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Actresses and their age
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Crimson_Echidna
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She did both the Alice in Wonderland movies for them recently though.
Crimson_Echidna
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Daniel Craig did have the awesome quote regarding Monica Belluchi being a "Bond Girl" in Spectre. When asked about her being the oldest one, he responded "You mean the first one actually Bond's age?"
eso76
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Well, it's true that in the original cartoon, Belle is probably like 16, but then i think the beast/prince is 20.
All we find attractive is dictated by our subconsciously perceived mating quality.
Women are more driven by the kind of support the male can offer their kids, though.
Once, and that goes for most mammals still, it would be the strongest or the tallest (better hunters) or otherwise dominant male of the gruop. As society evolved, it may now be the most intelligent or wealthiest.
I do think that women are more likely to be attracted to men in their late 30's compared to 20 something, these days and it IS reflected in media.
All we find attractive is dictated by our subconsciously perceived mating quality.
Women are more driven by the kind of support the male can offer their kids, though.
Once, and that goes for most mammals still, it would be the strongest or the tallest (better hunters) or otherwise dominant male of the gruop. As society evolved, it may now be the most intelligent or wealthiest.
I do think that women are more likely to be attracted to men in their late 30's compared to 20 something, these days and it IS reflected in media.
PeskyToaster
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There are weirder examples but 10 years isn't a huge difference when you're not in school
Caddywompus
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I saw that in one of the Beauty and the Beast threads too. For that movie, there might be a marketing reason to have Belle portrayed young to appeal more to their Disney Princess demographic. But in the case of Anne Hathaway, I would suspect salaries were such a big enough gap to make Emma Watson much more appealing than whatever age the actress was at the time. There's probably some focus group data that says the Harry Potter fan base has a significant overlap with Disney remakes so Emma makes more marketable sense than some house hold name A-lister.
That said, casting was poor for Cinderella too.
Vincent Alexander's posted graphs are fascinating but not surprising. Emma Stone's recent roles were jarring with the significant age difference and I thought she was much older than that, which make it worse. It's hard to tell some actresses real age.
Maybe that's Hollywood's fault for the youth movement in leading actresses. When you constantly have a 20 year old playing a 30 year old, your perception of what is an acceptable age for that role gets warped. Anne Hathaway, for example, looks much older to me than someone in their mid 30's. So to have her playing a 20 year old would be a stretch even more than your average CW highschool role.
That said, casting was poor for Cinderella too.
Vincent Alexander's posted graphs are fascinating but not surprising. Emma Stone's recent roles were jarring with the significant age difference and I thought she was much older than that, which make it worse. It's hard to tell some actresses real age.
Maybe that's Hollywood's fault for the youth movement in leading actresses. When you constantly have a 20 year old playing a 30 year old, your perception of what is an acceptable age for that role gets warped. Anne Hathaway, for example, looks much older to me than someone in their mid 30's. So to have her playing a 20 year old would be a stretch even more than your average CW highschool role.
That was true, because historically women couldn't support their children themselves. Now that the norm is to have two-earners, I think priorities will shift, especially when the health risks to children of older fathers becomes more well known. If you have a job and can support yourself, you don't need to hunt down an older man and risk children with health problems. You can find someone your own age.
nelsonroyale
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Yeah, an antiquated double standard. Fuck it
It doesn't really deserve a high level conversation. It is base prejudice and should be changed period. Sure there are situations that skew both ways, but as a rule it is unjustifiable. As for real world dynamics, it seems to me in most countries with higher levels of education and affluence, ages increasingly allign, with 0-5 years difference max being within the norm.
It doesn't really deserve a high level conversation. It is base prejudice and should be changed period. Sure there are situations that skew both ways, but as a rule it is unjustifiable. As for real world dynamics, it seems to me in most countries with higher levels of education and affluence, ages increasingly allign, with 0-5 years difference max being within the norm.
This isn't always the case though. Some women continue to "have it" even as they get older (Monica belluci, Amy Adams, Julianne Moore, etc). But yeah, most model careers end as they get closer to 30 and if Hollywood is looking for the model look... then they will cast accordingly
Amy Adams is a strange case, but Monica Bellucci had two Hollywood films in the last decade, Spectre and The Sorcerer's Apprentice. Julianne Moore has mostly been cast as authority figures of age, not sexy counterpart to let's say Tom Cruise or Tom Hanks. They are up there in the category of Meryl Streep, Judi Dench, ... Amy Adams on the other hand, it seems just impossible she is 40.
Zoe
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But not in the "princess" role.
Caddywompus
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Amy Adams is unique because she really didn't make it big til she was 30. She was able to carve out a niche role because of that, younger than the aging A-listers but able to play older than the young type casted roles.
Actresses like Gwyneth Paltrow, Halle Berry, Jennifer Connelly, Julia Roberts, Selma Hayek, Kim Basinger, Meg Ryan, have all disappeared from A-list actress roles. Some of that may be due to family which actors never seem impacted by but woman can't help but have their career impacted.
CaviarMeths
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...Well I feel silly.
I wasn't willfully ignoring it, but I honestly don't remember that conversation between Vergara and Favreau. Maybe I went to get a drink or something. Without that, I didn't even take the scene where Favreau cooks for Johansson as romantic. Friends cook for friends, I dunno. The dialogue in the scene wasn't romantic. They were talking about a food truck.
Finaika
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Isn't Lois older than Clark in the comics too?
eso76
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True, but that's been the norm for a relatively short period in terms of "evolution".
I agree priorities will shift, but it will take a few more decades before it becomes part of our natural behaviour.
I believe "ideal fathers" will still be males in the 30/38 years range for a while and with life expectations raising and men and women looking much younger than their counterparts from just a few decades ago, things might even out.
That's a really reductive way to see things. I bet it's much more varied and complicated than that.
Morrigan Stark
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lightskintwin
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Bianca Lawson has played teenage girls for almost 20 years.
Damn, she's almost 40? She's great currently on Queen Sugar and looks young as hell on that show.
It reminds me of Renee Elise Goldsberry who's 46 and originated the Angelica Schuyler role in Hamilton and was playing Mimi in Rent 9 years ago, who's a 19 year old in the musical, while she was 36 years old.
ZackieChan
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Did you see the look on her face when he was cooking?
Man, he looks disgustingly out of shape in that movie, though. Dat must be some good food he's making.
I just watched it a few days ago, so it's fresh in my mind!
FortuneFaded
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Never trust a thin chef.
The prince is cursed and will forever remain The Beast unless he finds real love before he turns 21.
Bruce Springsteen
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Corny and disgusting
More proof that the WB is breeding forever-youngs.
Well this is an adaption of the animated movie.
ZackieChan
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oh fo sho
I couldn't agree more. They're appalling!
Glad to see you've turned a corner on supporting an incompetent racist.
However, I turned a corner on the image. And deleted it. Ain't Melania's fault she's trapped there. She's probably as much a victim of him as any of us, and made her decisions about him when she was young.
nocturnalis
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Finding out what age Renee doesn't shock me, as I was watching her 15 years ago on One Life to Live. Bianca Lawson doesn't shock me because I remember seeing her on Sister Sister.
starchild excalibur
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Dan Stevens was definitely too old to play Beast, if Beast was supposed to be 20 going on 21. The issue of women being defined more by their looks and youthfulness is a problem that persists in Hollywood, and I'm sure certainly played a role in some people feeling Anne Hathaway may be too old to play Belle.
However, I, too, think her age would be problematic with the character of Belle in its current form. She's supposed to be someone who hasn't hit 20 yet, that's still at an age where she's largely dependent on her father, and is the object of desire at least in part because of her age. Hathaway is young and still very youthful, but she simply doesn't work if the story doesn't change to accommodate Belle being a bit older than she's supposed to be.
I think the issues that the OP is talking about are better highlighted in what Maggie Gyllenhaal experienced not long ago and in how much younger females tend to be than their male romantic interests, even in new stories and properties that may not be so beholden to any kind of established folklore.
However, I, too, think her age would be problematic with the character of Belle in its current form. She's supposed to be someone who hasn't hit 20 yet, that's still at an age where she's largely dependent on her father, and is the object of desire at least in part because of her age. Hathaway is young and still very youthful, but she simply doesn't work if the story doesn't change to accommodate Belle being a bit older than she's supposed to be.
I think the issues that the OP is talking about are better highlighted in what Maggie Gyllenhaal experienced not long ago and in how much younger females tend to be than their male romantic interests, even in new stories and properties that may not be so beholden to any kind of established folklore.
StalkerUKCG
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Natalie dormer is 35 she regularly plays late teenagers - early 20's roles. Game of Thrones and Hunger Games
Anna Kendrick is 31. She looks early to mid 20's and regularly places roles around that age.
Aubrey Plaza is 32. Again frequently cast in younger roles
DudeWithNoName
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I remember being in high school, watching 90210. And Dylan McKay was thinning and had fucking crows feet.
John Kowalski
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I don't know if people are posting women who are older and acing younger roles in an attempt to prove some exception to the point of this thread... but if that's the case, all you're doing is pointing out the extended damage of this narrative that women in fiction have to be old, namely that not only are younger actresses given preference because the character itself is positioned as a younger woman, but some women keep doing those characters even though they're beyond their age sector, literally reinforcing the narrative that women have to be young, either truthfully or with a manufactured youth.
The problem is that older women are not being legitimized as valuable characters.
The problem is that older women are not being legitimized as valuable characters.
StalkerUKCG
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GoT, Daredevil, Sons of Anarchy, Supernatural, Elementary, Fringe, The majority of police/crime procedurals, Agent's of S.H.I.E.L.D, Luke Cage, Penny Dreadful, Stargate, Star Trek.
All feature middle age or older actresses playing parts suiting their age. Those are just off the top of my head. I mean I understand an argument can be made for older women not getting as many acting roles but lets not pretend it's "rare" to see a woman above 25 in anything barring shows aiming for a Tween-Teen audience
Luke Cage also featured two love interests for Luke who were played by actresses who were actually within 3 years of Mike Colter's age, despite the fact that he's 40. Most of the cast also looked amazing.
Edit: I forgot about Misty. Simone was a bit younger, but she's still in her mid 30s.
entremet
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Bianca Lawson has played teenage girls for almost 20 years.
wow!
John Kowalski
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That's.... beside the point i was making.
Sora the Cat
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I just want to say that Anne Hathaway looks nothing like Belle.
Gamer @ Heart
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This would be were make up and wardrobe factor in.
The internet has this weird obsession with casting roles based on how an actor looks in every day life.
archangelmorph
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Charlize Theron is still killing it too...
The Albatross
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Western society has always been more accepting of a younger, more beautiful woman with an older, less attractive man. The majority of movies and TV shows represent this. The typical example is King of Queens, where fat, ugly Kevin James has ridiculously hot, younger, thinner wife, Leah Remini (SP?).
But even beyond entertainment, the idea of an older man being romantic with a younger woman is something that's always been the case in Western civ. While there are, of course, plenty of examples of the opposite, history is far dominated by the older man seeking a younger woman. Like everything, there is probably some influence of evolutionary biology here (and that typically men can reproduce much later than women can, and that being a father is much less dangerous than being a mother) -- not simply just the Patriarchy -- but our own biases come out with this as well. If you're a 30 year old man very few people think twice about you dating a 27 year old woman, but if it's the opposite, a 30 year old woman dating a 27 year man, there's a strong reaction against that from more people, men and women.
That said, in terms of casting women, I think Hathaway would be fine though I personally prefer Watson more. It makes sense that Beast could be cast by an older actor than Belle. Beast seems much older throughout the animated movie (and probably going back to the original folk story). He's a world-weary person who's been exiled for decades (?) to this remote tower. There's a feeling of permanency for Beast, that he's existed much longer in the world than Belle, and Beast has always been animated with "older" behavior than Belle. Belle is carefree and takes chances, while Beast is hesitant to do something out of the ordinary, and he's world-weary. Beast much more accurately fits stereotypes of older people, so for him to be cast as an older actor I think makes sense.
As Disney live-actions other animated movies I think we'll see this continue but with some others to a lesser extent. Aladin seems to be about the same age as Princess Jasmine, though I'd expect there to be a similar casting of an actor who is a few years older than the actress, simply because of explicit bias in Hollywood and more passive bias by the public.
But even beyond entertainment, the idea of an older man being romantic with a younger woman is something that's always been the case in Western civ. While there are, of course, plenty of examples of the opposite, history is far dominated by the older man seeking a younger woman. Like everything, there is probably some influence of evolutionary biology here (and that typically men can reproduce much later than women can, and that being a father is much less dangerous than being a mother) -- not simply just the Patriarchy -- but our own biases come out with this as well. If you're a 30 year old man very few people think twice about you dating a 27 year old woman, but if it's the opposite, a 30 year old woman dating a 27 year man, there's a strong reaction against that from more people, men and women.
That said, in terms of casting women, I think Hathaway would be fine though I personally prefer Watson more. It makes sense that Beast could be cast by an older actor than Belle. Beast seems much older throughout the animated movie (and probably going back to the original folk story). He's a world-weary person who's been exiled for decades (?) to this remote tower. There's a feeling of permanency for Beast, that he's existed much longer in the world than Belle, and Beast has always been animated with "older" behavior than Belle. Belle is carefree and takes chances, while Beast is hesitant to do something out of the ordinary, and he's world-weary. Beast much more accurately fits stereotypes of older people, so for him to be cast as an older actor I think makes sense.
As Disney live-actions other animated movies I think we'll see this continue but with some others to a lesser extent. Aladin seems to be about the same age as Princess Jasmine, though I'd expect there to be a similar casting of an actor who is a few years older than the actress, simply because of explicit bias in Hollywood and more passive bias by the public.
The Albatross
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I feel like this is part of a different "story", namely that of casting high-schoolers with way older actors. Here for example:
This is supposedly four 16 year olds. In order they are actually 22, 24, 17, 25. Barton is the only one even close to what she's playing.
Aye, and that 16-year-old actors are also much more difficult to hire and get to act right depending on your project. Sort of like how Game of Thrones has people in their mid-30s playing the role of 16-20 year olds. THere's just not enough great actors/actresses who fit your roles, have talent, are discoverable, and can be hired to play these roles.
Caddywompus
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That has less to do with social acceptance and more to do with being a comedic trope. Adam Sandler is shameless at casting an out of his league beauty just because he can. Really can you blame him, you would do the same. Most comedians turned actors do this for comedic effect but really what option do they have with the way most look. With Hollywood centered around appearance, none of these Everyday Joe comedians have any other option than gorgeous women. Hollywood doesn't cast below average looking women.
None of the actress' you mentioned are any good though. Amy Adams continues to make it in the movie industry because she can act
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