He already said he was Lana skye. The Green/Red thing is just another way to say "he turned up as town/ he turned up as not-town".
Why are you hinting at having a PR in your first post? What are you, a clone of Xam?
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Ace Attorney [Mafia] |OT| Turnabout Scum
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He already said he was Lana skye. The Green/Red thing is just another way to say "he turned up as town/ he turned up as not-town".
Why are you hinting at having a PR in your first post? What are you, a clone of Xam?
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CornBurrito
Member
Btw if there is a switcher, that does make Xam's results a bit less reliable overall.
If there is a scum switcher, I have no idea why Xam or Scrafty aren't dead yet, especially with our watcher already out of the picture.
TheGoddamn
Member
Good ol' town PRs putting in work, I'd imagine.
CornBurrito
Member
Actually the alignment of the switcher doesn't matter here.
N1 Xam checked squidyj for example. What if our switcher (if we do have one. But there might not even be one and we may just have a bodyguard) switched squidyj and someone else?
CornBurrito
Member
Speaking of. I am going to explicitly request no protection during the night phase.
But then Ezekel is vote steal should also have moved, and someone else would have gotten his vote removed.
CornBurrito
Member
Right, forgot about that.
StarSketch
Banned
Hm...
I'm guessing I'm still suspicious. Well, we're only a day in, so I won't do anything drastic just yet.
I'm guessing I'm still suspicious. Well, we're only a day in, so I won't do anything drastic just yet.
CornBurrito
Member
8 for majority?
Vote: StarSketch
Though personally I really do think we should go after who TWE was freaking out over. Hipster's replacement I think.
Vote: StarSketch
Though personally I really do think we should go after who TWE was freaking out over. Hipster's replacement I think.
StarSketch
Banned
I'm not in a position to be asking this but why?
StarSketch
Banned
I'm asking because I do t remember TWE focusing on Hipster at all...also hipster was inactive all yesterday.
CornBurrito
Member
Yeah, Crimson's got it.
Specifically this post:
I wasn't kidding. And I think Worthy may have given us two birds for one stone.
Specifically this post:
I wasn't kidding. And I think Worthy may have given us two birds for one stone.
EzekelRAGE
Member
We ending the day early?
Not discussing anything else?
Not discussing anything else?
EzekelRAGE
Member
Thoughts on who the Neutral Killer might be? Anything?
Let me know if I should hammer when it gets close I guess.
Let me know if I should hammer when it gets close I guess.
CrimsonFist
Member
Nobody on my scum short-list is currently voting Star, which isn't helping me feel any better about her.
Also, seeing as nobody has come forward about receiving a card from DeKiller, the possibilities I can see are:
a) he gave it to someone who died
b) nobody was given one for whatever reason, so maybe he can't act every night?
c) Roy was lying (what motive would he have to do this?)
d) The person who was targeted was unable to receive it. So maybe Xam? Seeing as CB was also unable to give him a thing for some reason.
Which is really too many different options to draw any conclusions from.
Also, seeing as nobody has come forward about receiving a card from DeKiller, the possibilities I can see are:
a) he gave it to someone who died
b) nobody was given one for whatever reason, so maybe he can't act every night?
c) Roy was lying (what motive would he have to do this?)
d) The person who was targeted was unable to receive it. So maybe Xam? Seeing as CB was also unable to give him a thing for some reason.
Which is really too many different options to draw any conclusions from.
CrimsonFist
Member
I'll unvote if it looks like we're about to hit majority.
StarSketch
Banned
Ok, gotcha.
Also, please don't hammer, there's really no point to it aside from accelerating our doom.
I'm not even exaggerating.
StarSketch
Banned
I meant town with that sentence, I mean we'll only lose more people if I die. Assuming I'm actually affecting anything.
Then why vote StarSketch, and not pandas?
TheGoddamn
Member
Who's on your list, or would you prefer that it be implied by elimination?
I was about to point out that nobody had as yet mentioned blackmailing today apart from Zeke in his post he wrote during the night) and roy, the previously blackmailed player. I see now that you talk about it by specifically referring to de Killer. But yeah, no one has come forward.
Another possibility is (related to D, but possibly already covered by it):
e) de Killer was blocked, or his target was protected; and a second addition
f) someone isn't revealing that they were blackmailed, for some reason.
CornBurrito
Member
No we shouldn't end early. I put the votes at 5 for a reason.
Basically how many scum do we think there are? 4? 5? One was lynched yesterday leaving I think 3-4 left.
If StarSketch is town, their votes are somewhat limited now. Anyone placing a vote on Sketch after the 5th is at risk of causing a turbo. And scum will want to avoid that this early.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
VOTE: SalvaPot
I don't believe that Star is guilty, but the constant swapping of Quantum (who everyone thought was initially suspicious)'s position as well as some of the things Drago said are making me nervous.
Sorry Salva, though you have yet to do anything particularly suspicious, the fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
Will elabourate in detail once I have more time to gather my thoughts.
I don't believe that Star is guilty, but the constant swapping of Quantum (who everyone thought was initially suspicious)'s position as well as some of the things Drago said are making me nervous.
Sorry Salva, though you have yet to do anything particularly suspicious, the fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
Will elabourate in detail once I have more time to gather my thoughts.
I am a bit conflicted about this. On the one hand, TWE being a scum without any powers makes it more likely for there to be 5 scum in total, but on the other hand, the high number of kills per cycle for a 21 player game makes 5 scum A LOT.
EzekelRAGE
Member
I can see 5 scum being left.
4 mafia
1 neutral non killing role
1 neutral killing role
4 mafia
1 neutral non killing role
1 neutral killing role
Xamtheking
Member
I actually have a theory.
What if Scum didn't target me for a kill last night, but instead attempted to blackmail me and failed the same way that CB did?
What if Scum didn't target me for a kill last night, but instead attempted to blackmail me and failed the same way that CB did?
EzekelRAGE
Member
if we started with 4 mafia above, would obviously be 3 now.
EzekelRAGE
Member
By blackmail you mean send a letter? Either way, we can't confirm anything.
This is possible. But again, neutrals are not the same as scum. Neutrals could take themselves out of the game at some point, scum will not. That is a big difference.
Xamtheking
Member
Star, I would appreciate it if you would shed a little light on what you are. Star puns aside, I think you're just full of hot air and lies. You haven't contributed at all today.
Possible, but that leaves the question: who was the scum target last night? Both of the dead are not logical scum targets IMO.
Xamtheking
Member
I have a feeling scum are panicked as fuck right now, and don't know who to go after.
StarSketch
Banned
Tbh they've been going against non-obvious roles since game start. I'm still sure that it's because the people that need to be taken out are liable to be protected.
So they have so many good targets (outed pr, active players that are trusted) that they are overwhelmed and decide to hit inactive players instead? That would be weird.
StarSketch
Banned
Then again, we don't have a confirmed protector role. So they shouldn't be trying to avoid hitting ScraftyDevil. She's hypothetically wide open.
StarSketch
Banned
...3 possible NK roles is probably too much, right?
Well, our vig was a 0.5 NK role, since he had to "recharge" after every kill. So another killing role that has some kind of restriction is possible.
CornBurrito
Member
The most obvious targets for protecting were Xam or Scrafty. I really think they could have done better than inactives, even discounting those two.
StarSketch
Banned
Humor me for a second: if you were scum and you needed to pick someone to night kill, who would you pick.
Xamtheking
Member
I think scum are too scared to go after high-activity players who are also PRs because they are scared of the possibility that their target might get saved and expose scum. Or they might be operating under the theory that low-activity players might still be PRs, using RNH as an example
I would have killed me or crimsonfist. Our pr are probably on the outed powers, so we would be pretty open for a night kill.
CrimsonFist
Member
Last night outed power roles would have been Xam, Scrafty, Zeke and CB (sort of). Additionally you had Squidy confirmed as town by Xam, and Matt Attack for that writeup against TWE.
So that nobody on that list was killed is really odd.
So that nobody on that list was killed is really odd.
Xamtheking
Member
Star is scum. I can feel it in my gut.
CornBurrito
Member
Assuming Zeke really is town, probably him.
After that, Crimson/Roy/Me (before I role claimed)/Squidy.
Crimson and Roy are top contributors. If they actually are town they'd make good targets.
I was also a top contributor.
Squidy is near the top and IIRC was also cleared by Xam.
StarSketch
Banned
My gut told me Drago was scum, and look where that got me.
... You know what, I've got nothing to lose.
Vote: XamtheKing
You're pushing pretty hard and it's not exactly difficult to fake your PR. Hell, someone did it for a good chunk of FF.
Xamtheking
Member
Your gut didn't tell you Drago was scum, TWE told you Drago was scum
Also, "I've got nothing to lose"?
What the fucking fuck does that even mean?
StarSketch
Banned
Yes. But I had a choice between Drago and TWE.
I'm probably going to get lynched, and the only other move I can think of making will get me night killed (unless scum misses again) so at this point I may as well stop worrying about what my votes look like.
He already said he was Lana skye. The Green/Red thing is just another way to say "he turned up as town/ he turned up as not-town".
Why are you hinting at having a PR in your first post? What are you, a clone of Xam?
Also:
Thank you for this is info, its a pretty good recap. Also I am not hinting at a PR, at least not yet, and its hardly my first post since I have to make do with what my predecessors did, but honestly? I think its pretty tame, I'll elaborate in my answer to Scrafty, but I want to point a few things out about your neutral laws.
So we know Scum wins when killing all other active killing roles, this hints that there are neutrals that can win by siding with mafia. And town only wins by eliminating everyone else. So we can assume:
1) There are neutrals for sure.
2) There are neutrals that can only win killing everyone else.
3) There are neutrals that DON'T have an active killing ability, so they can win by surviving.
But there is something you didn't mention that I think has another interpretation:
This could also be referring to town-Vigilantes, not necessarily a neutral. We know Franziska was a town vigilante, so even if scum had 50% during the night, there is a chance town could have won if her priority was better. Or there could be more town aligned killing roles. Franziska is dead now, so who knows if this still relevant for this discussion, but its an idea we shouldn't dismiss.
I have looked back at QB initial display and I have to say, its "scummy" but not definitive. Following a confirmed town role its a fair albeit "safe and boring"suggestion, and although I admit his reaction when he was called out on it was poor (And by poor was "Oh good please don't suspect me" awful), now that I am on his shoes I have been looking at the people who put that pressure on him more closely, it seems like classic search for the first lynch. As you may all know, I am extremely against Day 1 lynch, with a few exceptions, and its been proven time and time again that we always hit town or worst, a PR, because on the first day there is nothing to see and all you can do is probe for info that might be useful later.
Right now the info is that QB ( aka me) reacted badly when asked for motivations... but again this seems more like a narrative, and excuse, to base accusations and get a lynch going. Its fair play, Its hard to be the one under the mirror and constantly suspected. When you are town and you are suspected you feel awful because you just know people are wrong about you, how to prove otherwise? See at Starketch.
The thing is, the ONLY way to remove suspicion for you, is to either change topics and try to prove yourself through work, or get confirmed by someone trust worthy. The problem is that in this game, if you trust someone too much... he is either going to die or you are going to be betrayed.
QB I don't think really felt the pressure that much, and the narrative was not as harsh on him when he was suspicious as today seems, if you back and read it was Star and Worthy that were leading the discussion... but honestly I think it was cowardly that people decided not to vote out QB before he was switched, and then after, because it pretty much proved that they had no real good reasons to vote for him in the first place.
Drago, on the other hand, had it harder. Everyone got FAR more suspicious of QB when he was switched. He couldn't handle the pressure, so he must be scum, right? Of course now I am him, so now I have that context to work with. Dragon then had to carry that stigma and try to make do. Now he had to answer for actions that other player did, actions that really mean nothing to him. This is the situation I am now, I can't possibly understand what their idea was. I can only interpret. As I see it, QB was playing it safe to avoid suspicion and survive long enough to be useful and the innocuous idea he threw around was instantly, aggressively used against him. Drago then had to fight an uphill battle, minding his words so people won't auto-lynch him for what QB did.
But I think everyone realizes how silly it is to think that only suspicious people are scummy, and only town leaders are town. With that in mind, think about it. Is it likely QB and then Drago were town all along?
Me? What they did is irrelevant. They are they, I am me. I can try and explain why they did and acted like they did, but all is going to be speculation based on my role pm and was has happened on the thread. Right now (THIS IS NOT A ROLE CLAIM) I am a Role Cop that have stolen Drago's identity, but have no idea what he was doing with it before.
And Scrafty, you are playing it mad safe voting for me. You are doing exactly what QB did on day 1 when he decided to follow you, why is that? As the only confirmed town we have so far, you should be leading on gathering more information, not circling around the info you have. Me and Star are there for you guys to lynch if you can't figure it out anything else, but are we really not going to at least try to get someone else to talk?
Because scum (and neutral/vig) have been targeting mid to low tier kills right now, and they are killing those who have yet to speak up.
So really, if anyone is town and its not speaking up, maybe you won't be lynched because everyone will ignore you in discussions, but you will likely be targeted by killing roles.