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Adobe introduces MUSE: create websites without needing to know HTML
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This would be amazing if they could clean up the code and get it working well enough. I'm a graphic designer that's strong with Illustrator, InDesign, and Photoshop, but can't code a website very well, since my college dicked me out of web design classes. I can code a website that works, but I'm sure the code I'm using is only slightly less bad than what this thing could spit out. That and when I do coding it's slow as hell.
Always-honest
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why exactly?Buckethead said:
nVidiot_Whore said:
it's not to replace that i think. It's more to make simple sites that have little change other than uploading a new version. But it's great for designers and illustrators who are hesitant to learn how to make a site. And they can now make it exactly like they want, without some template (or with a template that they can customise like they want with tools that they know.)
I hope it turns out well. I-web will only do a little. This might do more in terms of presentation.
I don't think true programmers need to be worried..
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
It crashes constantly?EmSeta said:
Devolution
Member
Dude just learn HTML. It's easier than ever.
Phoenix said:But I don't want to learn anything. I want to rehash my design skills and I don't care that it performs like shit
Adobe already has a thing on their website where you can upload a psd and have it transform into HTML. Why not just use that? It's a bit pricey but I'm sure better than this POS software.
victreeb3l
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if this software is subscription based, why not just use something like squarespace?
Always-honest
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So far it's just a beta that's obviously not for you.TheBranca18 said:
Typographenia
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I look forward to the day that building websites works exactly like using photoshop. It will be a glorious society!
ThatObviousUser
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This is horrible.
Text editors or bust.
Text editors or bust.
ThatObviousUser
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RDreamer said:
CSS is basically like using properties in any Adobe program. It's pretty dead simple really.
Always-honest
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Why? And for who?Andrex said:
ThatObviousUser
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Always-honest said:
Using view source on the demo site for this is like stabbing my eyes with a rusty, salt-encrusted piece of glass. Over and over again. Blood spurting out the edges of my sockets around the broken shard.
If this were for anything but HTML it would have my full endorsement. But as said, there's already so many WYSIWYG editors, and better ones, and HTML/CSS positioning is so easy a 9 year old could do it.
On the other hand Edge has my full support because that's an area that isn't nearly as crowded and there's a definite need for a tool like that. And even though the code it outputs isn't great, it's miles above what Muse vomits.
Andrex said:
Yeah, I know CSS, and coded my own website in css. It is mostly pretty simple, but I still can't shake the feeling that I'm doing things inefficiently or something. I mean the stuff comes out, and looks fine on multiple browsers and devices, so maybe I'm just paranoid. My website loads up on everything fine, though I know I could have done it better. Recently I was employed by a place that uses dotnetnuke for their web stuff, and that was kind of a bitch figuring out how to do the CSS on it. I'm very certain I could have done things much more efficiently on that site, but the obtuseness of it all just threw me for a loop, so I have individual pages all CSS coded instead of a master CSS working for everything (since the master CSS on that thing isn't even a master of everything...)
I can't really code by memory, though. I don't have all the weird punctuation stuff down, yet, so I mostly find stuff through google to make sure I'm doing it right or copy my own code from previous projects or pages and then edit things from there. I kind of have to figure things out again every time I do something. I'll probably have it down soon just by doing that, though.
Still, it feels very inefficient to design something in Illustrator and/or Photoshop, and then have to basically remake it a 2nd time using web coding. If they really could get a nice editor down it'd really do wonders.
Joel Was Right
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Always-honest said:
www.shinowarsame.com
Didn't create any of it. It's a customisable template. There are tons more. PM me if you want to know more
RoadHazard
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WYSIWYG editors suck. Yeah, this has already been brought up in the thread, but dat junk code! *shudders*
OK, I guess I can see why this would be nice for designers who have no clue about HTML, CSS and JavaScript/jQuery, but for us who do seeing the code generated by these programs is painful. Also, as has already been mentioned, it would surely be a bitch to try to manually change/fix something in the code when for some reason you don't want to be locked down to that program anymore.
OK, I guess I can see why this would be nice for designers who have no clue about HTML, CSS and JavaScript/jQuery, but for us who do seeing the code generated by these programs is painful. Also, as has already been mentioned, it would surely be a bitch to try to manually change/fix something in the code when for some reason you don't want to be locked down to that program anymore.
Buckethead
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Because programs like these, while they can be a valuable learning tool, encourage crappy work and dilute the profession of web design.Always-honest said:
WanderingWind
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Buckethead said:
....ah. It's going to be another one of those threads.
ThatObviousUser
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Korey said:
Yes, and Geocities is a renowned laughingstock. Like Dreamweaver was (is?) Programs like these usually do get a fair amount of flack, always have.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
AOLPress 4ever
Agreed.Devolution said:
EDIT: Okay, whoa, holy fucking diddly buh dun dun doodly. Just took a look at the code of that sample site. I've never seen Frontpage of Dreamweaver spit out such nightmares. 1500 lines for a site like that?! Excluding the jQuery package and stylesheets? Sweet jesus.
NullPointer
Member
That does not sound good for one's sanity.OuterWorldVoice said:
This is true.Devolution said:
Always-honest
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haha, wow. It must be horrible for programming people
I will try it out though.
some people have a job and a life however.
I will try it out though.
Metal-Geo said:
some people have a job and a life however.
ThatObviousUser
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Always-honest said:haha, wow. It must be horrible for programming people
I will try it out though.
HTML/CSS isn't even programming. JavaScript is programming, the rest is just markup and styling.
Always-honest
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yeah, proff. website builders in general i mean.Andrex said:
Here's a template. go crazy:
<table width="100%">
<table width="100%">
<tr>
</table><td width="400">
<b><u>Navigation bar</u></b><br>
<td>
<center>
</td>
<td>
<img src="/images/spacer.gif" width="400" height="1">
</td>
</tr><b><u>Navigation bar</u></b><br>
<table>
</td><tr><td>Link 1</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Link 2</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Link 3</td>
</tr>
</table></tr>
<tr>
<td>Link 2</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Link 3</td>
</tr>
<td>
<center>
Main content
</center></td>
<td>
<img src="/images/spacer.gif" width="400" height="1">
</td>
Witchfinder General
punched Wheelchair Mike
Finally! As an Illustrator who is stupid in matters relating to computers this will hopefully cure my ills. Now I need to upgrade from Leopard to Lion.
Always-honest
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yeah, looks like fun.Korey said:
my e-mail footer is more advanced than that ;P
Witchfinder General said:
Not really. why?
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Korey said:
God no, not tables... ;_;
EDIT: ...and deprecated tags, etc, etc. Get rid of it all.
EDIT 2: Oh, you're joking? Thank god. Now I feel a little bad for not realizing that the second I saw that monstrosity.
Always-honest
Banned
No, it's for people who have HTML in their job.Metal-Geo said:So knowing HTML is only for people who don't have a job or a life?
I don't have time to learn it.
I have time to learn parts of it... over many years..
ThatObviousUser
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Korey said:
This is a cruel joke. I think there might even be some UN sanctions on this sort of thing...
BruceLeeRoy
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Was in the beta. Shit product just as much as using Photoshop to export your image as a webpage. Completely bloated.
Can't wait till this inspires another group of people to proclaim themselves "web-designers!" and try and charge people for a website using this thing.
Can't wait till this inspires another group of people to proclaim themselves "web-designers!" and try and charge people for a website using this thing.
ThatObviousUser
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BruceLeeRoy said:
I mean, it's OK for like, portfolio sites, or restaurant sites even. (OK meaning, it still commits a bunch of real web development sins and would actually probably take an SEO hit thanks to the non-semantics and bloat.) But anything even slightly dynamic (not talking JS/animations here) makes this absolutely useless.
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