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[Sorian]

Current Vote Count:

Kalor (6)
Hipster Cthulhu
Roytheone
CrimsonFist
roytheone
Xamtheking
Bowlie
ScraftyDevil
EzekelRAGE

EzekelRAGE (5)
Cornburrito
squidyj
Zubz
Hipster Cthulhu
StanleyPalmtree

QuantumBro (2)
Xamtheking
Matt Attack
TheWorthyEdge
roytheone
EzekelRAGE

TheWorthyEdge (1)
Barrylocke

Barrylocke (0)
RobotNinjaHornets
Cornburrito

Xamtheking (0)
squidyj
CrimsonFist

Hipster Cthulhu (0)
Kalor

Zubz (0)
CrimsonFist

Stanleypalmtree (0)
EzekelRAGE

RobotNinjaHornets (0)
CrimsonFist

Matt Attack (0)
CrimsonFist

Roytheone (0)
squidyj

11 votes are needed for majority

Day 1 ends in:

 

[Bowlie]

Crimson, the only thing he did was question QuantumBro's vote, vote for him because of that, and answering to your replies and one reply from Ezekel, right?

I think there was some people (myself included) playing this way, only posting when someone called them. I'm a little suspicious, but he's done so little I don't have much against him. I want him to be more active, though.

---

Kalor, of all my possible votes you were the only one who voted against someone because of a weak reason, and did not provide a good (or at least lenghty) defense. I couldn't know you were sick beforehand. QuantumBro was my first choice but he's out now.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Will keep the vote thing in mind.

Kalor will flip town, Ezekiel is actually scum. Calling this now and prepared to eat crow later if wrong.

Well done Ezekiel. Convincing town to give you another day may let you live at least a few more days.

I'm sure your eat crow will involve an "Oops guys I was wrong keep it moving" wiht Squidy chiming in with "It's an honest mistake, Rage made himself look guilty, can't really blame CB for that".

So Ezekiel said he was attacking me because I attacked him. That shit play, sorry. I attack you because I think you are scum. If you think I am scum for legit reasons then do it. Don't try to OMGUS me.

Seems you are losing your cool, getting a little aggressive. Do you have any thoughts on what I posted?
Why didnt you go after Zsubs like you did Star?
Why didn't you answer Zsubs post about you?

A lot of people jumping on my Kalor vote, interesting. I didn't even post any reasoning with it.

I explained my reasoning for voting him, purely out of self preservation.

 

[CrimsonFist]

The votes have been piling on quite quickly.

So, at this point I doubt that I'll be able to get out of this situation without claiming. I won't reveal my exact role at this moment but I will say that I am Gregory Edgeworth, the classiest defense attorney around.

I would say don't fully claim until the last hour, or if you're about to get the majority. but no later than that. The quick pile on is making me have doubts at least.

I would also say that I consider name claims completely meaningless, since I'm assuming that scum have fake names to use.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I will say this kinda sux. Been a part of the discussion. Defending myself decently. Then comes QB needing replacement.

May be close between Kalor and Me - "Guys, I was sick, not paying attn, forgot about the game. I've been keeping up to date(lurking) but just not posting in this thread. I just happen to be here when I am on the chopping block and have no comment ofr anything else. O yea, I'm a power role."

 

[Kalor]

I would say don't fully claim until the last hour, or if you're about to get the majority. but no later than that. The quick pile on is making me have doubts at least.

I would also say that I consider name claims completely meaningless, since I'm assuming that scum have fake names to use.

I know that name claims are essentially useless but I wanted to at least throw something out there.

 

[Xamtheking]

Unvote
I will have time before the end of the day to change this.

 

[Xamtheking]

I know that name claims are essentially useless but I wanted to at least throw something out there.

And I am now even more suspicious
Great job
VOTE: Kalor

 

[roytheone]

A lot of people jumping on my Kalor vote, interesting. I didn't even post any reasoning with it.

I agree. Depending on how Kalor or Ezekel flip, I think it will defiantly be valuable to take a good look at everyone that jumped on the Kalor train (yes, I know that includes me).

 

[StarSketch]

Failed gambits up the wazooo here. The question is, whose gambit failed harder?

Vote: CornBurrito

This is a tentative vote because my phone might die before i get home.
Rage's post makes a lot of good points and while I'm pretty suspicious of him, I also understand getting defensive and having everyone pile on you (I swear, I say something every game during Day 1 that has everyone on my ass for the rest of the game)

Kalor's name claim is also interesting, but I'm going to see if anyone counter claims. Edgeworth is probably not a character who would get left out of the role roster.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Kalor will flip town, Ezekiel is actually scum. Calling this now and prepared to eat crow later if wrong.

Well done Ezekiel. Convincing town to give you another day may let you live at least a few more days.

I will say at this point CB has conceded that I wouldnt be lynched today (which is still close tbh). We've already gone over why he thinks I'm guilty, which is weak, but w/e.

But why is he so certain Kalor will flip town? Kalor has been lurking for most of the game. Of his 15 posts, it can be argued a good chunk of them are filler. But CB is certain he will flip town even when several others found Kalor's behavior odd. He gives no reasoning for thinking Kalor will flip town. Could it be that CB is scum so knows for a fact Kalor is town? I don't know. I also don't know what glaring posts CB sees that makes him so certain Kalor would flip town.

Day 1 Lynch, we should lynch whoever would give use the most information imo.

Ezekel Lynched
Town - CB looks guilty? Doubtful since him/Squidy would say I did it to myself
Scum - May learn something from the Kalor votes?
Kalor Lynched
Town - Just like me, he sorta made it easy to pile on him.
Scum - Again, he made it easy to pile on him, didn't post much so can't go by any interactions.
CB Lynched
Town - Let's us know his theories about me were from a protown standpoint.
Scum - Let's us know his theories were that of scum. Sheds light on the Squidy j angle. Could shed some light on Kalor?

 

[CrimsonFist]

Failed gambits up the wazooo here. The question is, whose gambit failed harder?

Vote: CornBurrito

This is a tentative vote because my phone might die before i get home.
Rage's post makes a lot of good points and while I'm pretty suspicious of him, I also understand getting defensive and having everyone pile on you (I swear, I say something every game during Day 1 that has everyone on my ass for the rest of the game)

Kalor's name claim is also interesting, but I'm going to see if anyone counter claims. Edgeworth is probably not a character who would get left out of the role roster.

Gregory is Edgeworth's father, and has only been a fully fledged charecter in AAI2, which isn't covered by the scope of this game.

 

[CrimsonFist]

That's not a point of suspicion btw, as I said, scum will likely have fake names give by Sorian, so I'm not going to use the minorness of a character as an argument one way or another.

 

[Sorian]

I'm not defending or outing anyone's current role claim. I just want to nip one thing now so that it doesn't snowball for no reason:

-Possible roles for this game involve anybody introduced in the original trilogy and the Apollo Justice game.

 

[CrimsonFist]

I will say at this point CB has conceded that I wouldnt be lynched today (which is still close tbh). We've already gone over why he thinks I'm guilty, which is weak, but w/e.

But why is he so certain Kalor will flip town? Kalor has been lurking for most of the game. Of his 15 posts, it can be argued a good chunk of them are filler. But CB is certain he will flip town even when several others found Kalor's behavior odd. He gives no reasoning for thinking Kalor will flip town. Could it be that CB is scum so knows for a fact Kalor is town? I don't know. I also don't know what glaring posts CB sees that makes him so certain Kalor would flip town.

If he's scum, shouldn't he also know that you're town? Why be so against a Kalor lynch and not a lynch against you?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

If he's scum, shouldn't he also know that you're town? Why be so against a Kalor lynch and not a lynch against you?

Because I've made it easy to target me or he can be justified in targeting me. I get lynched, flip town. Who would argue with a post saying "Sorry guys I was wrong, damn I over read that post so bad. I tunneled, honest mistake." Especially if someone like Squidy backs him up saying "That was a ridiculous gambit and CB was right to lynch Rage over it. Just Day 1"

Someone already made the statement that was like "That was a weird gambit and if you tried it you wouldn't be any help to town anyway, so good riddance". Paraphrased that, but that what was pretty much said.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Because I've made it easy to target me or he can be justified in targeting me. I get lynched, flip town. Who would argue with a post saying "Sorry guys I was wrong, damn I over read that post so bad. I tunneled, honest mistake." Especially if someone like Squidy backs him up saying "That was a ridiculous gambit and CB was right to lynch Rage over it. Just Day 1"

Someone already made the statement that was like "That was a weird gambit and if you tried it you wouldn't be any help to town anyway, so good riddance". Paraphrased that, but that what was pretty much said.

Found the post it was Stanley

and even if we spared you, i really doubt that your presence in the following days will be anything other than a distraction to the many here that dont trust you (myself included).

Also, on that "Just Day 1" part. I wasnt finished. "Just Day 1, we were bound to hit town neway and it's not like we are in a lynch lose situation."

 

[roytheone]

Failed gambits up the wazooo here. The question is, whose gambit failed harder?

Vote: CornBurrito

This is a tentative vote because my phone might die before i get home.
Rage's post makes a lot of good points and while I'm pretty suspicious of him, I also understand getting defensive and having everyone pile on you (I swear, I say something every game during Day 1 that has everyone on my ass for the rest of the game)

Kalor's name claim is also interesting, but I'm going to see if anyone counter claims. Edgeworth is probably not a character who would get left out of the role roster.

This kind of thinking is very dangerous. It is actually smart game design to give town some very obscure roles, and leave a couple of the bigger names as fake role names for scum to use. We shouldn't put to much trust in someones role name alone.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

Ugh

I'm not liking how aggressively convinced CB is

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

Also Kalor [JFA spoilers just in case]:

Spoiler

you're already dead what the hell

 

[Xamtheking]

Also Kalor [JFA spoilers just in case]:

Spoiler

you're already dead what the hell

Sorian did say that

Spoiler

characters wouldn't give a shit if they were alive or dead

 

[roytheone]

Also Kalor [JFA spoilers just in case]:

Spoiler

you're already dead what the hell

Don't put to much importance in if something makes sense regarding the fluff or not. That's a dangerous road to take.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

Oh I know it doesn't mean anything, I was just amused by

Spoiler

there being a dead guy in the court room going "Hey no don't kill me"

...do I need to bother with spoiler tags? The games are so good that I don't want to spoil them but I don't know if anyone cares

 

[Sorian]

Oh I know it doesn't mean anything, I was just amused by

Spoiler

there being a dead guy in the court room going "Hey no don't kill me"

...do I need to bother with spoiler tags? The games are so good that I don't want to spoil them but I don't know if anyone cares

I'll let you all decide spoiler territory in what to tag and what not to. I will point out that the thing you are talking about is an original ace attorney spoiler, not JFA

 

[CrimsonFist]

Oh I know it doesn't mean anything, I was just amused by

Spoiler

there being a dead guy in the court room going "Hey no don't kill me"

...do I need to bother with spoiler tags? The games are so good that I don't want to spoil them but I don't know if anyone cares

Spoiler

Didn't that actually happen in the final case of Trials and Tribulations though?

 

[CrimsonFist]

Ugh

I'm not liking how aggressively convinced CB is

eh, after spending most of Heist being aggressively tunnelled by someone, I don't see it as strictly a scum tell

 

[roytheone]

Oh I know it doesn't mean anything, I was just amused by

Spoiler

there being a dead guy in the court room going "Hey no don't kill me"

...do I need to bother with spoiler tags? The games are so good that I don't want to spoil them but I don't know if anyone cares

I am playing through the games right now, and while I understand some spoilers will be unavoidable, I would rather avoid unnecessary ones.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

I'll let you all decide spoiler territory in what to tag and what not to. I will point out that the thing you are talking about is an original ace attorney spoiler, not JFA

Oh god my memory you're right why did I even think that

Spoiler

Didn't that actually happen in the final case of Trials and Tribulations though?

Oh noooo now I'm confused

Anyway this is beside the point, I'm moving on now

eh, after spending most of Heist being aggressively tunnelled by someone, I don't see it as strictly a scum tell

I mean that's fair, and I'm not ready to vote for him yet, it just doesn't strike me as useful in any way. You have to be willing to approach from all angles to find ~*~the truth~*~

 

[CrimsonFist]

Oh god my memory you're right why did I even think that



Oh noooo now I'm confused

Spoiler

Oh, I meant the dead person defending themselves part, not the specific event, with Dahlia

 

[CrimsonFist]

List of people without a current vote:
Kalor
RobotNinjaHornets

And people who haven't voted at all today:
Redfalco
Ri'Orious
TheGoddamn

Ignoring Quantum since he dropped out. (Apologies if I've made a mistake here)

Reminder that everyone should have a vote in place at the end of the day.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

2 hours and 30 minutes til the end of the day phase. Kalor MIA again. Plans to come in at the last minute with more about his role I'm guessing.

The usually vocal Squidyj is nowhere to be found. CB, makes a post about his displeasure about me not possibly being lynched, then dips. Hipster MIA after his vote and dip. Another few no votes or no one commenting on anything.

I must say I don't like any of that.

 

[Xamtheking]

Redfalco is probably getting lucky IRL
Rior might be a newbie scum under pressure, or, more likely, has no idea what the fuck is going on
Goddamn has been quiet as hell

 

[Kalor]

2 hours and 30 minutes til the end of the day phase. Kalor MIA again. Plans to come in at the last minute with more about his role I'm guessing.

The usually vocal Squidyj is nowhere to be found. CB, makes a post about his displeasure about me not possibly being lynched, then dips. Hipster MIA after his vote and dip. Another few no votes or no one commenting on anything.

I must say I don't like any of that.

The game has just slowed down a bit. Saying I'm MIA is a stretch.

 

[StarSketch]

This kind of thinking is very dangerous. It is actually smart game design to give town some very obscure roles, and leave a couple of the bigger names as fake role names for scum to use. We shouldn't put to much trust in someones role name alone.

...Good point.

Gregory is Edgeworth's father, and has only been a fully fledged charecter in AAI2, which isn't covered by the scope of this game.

-face palm- right, Edgeworth's first name is...not that. I'm blanking out on it, but yeah that's his dad. Whoops.

Vote:Kalor

 

[roytheone]

Redfalco is probably getting lucky IRL
Rior might be a newbie scum under pressure, or, more likely, has no idea what the fuck is going on
Goddamn has been quiet as hell

I honestly forgot he was even in this game. Looking back, he had a single post this whole day phase, this is literally the only game relevant thing he has said during the complete day phase:

It's an interesting mechanic/"power" for you to be outed immediately, Pearls. Being a confirmed town is incredibly useful right off the bat, and makes sure you smell good to everyone else right away. I don't particularly agree with it making you a prime target right away, because to scum, practically everyone else is confirmed town (neutrals aside). I do agree with you holding back and observing first before voting, because bandwagoning off your vote is an easy trick.

Is he even still playing this game?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

The game has just slowed down a bit. Saying I'm MIA is a stretch.

I guess lurking would be the better word?

Any thoughts on
Xam voting/unvoting you?
CB' case agaisnt me?
My defense agaisnt CB?
My observations of both our gambits?

Are you just lurking waiting to drop your power role bomb?

That fact that the game has slowed down should've given you opportunity to chime in on what's been going on. Not just lurk.

 

[Xamtheking]

I honestly forgot he was even in this game. Looking back, he had a single post this whole day phase, this is literally the only game relevant thing he has said during the complete day phase:



Is he even still playing this game?

The only reason I remembered him is because I looked at the OP when making my Xamxiety-infused Read List

 

[CrimsonFist]

The only reason I remembered him is because I looked at the OP when making my Xamxiety-infused Read List

Same with me and making that "people who haven't voted list"

 

[CrimsonFist]

Question: Do we want to wait for Kalor to role claim before all unvoting? or do we want to not risk outing a potentially useful town power role. Baring in mind that having multiple outed roles also puts Scrafty at risk.

 

[Sorian]

2 hour warning!

Current Vote Count:

Kalor (7)
Hipster Cthulhu
Roytheone
CrimsonFist
roytheone
Xamtheking
Bowlie
ScraftyDevil
EzekelRAGE
Xamtheking
Starsketch

EzekelRAGE (5)
Cornburrito
squidyj
Zubz
Hipster Cthulhu
StanleyPalmtree

QuantumBro (2)
Xamtheking
Matt Attack
TheWorthyEdge
roytheone
EzekelRAGE

TheWorthyEdge (1)
Barrylocke

Barrylocke (0)
RobotNinjaHornets
Cornburrito

Xamtheking (0)
squidyj
CrimsonFist

Hipster Cthulhu (0)
Kalor

Zubz (0)
CrimsonFist

Stanleypalmtree (0)
EzekelRAGE

RobotNinjaHornets (0)
CrimsonFist

Matt Attack (0)
CrimsonFist

Roytheone (0)
squidyj

Cornburrito (0)
Starsketch

11 votes are needed for majority

Day 1 ends in:

 

[Kalor]

So, right now I'm going to put my vote on Ezekel as I don't have strong feelings on anyone else yet. There's some slight things that other people have done that stick out but not enough to vote for them today.

Vote: EzekelRAGE

So besides self preservation I don't think that Ezekel intentionally made this post sound defensive, this of course being a point that a number of people share.

Its a 3 day game and the vote isn't set in stone. Only thing guaranteed is that there will be a lynch today. Did I miss some development that is leading to someone being scum? Sorry I'm not reading between the lines of the posts some other ppl are seeing. It's not like I came in here at the last minute with a vote.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting his most recent posts but I feel like this same tone comes across where I assume it isn't meant to be intentional.

2 hours and 30 minutes til the end of the day phase. Kalor MIA again. Plans to come in at the last minute with more about his role I'm guessing.

The usually vocal Squidyj is nowhere to be found. CB, makes a post about his displeasure about me not possibly being lynched, then dips. Hipster MIA after his vote and dip. Another few no votes or no one commenting on anything.

I must say I don't like any of that.

Again I might be misinterpreting the tone and I know this is a minor point but both posts line up to me and share the same allegedly "fake" tone. On a different note there are 54 instances of Ezekels name on page 9.

 

[Hipster Cthulhu]

Ok, it is almost Night time so I'll give my final thoughts:

Bro: is getting removed so it looks like his inactivity was unintentional.

Kalor: hasn't said much but seems more new to the game than showing any kind of scum qualities, and seems to have explained himself. That clearly has not been enough for others, which I understand since I myself am new are biased towards new players that are just trying to figure this game out, unless Kalor isn't that new in which case I may re-think my Vote.

RAGE: has been acting the most suspicious to me because he is so desperate to tell everyone that he innocent, there is trying to defend your self and then there is being so defensive that every other post is you going over every post to show how innocent you are, maybe this is just how RAGE plays or how he posts in general but it is fishy to me and it makes him the most suspicious.

P.S. Sorry that my posting has been inconsistent, I just don't think I have had much to add recently, I will try to keep up more and post more often.

 

[CrimsonFist]

On a different note there are 54 instances of Ezekels name on page 9.

You can use the search in the top right corner of the thread to find all the posts by a specific user, no need to ctrl F

 

[Kalor]

You can use the search in the top right corner of the thread to find all the posts by a specific user, no need to ctrl F

I know but I was looking for people who also talked about him.

 

[Xamtheking]

I know but I was looking for people who also talked about him.

Why?

 

[Kalor]

Why?

I remembered that some people defended Ezekel so I was checking who did and how the discussion about him evolved.

 

[Bowlie]

RAGE: has been acting the most suspicious to me because he is so desperate to tell everyone that he innocent, there is trying to defend your self and then there is being so defensive that every other post is you going over every post to show how innocent you are, maybe this is just how RAGE plays or how he posts in general but it is fishy to me and it makes him the most suspicious.

But what other move would you have him do? He is being suspected by a lot of people.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

So, right now I'm going to put my vote on Ezekel as I don't have strong feelings on anyone else yet. There's some slight things that other people have done that stick out but not enough to vote for them today.

Vote: EzekelRAGE

So besides self preservation I don't think that Ezekel intentionally made this post sound defensive, this of course being a point that a number of people share..

What other slight things have ppl done?
I myself said the post wasn't that defensive.

Kalor: hasn't said much but seems more new to the game than showing any kind of scum qualities, and seems to have explained himself. That clearly has not been enough for others, which I understand since I myself am new are biased towards new players that are just trying to figure this game out, unless Kalor isn't that new in which case I may re-think my Vote.

RAGE: has been acting the most suspicious to me because he is so desperate to tell everyone that he innocent, there is trying to defend your self and then there is being so defensive that every other post is you going over every post to show how innocent you are, maybe this is just how RAGE plays or how he posts in general but it is fishy to me and it makes him the most suspicious.
.

Kalor: He said himself he hasn't been MIA, just lurking which is worse. Since he knows what's going on but chooses to not comment on it.
Me: Why wouldn't I analyze posts trying to prove my innocence?

Why?

Still hasnt answered anything about my post about why he is lurkin/ his thoughts on you unvoting/voting him.

 

[Ri'Orius]

So first a point of order: looks like my name is misspelled in the original players' list, and of course that error has propagated to posts. Not sure how this sort of confusion would affect the script, or the best way to rectify it. Sorry for not noticing earlier.

As for the game itself: I'm torn. Zeke's kinda suspicious, but I feel like the blotches on his record aren't really anti-town but mistakes. Frankly I feel like a scum would have better lies than what he's been saying. I do think the gambit was kinda weird (being defensive, but not too defensive), but I think it's more likely he believes it than made it up to cover his rear.

Kalor: he hasn't been contributing much, but neither have I, and neither have others. There's just not a lot to say on day one. Still, the name-claim seems sketchy to me. Had to look up Gregory Edgeworth to remind myself who he was, and I feel like Sorian wouldn't pull out a character like him without giving him a power. Which means that if Kalor is not scum and is telling the truth about his name, scum would now have a pretty good guess as to a town power role. Which makes Kalor's name claim pretty risky if he's legit, leading me to conclude he likely isn't.

VOTE: Kalor

 

[roytheone]

Question: Do we want to wait for Kalor to role claim before all unvoting? or do we want to not risk outing a potentially useful town power role. Baring in mind that having multiple outed roles also puts Scrafty at risk.

I am not going to UNVOTE just because someone claims to have powers. That way, scum that is on the chopping block could just say : I have a power, and not even have to fake claim, and it will be a lot harder for us to check if they are lying or not.