the game in a short time frame? And how can you tell? Don't most reviews show or require a certain playlength?
 
who cares, for all review bombing there are "industry reviews" that are just shilling for certain games.
It all evens out and its dumb caring too much about those things in the first place.
 
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