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[DKehoe]

Here's another thought experiment:

Who would you rather fight?

A skilled MMA fighter who sticks to MMA rules. Or a skilled commando soldier who uses military self-defense?

Why would an MMA fighter stick to MMA rules in a street fight? It's a myth that there are these secret forbidden techniques. Yes, you can't kick someone in the balls in an MMA fight. But if a real fight kicks off there's no reason they can't groin strike or eye gouge like anyone else if they need to. They also just have a bunch of other techniques they can use.

These kinds of things always remind me of this story Bas Rutten (a former MMA fighter) told about giving a seminar and a bunch of guys from a bullshido gym showed up.

 

[Aces High]

“Commando soldiers” do not have magic powers or secret ultimate dim mak techniques. They use guns.

If there wasn't a use case, these systems wouldn't exist.

 

[Aces High]

Why would an MMA fighter stick to MMA rules in a street fight? It's a myth that there are these secret forbidden techniques. Yes, you can't kick someone in the balls in an MMA fight. But if a real fight kicks off there's no reason they can't groin strike or eye gouge like anyone else if they need to. They also just have a bunch of other techniques they can use.

These kinds of things always remind me of this story Bas Rutten (a former MMA fighter) told about giving a seminar and a bunch of guys from a bullshido gym showed up.

OP specificaly talked about chaotic and uncontrollable situations in dangerous areas. He said he got into a 2v1 situation. That's exactly what military self-defense systems are designed for.

So if he started to train MMA, he would probably spend some time learning grappling and ground fighting. But that's exactly what you want to avoid in OPs situation as it leaves him vulnerable to a second attacker.

 

[stn]

Boxing and general self-defense are ideal. If you are out-numbered, you will not want to wrestle or use your legs for anything other than movement. This is why I think kick boxing can be risky, because a guy can run in you while you are busy kicking the other.

 

[Aces High]

Things to consider:

If MMA was the ultimate fighting style for every scenario, it would be taught exclusively. But that's not the case.

- How to not get surrounded in a multi-attacker scenario?
- How to defend against armed attackers?
- How to deal with bad lighting conditions?
- How to deal with obstacles and uneven grounds?
- How to fight in confined spaces?
- How to fight with tight business clothing?
- How to deal with drugged attackers (amphetamines for example)?

These things are important to know in a chaotic street fight situation. And military self-defense systems consider them.

Another important aspect is mental fortitude.

It's one thing if an athlete prepares for a sports competition of which every variable is known upfront. But it's a completely different situation if two attackers approach you and your girl in a dark alley and one of them draws a knife. How do you react if shit hits the fan?

 

[GymWolf]

Things to consider:

If MMA was the ultimate fighting style for every scenario, it would be taught exclusively. But that's not the case.

- How to not get surrounded in a multi-attacker scenario?
- How to defend against armed attackers?
- How to deal with bad lighting conditions?
- How to deal with obstacles and uneven grounds?
- How to fight in confined spaces?
- How to fight with tight business clothing?
- How to deal with drugged attackers (amphetamines for example)?

These things are important to know in a chaotic street fight situation. And military self-defense systems consider them.

Another important aspect is mental fortitude.

It's one thing if an athlete prepares for a sports competition of which every variable is known upfront. But it's a completely different situation if two attackers approach you and your girl in a dark alley and one of them draws a knife. How do you react if shit hits the fan?

Mma prepare you for everything.

Standing up from bottom check
Throwing and blocking kicks, check
Throwing and blocking punches check
Anti-wrestling or taking down someone, check
Grappling from standing, check
Grappling on the ground, check.
Submission attack and defense, check


Most other martial arts only teach you a limited amount of stuff, this is why the new generation of mma fighter are always better than the last, because they give up being specialized in one thing and they get good at everything so they can mix up.

 

[dave_d]

Boxing to start. You can learn basics very quickly and will be able to cope with the majority of people, even of different sizes if you can box better than them. Most people can't at all even if they think they are rocky. You can use it at an old age or if you get fat, it will always be with you.

Other methods can be learnt later.

Just to expand on this even a little bit of training can help you understand how to throw a punch. I mean this guy



shows in a few minutes some basic mistakes pretty much lots of untrained fighters make.

 

[poppabk]

Mma prepare you for everything.

Standing up from bottom check
Throwing and blocking kicks, check
Throwing and blocking punches check
Anti-wrestling or taking down someone, check
Grappling from standing, check
Grappling on the ground, check.
Submission attack and defense, check


Most other martial arts only teach you a limited amount of stuff, this is why the new generation of mma fighter are always better than the last, because they give up being specialized in one thing and they get good at everything so they can mix up.

Most of that is useless in a street fight with multiple opponents though. Just like a lot of boxing is useless in those moments as well.
You aren't going to be able to win on points or wear someone down with calf kicks over 15 minutes.
Basically you need to be able to strike hard and not get struck for 30 seconds.

 

[GymWolf]

Most of that is useless in a street fight with multiple opponents though. Just like a lot of boxing is useless in those moments as well.
You aren't going to be able to win on points or wear someone down with calf kicks over 15 minutes.
Basically you need to be able to strike hard and not get struck for 30 seconds.

Have you only watched point fighter fighting?

A lot of mma fighters are able to one punch or one kick ko motherfuckers so i have no idea what are you talking about...

Mma teach you the tecnique, it's on the person to apply all of that to do damage or to win with point fighting, not every dude fight the same.

 

[Brigandier]

When I see Kickboxing I assume Muay Thai or Dutch/Japanese (K1).

You learn knee and elbow strikes and clinch (neck wrestling) you won't believe how much quick damage they can do especially from those who have trained properly under a good coach even for a short period, You land either one of those on someone which is a lot easier than you think when you're in each other's faces and your would be attackers are untrained, People are going quickly or they're getting extremely bad cuts, Out on their feet and broken noses, orbitals and jaws.

Let's not forget trips and sweeps that are learned, they fucking hurt on concrete.

Why not learn both and be competent at boxing elbow knees kicks, If you break your hand which is quite easy in a street fight people's skulls and faces are harder than you think, What you gonna do???

Also if you're in a good Kickboxing gym your boxing skills should be very good anyway, Since when did Kickboxing become Kicking only? Elbows and Knees are disgusting and put people out quick.

You want to be well trained in forms of fighting/self defense that's quick powerful and explosive as the longer shit drags on the more likely you're gonna get overwhelmed and then fucked up, especially on solid ground good luck doing your BJJ or Wrestling on the car park when 3 guys are throwing hail Mary's at you and want to kick your skull in.

Boxing for sure is very very important but you also need your close range weapons and that's why Muay Thai and K1 is gold standard.

I'd still learn to wrestle and grapple though because in a 1 on 1 good luck against a grappler who can strike, plus it improves your balance and posture strength beyond words