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[Zoe]

None of the actress' you mentioned are any good though. Amy Adams continues to make it in the movie industry because she can act

Er... The general public disagrees with you there considering that all but one have won or been nominated for Academy Awards.

 

[Wollan]

Beauty and the Beast is set hundreds of years ago. If a man had money and was a good provider no one would look twice if the bride was half his age.

 

[JKRMA]

Er... The general public disagrees with you there considering that all but one have won or been nominated for Academy Awards.

Lol, you saying that the Oscars are the be all end all?

 

[Speevy]

Damn it give Amy Adams a fucking Oscar already.

 

[kswiston]

Aye, and that 16-year-old actors are also much more difficult to hire and get to act right depending on your project. Sort of like how Game of Thrones has people in their mid-30s playing the role of 16-20 year olds. THere's just not enough great actors/actresses who fit your roles, have talent, are discoverable, and can be hired to play these roles.

Game of Thrones is an odd example because they aged up most of the cast, adults included. Book Ned Stark was supposed to be in his mid-30s based on the timeline given, and his age during Robert's rebellion. In the show, he's clearly supposed to be somewhere in his early to mid 40s. Way more time has passed in the show from S1 to S6 than in the books as well.

I am guessing that Robb and Jon were supposed to be 17-18 at the start of the show, when both of the actors would have been around 24 when they started shooting. Ditto for Theon.

Jack Gleeson was probably one of the more extreme examples. He's clearly supposed to be around the same age as Sansa at the start of the show (13?), but the actor was 17-18 when they started shooting that first season. Sophie Turner was the age she was playing. Maisie Williams was maybe a year older. They aged up Bran to 10 in the show, and actor was around 10 when they started filming. I don't know how old show Danyerys is supposed to be, but she isn't 13. My guess would be around 18 like Jon/Robb/Theon based on the revised timeline.

I can't think of any major characters who were supposed to be in their late teens but were being played by 35 year olds.

 

[Zoe]

Lol, you saying that the Oscars are the be all end all?

I wouldn't say they're the end all, but I would say it means someone is good at what they do.

 

[Speevy]

I wouldn't say they're the end all, but I would say it means someone is good at what they do.

Jennifer Lawrence has one and has been nominated for 3 more.

I don't think it's as hard to do as you think.

 

[faridmon]

Er... The general public disagrees with you there considering that all but one have won or been nominated for Academy Awards.

And the awards snubbed Amy Adams despite being a better actor

Opinions of the general critics means little. There is a reason why directors keep employing Amy and not the others.

Watching the likes of Halle Berry and Selma Hayek act is like watching dry paint. Very painful. Thank god they are not active and we have better actresses these days.

 

[btrboyev]

I remember being in high school, watching 90210. And Dylan McKay was thinning and had fucking crows feet.

He was only 23 starting 90210. But yeah looked older for his 20's

 

[ZackieChan]

Jennifer Lawrence has one and has been nominated for 3 more.

I don't think it's as hard to do as you think.

Yep, super easy to win an Oscar.

And the awards snubbed Amy Adams despite being a better actor

Opinions of the general critics means little. There is a reason why directors keep employing Amy and not the others.

Watching the likes of Halle Berry and Selma Hayek act is like watching dry paint. Very painful. Thank god they are not active and we have better actresses these days.

What the fuck am I reading with these two posts. I get not personally liking the listed actresses, but saying they're bad actresses and that these days we have better ones is just a silly comment.

 

[broncobuster]

Damn it give Amy Adams a fucking Oscar already.

Apparently her being great in both Arrival and Nocturnal Animals hurt her chances of getting nominated for either.

 

[kswiston]

Apparently her being great in both Arrival and Nocturnal Animals hurt her chances of getting nominated for either.

Yup. They nominate parts, not people, but a lot of the people doing the nominating probably avoid putting two roles from one actor on their ballot. I probably would myself. There's always a ton of people that deserve recognition in a given year.

 

[Caddywompus]

None of the actress' you mentioned are any good though. Amy Adams continues to make it in the movie industry because she can act

I give you Salma Hayek but it's not like I listed Cameron Diaz, Jennifer Lopez, Jennifer Garner, Kate Beckensale

 

[lightskintwin]

And the awards snubbed Amy Adams despite being a better actor

Opinions of the general critics means little. There is a reason why directors keep employing Amy and not the others.

Watching the likes of Halle Berry and Selma Hayek act is like watching dry paint. Very painful. Thank god they are not active and we have better actresses these days.

It's amazing how you view the world in extremes.

 

[ZackieChan]

It's amazing how you view the world in extremes.

I mean, he watches paint that's ALREADY DRY

 

[Herne]

The problem is, in the original, the prince had until his 21st birthday to convinced someone to willingly love him.

So is Belle supposed to be 11 in that movie by your logic? In this movie, they aged him up for some unknown reason.

Let's not start talking logic when it comes to Beauty and the Beast as Disney envisioned it. Beast as a ten or eleven year old childishly refused an ugly old woman residence in his castle and so he is cursed to remain a beast until he loves someone and is loved in return until his 21st birthday, at which randomly chosen point he and his innocent castle staff will be stuck as they are forever. Because that makes sense. Because a prince with that size of castle and all the power it suggests he originally wielded would be answering the "door" at night.

 

[AgentOtaku]

Remember the complete cluster fuck that is Spectre?

They cast gawdess Monica Bellucci to finally play an older Bond girl
....and she got, what, two scenes?

Then Bond proceeds to fuck Mr. White's daughter who probably old enough to be his own

....ugh, fuck that movie

 

[Veidt]

Bianca Lawson has played teenage girls for almost 20 years.

I knew this girl looked familiar.
This is bananas.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Males simply age better than females. Even many (most?) women seem to acknowledge that.

Males usually peak in their mid 30s in terms of attractiveness, women in their mid 20s.

 

[massoluk]

Bianca Lawson has played teenage girls for almost 20 years.

The hell....

 

[neoanarch]

The hell....

To be fair. According to Wikipedia she's playing a teacher her own age in Teen Wolf.

 

[harriet the spy]

Males simply age better than females. Even many (most?) women seem to acknowledge that.

Males usually peak in their mid 30s in terms of attractiveness, women in their mid 20s.

Even if that were true (I think a lot is social conditioning), that would explain a 10 year difference. Not 20 or 30. Plus those older actors really aren't looking that great now.

 

[ronaldthump]

Yeah, I still can't fathom how Tom Cruise look like in his late 20s

He does not though. Old Tom is looking rough in the new jack reacher. Looks 40++

but these stars have great health care + diet/ personal chefs (and plastic surgery)

so they'll always look younger

 

[miller.skippins]

Because when you hit 30 you immediately become unattractive and can't be put on a screen of course!

Diane Lane at age 50 still got me hot and steamy though...

 

[faridmon]

Yep, super easy to win an Oscar.



What the fuck am I reading with these two posts. I get not personally liking the listed actresses, but saying they're bad actresses and that these days we have better ones is just a silly comment.

Disregarding the politics of Oscars (There are plenty of amazing actors and actresses who never got nominated) I don't think Jennifer Lawrence deserves the accolades.

I am sorry, while I agree that the problem with female actresses are epidemics and Holywood industry lean heavily in sexism realm, I hope we find actresses that are worthy enough to make that argument.

 

[Monocle]

Because male and female ideals of beauty are driven by culture and simple genetic imperatives.

I suspect that culture has more influence than instinct or genetics, but cutlure itself may be driven by baser imperatives.

So at a super dumb, reductive, wholly unscientific level - young, nubile (that word literlly means ready or prepared for marriage) and healthy women are perceived both by (most) cultures and possibly by simple animal instincts, as more suitable for safe and successive childbirtth than older women.


Since a male of this species can continue to breed safely well into middle and even old age, the genetic imperatives are probably different too. So an older man who's healthy and fit can be perceived as a suitable breeder. And if he's wealthy to boot, then a good provider. And we see that in society too - older men with wealth and power get to define ideals by reinforcing qualities, or messaging that those qualities are desirable, they themselves possess.

But the above is ONLY meaningful if you think of attractiveness and beauty as mere genetic achievements. I think it's much more complicated than that, and in this culture, with this level of medicine and stability, you're already seeing ideals for beauty in women moving in the right (and sometimes wrong) directions - not just age, but other aesthetic aspects - weight, height, skin color, etc etc etc.

One super ugly aspect of cultural definitions of beauty is that the western fashion industry has developed a bit of a monopoly on beauty ideals, and so you're literally seeing a small group of (unfortunately usually men, but women - Anna Wintour, tons of designers too) people defining a frightening and unhelathy ideal based largely on ridiculous silhouettes that clothes look good on, and an unhealthy drive for youth above all else.

And of course we see evolutions of this in art. No coincidence that reinnaissance ideals of beauty define a kind of robust healthy look above other aspects. They still skew young though, whichgoes back to my original premise.



Kind of a cheat, since the movie was ABOUT that in some ways and leaned into it.

Good observations here.

 

[ramparter]

Remember the complete cluster fuck that is Spectre?

They cast gawdess Monica Bellucci to finally play an older Bond girl
....and she got, what, two scenes?

Then Bond proceeds to fuck Mr. White's daughter who probably old enough to be his own

....ugh, fuck that movie

Great way to show that age doesn't matter.

 

[Ray Wonder]

Probably has something to do with evolution

 

[old manatee]

Males simply age better than females. Even many (most?) women seem to acknowledge that.

Males usually peak in their mid 30s in terms of attractiveness, women in their mid 20s.

 

[JimmyRustler]

One super ugly aspect of cultural definitions of beauty is that the western fashion industry has developed a bit of a monopoly on beauty ideals, and so you're literally seeing a small group of (unfortunately usually men, but women - Anna Wintour, tons of designers too) people defining a frightening and unhelathy ideal based largely on ridiculous silhouettes that clothes look good on, and an unhealthy drive for youth above all else.

Nah... I dunno.... Hasn't the fashion industry tried to make this super skinny model look the ideal for a long time? Yet it has never caught on and most consider this fitness model look as the beauty ideal.

 

[Stiflers Mom]

Nah... I dunno.... Hasn't the fashion industry tried to make this super skinny model look the ideal for a long time? Yet it has never caught on and most consider this fitness model look as the beauty ideal.

Men do usually dig the fitness look lots more (at least the ones that I talk with). Skinny model looks usually creep most guys out in real life.

Most women I have met and talked about this secretly idealize that skinny model type, even if they trash talk about it in public.

This is just anecdotal, though, off course.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

Nah... I dunno.... Hasn't the fashion industry tried to make this super skinny model look the ideal for a long time? Yet it has never caught on and most consider this fitness model look as the beauty ideal.

Fashion industry still heavily promotes the 5'11 size 00 model as the ideal woman

 

[DOWN]

There is a funny sketch that talks about this that I love :
Amy Schumer : Last Fuckable Day

Was going to post this lmao

 

[Mortimer Brewster]

Daniel Craig did have the awesome quote regarding Monica Belluchi being a "Bond Girl" in Spectre. When asked about her being the oldest one, he responded "You mean the first one actually Bond's age?"

Interestingly enough she wasn't the first though we have to go back to1960's Bonds to find examples. Diana Rigg is actually a year older then Lazenby and Honor Blackman is in act 5 years older then Sean Connery. Roger Moore was the birth of the pushing girls half their age on Bond. Moore even bitched about it when he Tanya Roberts ,who was young enough to be his grand daughter was chosen to be his love interest in A View to A KIll.

 

[hiredhand]

Leading actresses "peaking" younger can also be seen at the Oscars.

Adrian Brody is at 29 the youngest best actor winner ever. In total there has been 31 best actress winners younger than Brody.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

Edge of Tomorrow was weird to me cause Tom Cruise is like 50 but Emily Blunt was only 30.

Tom looks a lot younger than he is. Not once was there a moment where there was an evident age issue during the movie. The moral of the story is that if you're gonna criticize EoT, you're about to get these hands breh.

And the awards snubbed Amy Adams despite being a better actor

Opinions of the general critics means little. There is a reason why directors keep employing Amy and not the others.

Watching the likes of Halle Berry and Selma Hayek act is like watching dry paint. Very painful. Thank god they are not active and we have better actresses these days.

If you yell my opinion matters more than everyone else's, someone might actually hear you.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Tom looks a lot younger than he is. Not once was there a moment where there was an evident age issue during the movie. The moral of the story is that if you're gonna criticize EoT, you're about to get these hands breh.
.

Tom Cruse also married someone 16 years younger than him in real life

 

[StalkerUKCG]

That's.... beside the point i was making.

I fail to see how it is when you specifically said

The problem is that older women are not being legitimized as valuable characters.

And I provided an off the cuff list of shows that have older women being legitimized as valuable characters. Plenty of those shows have older women in very pivotal rules.

If I've misunderstood your point I'm sorry but here's how I see the acting world

Young female actors are getting pivotal parts
Older female actors are getting pivotal parts as younger actors because the story dictates the age and they visually suit the part (look young)
Older female actors after getting pivotal parts as older female characters

Do some older female actors get passed over? Sure. The reasons are numerable but ultimate it comes to audience reception. Casting 69 old Arnie in something gives it a certain appeal and it's difficult to find many women from that era with the same level of "pop culture identity" but they do exist. Judi Dench, Diana Rigg, Meryl Streep, Sigourney Weaver.

There is less because lets be realistic here. Female casting 25 years ago was a different game to what it is now and because of that less talented female actors made it "BIG" than their male counterparts. And if your a 60 year old woman "BIG" casting roles are not readily available and when they are their is a glut of talented, recognizable females that can fill the role. But in comparison their isn't many "BIG" roles for a 60 year old male actor.

 

[John Kowalski]

I fail to see how it is when you specifically said



And I provided an off the cuff list of shows that have older women being legitimized as valuable characters. Plenty of those shows have older women in very pivotal rules.

If I've misunderstood your point I'm sorry but here's how I see the acting world

Young female actors are getting pivotal parts
Older female actors are getting pivotal parts as younger actors because the story dictates the age and they visually suit the part (look young)
Older female actors after getting pivotal parts as older female characters

Do some older female actors get passed over? Sure. The reasons are numerable but ultimate it comes to audience reception. Casting 69 old Arnie in something gives it a certain appeal and it's difficult to find many women from that era with the same level of "pop culture identity" but they do exist. Judi Dench, Diana Rigg, Meryl Streep, Sigourney Weaver.

There is less because lets be realistic here. Female casting 25 years ago was a different game to what it is now and because of that less talented female actors made it "BIG" than their male counterparts. And if your a 60 year old woman "BIG" casting roles are not readily available and when they are their is a glut of talented, recognizable females that can fill the role. But in comparison their isn't many "BIG" roles for a 60 year old male actor.

Yes, but I was pointing out that the posts I mentioned were not acting in favor of the thread's argument (as seemed to be the intentions of their posters), but against it... Sorry for the late response.

 

[eso76]

That's a really reductive way to see things. I bet it's much more varied and complicated than that.

It's biology, it's in our instinct.
I didn't say "just" by that, i said "more", especially compared to men.

In the end it all boils down to biology and survival of the species; as with all mammals, men have it as their instinct to mate with as many females as possible to ensure bigger chances of continuation of the species. There are specific reason for the things we find attractive: features, shapes..basically everything is related to what we perceive as healthy and fecund. Age, being one factor.

Women, on the other hand, have to choose and are more 'monogamous' by nature, because carrying children and giving birth will leave them unable to "hunt" and provide for them for a long time. They will choose to mate with the male that shows the best qualities both in terms of features the children will inherit and ability to provide for them.

We like to think we're a lot more complicated than that, but these are our basic and stronger instincts. Survival, and survival of the species.
In modern society things have started shifting and we are evolving past that, but it's going to take a long time.