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[DKehoe]

Here's another thought experiment:

Who would you rather fight?

A skilled MMA fighter who sticks to MMA rules. Or a skilled commando soldier who uses military self-defense?

Why would an MMA fighter stick to MMA rules in a street fight? It's a myth that there are these secret forbidden techniques. Yes, you can't kick someone in the balls in an MMA fight. But if a real fight kicks off there's no reason they can't groin strike or eye gouge like anyone else if they need to. They also just have a bunch of other techniques they can use.

These kinds of things always remind me of this story Bas Rutten (a former MMA fighter) told about giving a seminar and a bunch of guys from a bullshido gym showed up.

 

[Aces High]

“Commando soldiers” do not have magic powers or secret ultimate dim mak techniques. They use guns.

If there wasn't a use case, these systems wouldn't exist.

 

[Aces High]

Why would an MMA fighter stick to MMA rules in a street fight? It's a myth that there are these secret forbidden techniques. Yes, you can't kick someone in the balls in an MMA fight. But if a real fight kicks off there's no reason they can't groin strike or eye gouge like anyone else if they need to. They also just have a bunch of other techniques they can use.

These kinds of things always remind me of this story Bas Rutten (a former MMA fighter) told about giving a seminar and a bunch of guys from a bullshido gym showed up.

OP specificaly talked about chaotic and uncontrollable situations in dangerous areas. He said he got into a 2v1 situation. That's exactly what military self-defense systems are designed for.

So if he started to train MMA, he would probably spend some time learning grappling and ground fighting. But that's exactly what you want to avoid in OPs situation as it leaves him vulnerable to a second attacker.

 

[stn]

Boxing and general self-defense are ideal. If you are out-numbered, you will not want to wrestle or use your legs for anything other than movement. This is why I think kick boxing can be risky, because a guy can run in you while you are busy kicking the other.

 

[Aces High]

Things to consider:

If MMA was the ultimate fighting style for every scenario, it would be taught exclusively. But that's not the case.

- How to not get surrounded in a multi-attacker scenario?
- How to defend against armed attackers?
- How to deal with bad lighting conditions?
- How to deal with obstacles and uneven grounds?
- How to fight in confined spaces?
- How to fight with tight business clothing?
- How to deal with drugged attackers (amphetamines for example)?

These things are important to know in a chaotic street fight situation. And military self-defense systems consider them.

Another important aspect is mental fortitude.

It's one thing if an athlete prepares for a sports competition of which every variable is known upfront. But it's a completely different situation if two attackers approach you and your girl in a dark alley and one of them draws a knife. How do you react if shit hits the fan?

 

[GymWolf]

Things to consider:

If MMA was the ultimate fighting style for every scenario, it would be taught exclusively. But that's not the case.

- How to not get surrounded in a multi-attacker scenario?
- How to defend against armed attackers?
- How to deal with bad lighting conditions?
- How to deal with obstacles and uneven grounds?
- How to fight in confined spaces?
- How to fight with tight business clothing?
- How to deal with drugged attackers (amphetamines for example)?

These things are important to know in a chaotic street fight situation. And military self-defense systems consider them.

Another important aspect is mental fortitude.

It's one thing if an athlete prepares for a sports competition of which every variable is known upfront. But it's a completely different situation if two attackers approach you and your girl in a dark alley and one of them draws a knife. How do you react if shit hits the fan?

Mma prepare you for everything.

Standing up from bottom check
Throwing and blocking kicks, check
Throwing and blocking punches check
Anti-wrestling or taking down someone, check
Grappling from standing, check
Grappling on the ground, check.
Submission attack and defense, check


Most other martial arts only teach you a limited amount of stuff, this is why the new generation of mma fighter are always better than the last, because they give up being specialized in one thing and they get good at everything so they can mix up.

 

[dave_d]

Boxing to start. You can learn basics very quickly and will be able to cope with the majority of people, even of different sizes if you can box better than them. Most people can't at all even if they think they are rocky. You can use it at an old age or if you get fat, it will always be with you.

Other methods can be learnt later.

Just to expand on this even a little bit of training can help you understand how to throw a punch. I mean this guy



shows in a few minutes some basic mistakes pretty much lots of untrained fighters make.

 

[poppabk]

Mma prepare you for everything.

Standing up from bottom check
Throwing and blocking kicks, check
Throwing and blocking punches check
Anti-wrestling or taking down someone, check
Grappling from standing, check
Grappling on the ground, check.
Submission attack and defense, check


Most other martial arts only teach you a limited amount of stuff, this is why the new generation of mma fighter are always better than the last, because they give up being specialized in one thing and they get good at everything so they can mix up.

Most of that is useless in a street fight with multiple opponents though. Just like a lot of boxing is useless in those moments as well.
You aren't going to be able to win on points or wear someone down with calf kicks over 15 minutes.
Basically you need to be able to strike hard and not get struck for 30 seconds.

 

[GymWolf]

Most of that is useless in a street fight with multiple opponents though. Just like a lot of boxing is useless in those moments as well.
You aren't going to be able to win on points or wear someone down with calf kicks over 15 minutes.
Basically you need to be able to strike hard and not get struck for 30 seconds.

Have you only watched point fighter fighting?

A lot of mma fighters are able to one punch or one kick ko motherfuckers so i have no idea what are you talking about...

Mma teach you the tecnique, it's on the person to apply all of that to do damage or to win with point fighting, not every dude fight the same.

 

[Brigandier]

When I see Kickboxing I assume Muay Thai or Dutch/Japanese (K1).

You learn knee and elbow strikes and clinch (neck wrestling) you won't believe how much quick damage they can do especially from those who have trained properly under a good coach even for a short period, You land either one of those on someone which is a lot easier than you think when you're in each other's faces and your would be attackers are untrained, People are going quickly or they're getting extremely bad cuts, Out on their feet and broken noses, orbitals and jaws.

Let's not forget trips and sweeps that are learned, they fucking hurt on concrete.

Why not learn both and be competent at boxing elbow knees kicks, If you break your hand which is quite easy in a street fight people's skulls and faces are harder than you think, What you gonna do???

Also if you're in a good Kickboxing gym your boxing skills should be very good anyway, Since when did Kickboxing become Kicking only? Elbows and Knees are disgusting and put people out quick.

You want to be well trained in forms of fighting/self defense that's quick powerful and explosive as the longer shit drags on the more likely you're gonna get overwhelmed and then fucked up, especially on solid ground good luck doing your BJJ or Wrestling on the car park when 3 guys are throwing hail Mary's at you and want to kick your skull in.

Boxing for sure is very very important but you also need your close range weapons and that's why Muay Thai and K1 is gold standard.

I'd still learn to wrestle and grapple though because in a 1 on 1 good luck against a grappler who can strike, plus it improves your balance and posture strength beyond words

 

[Aces High]

I talked with my barber about this topic.

He does MMA and has been working as a bouncer for years.

He's been in life threatening situations multiple times, stabbed in the back with a knife, had a gun held at his head, attacked with car, the full program.

So about this multi-attacker situation:

He told me a story about a local swinger club where he worked for a long time. It's basically a night club with integrated hotel. One night they had a new guy watching the door. A rule in this club is that as a man, you don't get in without a woman. Four guys showed up without girls and wanted in. The new guy at the door told them to go away. What he didn't know: One of the four guys was the president of the local Hell's Angels chapter. My barber knows this dude very well because knowing with whom not to fuck is part of the job. The Hell's Angel is a MMA fighter as well. The situation escalated. Guy at the door called reinforcement. The Hell's Angels guy beat the shit out of 5 bouncers that night. Alone.

MMA vs military self-defense for street fights:

He said it doesn't matter at all. It all comes down to individual skill and aggression. He's seen boxers beating MMA guys to a pulp and vice versa. If someone wants to fuck you up, he will find a way to do so. He says you have to watch the eyes of people very carefully. Once you recognize that killer instinct gaze, you have zero chance. Just close the door and call the cops.

 

[FireFly]

OP specificaly talked about chaotic and uncontrollable situations in dangerous areas. He said he got into a 2v1 situation. That's exactly what military self-defense systems are designed for.

So if he started to train MMA, he would probably spend some time learning grappling and ground fighting. But that's exactly what you want to avoid in OPs situation as it leaves him vulnerable to a second attacker.

Someone grabbing you from behind is exactly the kind of situation where you need grappling experience to disengage as quickly as possible from them and run away. And if you are stuck with multiple attackers you are likely screwed anyway, unless there is a huge power/skill gap, since you can only attack and defend in one direction at once. It's like going up against someone with a knife, where the majority of the time you are expected to end up with fatal injuries.

 

[Kraz]

A guy in one of my martial arts class used boxing to repel a couple of muggers who targeted him going out to his car after work.

It was surprising they tried to victimize him as he had a strong looking square build, but it was dark and robbing someone doesn't show good decision making to start with.

 

[Days like these...]

Nevermind

 

[Nintendo's Witch]

if you're federated it's illegal to use it as a self-defense tool, at least here.

 

[Robot Carnival]

the topic reminded me of this. I think it was some boxer trying to defend himself after some guys started some trouble with him and his girlfriend in a restaurant.

 

[DKehoe]

This guy has the secret to the most effective form of self-defence

 

[Days like these...]

the topic reminded me of this. I think it was some boxer trying to defend himself after some guys started some trouble with him and his girlfriend in a restaurant.

I posted this video early in the thread along with a few other similar videos but it quickly got dismissed by mma fanboys.

 

[Diddy X]

Best you can do is learn how to win without fighting

 

[Kraz]

Best you can do is learn how to win without fighting

Agree.
About a year and a half ago three older teens decided to try to follow a trend at the time and attempt to make a tiktok video of an attack, with me as their chosen victim. I suspected they were on drugs. Fortunately, I was still able to de-escalate through calm engagement and get past them without physically defending myself from being attacked, then contact authorities. Occasionally, I think about how circumstances could've went and how I could still be involved with court cases.

 

[EviLore]