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Aetna suing 6 NJ doctors over “unconscionable” bills, incl. $59k for a $74 ultrasound

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XiaNaphryz

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Bloomberg - Ultrasound at $59,490 Spurs Aetna Outrage in Suit Naming Doctors:

Aetna Inc. (AET) is suing six New Jersey doctors over medical bills it calls “unconscionable,” including $56,980 for a bedside consultation and $59,490 for an ultrasound that typically costs $74.

The lawsuits could help determine what pricing limits insurers can impose on ”out-of-network” physicians who don’t have contracts with health plans that spell out how much a service or procedure can cost.

One defendant billed $30,000 for a Caesarean birth, and another raised his fee for seeing a critically ill patient in a hospital to $9,000 in 2008 from $500 the year before, the insurer alleges in the suits. The Caesarean price was more than 10 times the in-network amount Aetna quotes on its website.

“If these charges are accurate, consumers and purchasers should be outraged,” said David Lansky, president of the San Francisco-based Pacific Business Group on Health, a coalition of health-insurance buyers that includes Chevron Corp. (CVX), Walt Disney Co. (DIS) and General Electric Co. (GE)

Lawyers for the doctors declined to comment on specific charges in the suits, and said their clients did nothing wrong.

The insurance industry is grappling with how to respond to out-of-network hospital physicians who realize they have pricing muscle, according to Arthur Leibowitz, chief medical officer of Health Advocate Inc., a Plymouth Meeting, Pennsylvania, insurance adviser.

“These doctors can charge whatever they want,” Leibowitz said. “The challenge for the carriers is to come up with an agreeable, acceptable, unbiased judgment as to what a reasonable and customary reimbursement rate is.”


AMA Lawsuits

Aetna tried in 2007 to impose caps on some out-of-network payments, prompting doctor complaints to the New Jersey Department of Banking and Insurance. The agency sided with the doctors, fined the company $2.5 million, and ordered it to pay out-of-network practitioners enough so that patients wouldn’t be asked to pay balances other than co-pays.

In 2009, Aetna, UnitedHealth Group Inc. (UNH), Cigna Corp. (CI) and WellPoint Inc. (WLP) were accused by the New York attorney general of underpaying out-of-network physicians by manipulating a database used to calculate payments. They paid a total of $90 million in settlements without admitting wrongdoing. UnitedHealthcare agreed that year to pay $350 million to settle a lawsuit by the American Medical Association over the same issues. Similar AMA lawsuits against Aetna, Cigna and Wellpoint are pending.

Rare Glimpse

The Aetna lawsuits, filed in superior court in Camden, New Jersey, over the last eight months, allege the defendants violated New Jersey Board of Medical Examiners rules against excessive fees, and seek triple damages under state insurance- fraud laws against filing false or misleading claims.

The complaints provide a rare glimpse at the sums physicians earn from an insurer and the huge variations in what different doctors charge and receive for the same services.

Aetna reimbursed the defendants $8.3 million in 2009, up from $4.9 million in 2008, spokeswoman Cynthia Michener said, sometimes paying the full amount demanded and sometimes not. The insurer paid some of the large charges because of state regulations mandating timely payments and to prevent doctors from sending patients big bills, Michener said.


The Hartford, Connecticut-based company is looking at claims in other states for anomalies, said chief of litigation J. Edward Neugebauer. Aetna is the third largest U.S. health insurer, with 18.5 million members.

$56,980 Consultation

The most detailed complaint is against Benyamin Hannallah, a cardiologist at Jersey City Medical Center. Hannallah charged $59,490 for a heart ultrasound in April 2010 and was paid $47,592, the suit says. Aetna reimburses in-network doctors $74 for the procedure at Jersey City hospitals, Michener said.

Hannallah billed Aetna $56,980 last July for a consultation with a patient who wasn’t critically ill, a hospital visit that typically takes 25 minutes, according to the suit. The insurer refused coverage, and said Hannallah had asked for $220 for this type of consultation in 2007.

In April 2010, Aetna said, Hannallah asked for $54,600 for a heart catheterization, up from $5,500 for the same procedure in 2007. When the insurer gave him $2,000 -- a sum it deemed “usual and customary” for the procedure -- Hannallah complained, and Aetna paid in full to prevent him from billing the patient for the remainder, Michener said.

The amount Hannallah requested for heart ultrasounds quadrupled between 2009 and 2010, and his price for cardiac- stress tests rose more than tenfold to $15,850 between 2008 and 2010, Aetna’s suit claims.


Healthy Profits

For an electrocardiogram, Aetna said it paid him $5,500 in 2010, up from $800 in 2008. The in-network fee listed on Aetna’s website for EKGs in Jersey City is $23.

Aetna said it paid Hannallah a total of $3.2 million in 2008 and 2009, up from $529,503 in the prior two-year period.

Robert Conroy, Hannallah’s lawyer in Bridgewater, New Jersey, said the fees in Aetna’s complaint are “false and/or misleading.”
Some charges cited were pre-approved by the insurer, and some were negotiated between Hannallah and a third party representing Aetna, Conroy said.

Conroy said comparisons with some earlier rates are unfair because they represent fees when his client was an in-network doctor. Some of Hannallah’s patients or their employers paid higher insurance premiums for the right to use out-of-network doctors, Conroy said.

Aetna, which collects more than enough premium and administrative revenue to earn healthy profits, is suing because it wants to make even more money, Conroy said. “How much did Aetna pay its CEO last year?” he asked. “How many lives did he save while feathering his nests?”

‘Unfounded’ Countersuit

Aetna’s net income rose 38 percent in 2010, to $1.77 billion, or $4.18 a share. Its revenue for the year fell 2 percent, to $34 billion. The stock closed yesterday at $35.49, up 6 cents, in New York Stock Exchange composite trading.

Mark Rabson, a spokesman for Jersey City Medical Center, said it has “no knowledge” of what private physicians charge. He said Hannallah is credentialed with several area hospitals.

In its suit against Deepak Srinivasan, a cardiologist at Hackensack University Medical Center, the company claims he raised his fee for heart catheterizations to $18,720 from $3,000 between 2006 and 2007. Srinivasan’s income from Aetna rose to $2.5 million in 2008 from $155,310 in 2006, the suit says.

Srinivasan filed a countersuit alleging that Aetna, by not paying him what it owes, violated U.S. and state laws governing group health plans and committed mail and wire fraud in its reimbursement practices. Aetna’s Michener called Srinivasan’s counterclaim “unfounded.”


Caesarean Charge

“Our client is livid,” said George Frino, an attorney in Teaneck, New Jersey, who represents Srinivasan. He said Srinivasan worked for a practice in 2006 that controlled his billings and that Aetna agreed to his fee schedule as a sole practitioner in 2007.

“He can’t comprehend how, after a four-year period without any complaints by Aetna, he gets served with this complaint -- weeks after they paid him a five-figure check.”


Another defendant at the Hackensack hospital, obstetrician- gynecologist Waleed Abdelghani, increased his charge for a Caesarean-section delivery to $30,000 in 2009 from $3,000 in 2008, the suit alleges. Aetna paid his full $30,000 fee “numerous” times in 2009, said Michener, the company spokeswoman. In-network doctors in the area receive $2,655 for the operation, according to the insurer’s website.

Abdelghani earned $76,173 from Aetna in 2007, $136,632 in 2008, $1.4 million in 2009 and $5.1 million in 2010, according to the company.

‘No Merit’

The defendant’s attorney, Charles Gormally of Roseland, New Jersey, disputed Aetna’s figures and said the insurer paid Abdelghani’s practice a total of $5.8 million over a three-year period. The group billed Aetna nearly $13 million over the three years, with some procedures not reimbursed at all, he said.

Gormally said many of the bills cited in the suit were paid after Aetna vetted them with an independent claims adjudicator.

The allegations don’t take into account the economic factors that force out-of-network doctors to demand higher fees, such as the absence of referrals that in-network doctors get from insurers, Gormally said. A spokeswoman for the Hackensack hospital, Nancy Radwin, declined to comment.

Another defendant, Magdy Wahba, an internal medicine specialist at St. Joseph’s Regional Medical Center in Paterson and St. Mary’s Hospital in Passaic, raised his fee for 30 to 74 minutes of service to critically-ill hospital patients to $9,000 in 2008 from $500 in 2007, the suit claims. Medicare pays $236 for the same type of consultation, according to the AMA website.

For a half-hour consultation with a non-critically ill patient, Wahba charged $6,000 in 2008, up from $250 in 2007, the suit says. The insurer said its total payments to Wahba grew to $3.8 million in 2009 from $309,446 in 2008.

Wahba’s attorney, Vafa Sarmasti of Fairfield, New Jersey, said Aetna’s claims “have no merit from a legal and factual standpoint” and that Aetna’s reimbursements to Wahba were based on “fair, usual and customary rates” determined by Aetna, not Wahba.
Spokeswomen Vanessa Warner of St. Mary’s and Liz Asani of St. Joseph’s declined to comment.
 

X26

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I'm so confused, why would a doctor even attempt to charge $56K for an ultrasound, all that education and yet they think the insurance company wouldn't notice something like that?
 

CrankyJay

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X26 said:
I'm so confused, why would a doctor even attempt to charge $56K for an ultrasound, all that education and yet they think the insurance company wouldn't notice something like that?

Because they are out of network and they're jacking up the prices in the hopes that the insurance companies will settle to pay them for as much as possible.
 

ymmv

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X26 said:
I'm so confused, why would a doctor even attempt to charge $56K for an ultrasound, all that education and yet they think the insurance company wouldn't notice something like that?

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In April 2010, Aetna said, Hannallah asked for $54,600 for a heart catheterization, up from $5,500 for the same procedure in 2007. When the insurer gave him $2,000 -- a sum it deemed “usual and customary” for the procedure -- Hannallah complained, and Aetna paid in full to prevent him from billing the patient for the remainder, Michener said.
 

winter

Member
Isn't this one of the reasons why health insurance premiums are so high? I'm not going to pretend to know how to solve this country's healthcare issues but I feel like stuff like this was barely mentioned in the discourse.
 

MrDaravon

Member
Yup. I work for a very large health insurance company (named somewhere above actually), and always laugh when everyone bitched about how the insurance companies were the ones to blame for the healthcare issue. Certainly a good portion of it does, but just as much of it falls on providers who take advantage of insurers, especially with Medicare policies; Medicare requires most types of Medicare replacement policies to have a minimum required network available in an area. It's particularly bad with the HMO model out west, especially in California. I've been on conference calls with senior medical group managers who will laugh about how much they're raising rates on the insurance companies because they know that we literally have to sign the contracts or withdraw from the market, and talk about buying new cars every 6 months, etc. The whole thing is fucked end to end between the government, the insurance companies, and the providers.
 

Tapiozona

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KingDizzi said:
Daylight robbery, that's the job of us dentists.

Can we ask you dentistry questions?

I've always been curious what things costs cause it seems I pay an arm and a leg every time I go.
 
Horrific.

America, your healthcare system chills me to the bone.

I've grown up with the NHS, if I'm ill I go to the hospital, its always there if and when I need it. It was there for me last year, an experience I posted as a contrast to another similar thread in which American Healthcare charged $6,691 for three stitches.

Shit like this shouldn't happen, and I'm amazed its even conscionable to some Doctors.
 

-PXG-

Member
Aetna member/ Jersey resident represent! Maybe I can get them to sue my primary physician's office for making me pay the same fucking copayment, not one, not two...but THREE goddamn times.
 
This happened to me once. I had a pricey surgery, with my insurer reimbursing the hospital for everything.. except the anesthesiologist.

Turns out he was 'out of network' (I had no clue who were providing me with services) and charged me several thousands of dollars for a simple anesthesiology procedure. I fought the charges, and didn't pay a cent. Still, a very sleazy practice.

Read this article about Anesthsleaziology: the pain-relief cartel.
 

JGS

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moist said:
On one hand I hate Aetna with a passion..... but reading this I can't find a way to blame them for it.
Sometimes a story is all bad guys- like The Godfather.
 

bill0527

Member
Dali said:
... to gettin' paid.

*ba dum tish*

Haha, not all doctors. When my wife was doing family practice, there were several gaffers I knew who made more money annually than she did. And they had half the eduction, if that.

Most doctors are ignorant of their own billing practices. It's their crooked business office managers who usually do all the fraudulent billing. Although in the case of this doctor in the OP, it sounds like he knew exactly what he was doing.
 

Pterion

Member
bill0527 said:
Haha, not all doctors. When my wife was doing family practice, there were several gaffers I knew who made more money annually than she did. And they had half the eduction, if that.

Most doctors are ignorant of their own billing practices. It's their crooked business office managers who usually do all the fraudulent billing. Although in the case of this doctor in the OP, it sounds like he knew exactly what he was doing.
Residency or post-residency? Everyone gets shitted on during residency man. Imagine my reaction one day when I found out a fresh out of school nurse, working four 12 hour shifts out of every 9 days made the same money as me, a resident working 80+ hours per week. Frustrating...
 
Pterion said:
Residency or post-residency? Everyone gets shitted on during residency man.
indeed. my father did trauma & rehab (private) after his decade in the ER. he was paid alright then, but did much better in private practice.
 

bill0527

Member
Pterion said:
Residency or post-residency? Everyone gets shitted on during residency man.

She made $30k a year in residency. After residency she made $110-$125k a year - hospital employed at a small clinic in a rural area. They tried to even cut her pay twice in three years before she ditched family practice and went to work in the ER. Oh..we're also in the Midwest so doctor pay is pretty low compared to the coasts.
 

ronito

Member
While I feel for Aetna.

It'd be funny if I sued the drug companies.

"They charged me $250 a month for $1.30 of pills!"

Oh no wait. We're expected to just pay that. Welcome to actually having the same rights as a person in the US.
 
bill0527 said:
She made $30k a year in residency. After residency she made $110-$125k a year - hospital employed at a small clinic in a rural area. They tried to even cut her pay twice in three years before she ditched family practice and went to work in the ER. Oh..we're also in the Midwest so doctor pay is pretty low compared to the coasts.
ugh.

now she's working like a slave though, amirite?

those hours.
 

ronito

Member
bill0527 said:
She made $30k a year in residency. After residency she made $110-$125k a year - hospital employed at a small clinic in a rural area. They tried to even cut her pay twice in three years before she ditched family practice and went to work in the ER. Oh..we're also in the Midwest so doctor pay is pretty low compared to the coasts.
Whoa there bill. You're getting robbed. All my doctor friends make nearly double and they're in a similar position. You must live in po'dunkerville or something.
 

JGS

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bill0527 said:
Most doctors are ignorant of their own billing practices. It's their crooked business office managers who usually do all the fraudulent billing. Although in the case of this doctor in the OP, it sounds like he knew exactly what he was doing.
A lot of the doctors in the smaller towns of KY hire their family (Typically the missus) to run their office. A one man show and they are loaded.

Ths is kind of a weird story as it appears there's a fairly small cap on the amount an insured pays out of pocket. Although there is a cap here, the insurance companies still only pay the negotiated amount which is based on most reasonable with the rest being on the insured.

I have never had a doctor outside of network but it always seemed like a raw deal unless you've been going to them forever.
 
ronito said:
Whoa there bill. You're getting robbed. All my doctor friends make nearly double and they're in a similar position. You must live in po'dunkerville or something.
"...at a small clinic in a rural area..."

:)
 

Talon

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You know, after having friends work around health care for the hospital network, pharma and insurance side, we don't really think about it but hospitals are just as slimy as the other parts of the health system.

At some level, it's just due diligence to do this, but I still find it fucked up that they've broken down what stages of which cancers are the most profitable for them on a per treatment basis and make personnel decisions based on that. Plus, we've seen a great preponderance of hospital networks since the mid-90s, and there are a few notable examples - particularly in southern California - of them bullying insurance companies by raising rates and then basically astroturfing the subscribers.

At least the insurance industry has a very strong incentive to keep their subscribers healthy. Hospitals do on an individual basis but, on aggregate, for profit healthcare is ultimately about the bottom line. Now, obviously, we have 80 years of that in place, and a non-profit healthcare solution is frankly unrealistic, particularly in a vast and diverse country like so - and, selfishly, as someone with money and resources - it'd likely be less beneficial for me (counterfactual rebuttal ftw).

Doctors at least have the Hippocratic Oath. Hospitals are just business, and treatment is endlessly profitable.
 

bill0527

Member
ronito said:
Whoa there bill. You're getting robbed. All my doctor friends make nearly double and they're in a similar position. You must live in po'dunkerville or something.

We live in a bigger city now. She makes about 60% more in the ER as she did in family practice and it's straight shift work. No on-call or any of the paperwork and red tape she had ton bring home from her family practice.
 
Talon- said:
You know, after having friends work around health care for the hospital network, pharma and insurance side, we don't really think about it but hospitals are just as slimy as the other parts of the health system.

At some level, it's just due diligence to do this, but I still find it fucked up that they've broken down what stages of which cancers are the most profitable for them on a per treatment basis and make personnel decisions based on that. Plus, we've seen a great preponderance of hospital networks since the mid-90s, and there are a few notable examples - particularly in southern California - of them bullying insurance companies by raising rates and then basically astroturfing the subscribers.

At least the insurance industry has a very strong incentive to keep their subscribers healthy. Hospitals do on an individual basis but, on aggregate, for profit healthcare is ultimately about the bottom line. Now, obviously, we have 80 years of that in place, and a non-profit healthcare solution is frankly unrealistic, particularly in a vast and diverse country like so - and, selfishly, as someone with money and resources - it'd likely be less beneficial for me (counterfactual rebuttal ftw).

Doctors at least have the Hippocratic Oath. Hospitals are just business, and treatment is endlessly profitable.
next time you or someone you know goes to a hospital, look at the bill.

look at that bitch.

$150-$250 for a bag of saline.

you know how much a bag of saline costs the hospital? less than a penny/bag. it only gets worse from there.


bill0527 said:
We live in a bigger city now. She makes about 60% more in the ER as she did in family practice and it's straight shift work. No on-call or any of the paperwork and red tape she had ton bring home from her family practice.
if she starts getting burned out, you might want to recommend that she looks into some simple cosmetic stuff to augment what she's currently doing. It'll allow her to drop some of her hours without sacrificing income (actually, increasing it quite a bit).
 

SoulPlaya

more money than God
Outlaw said:
No they're not.
I'm going through my medical perquisites right now, and I have to say that you have to be dedicated to go through this BS + 4 years of med school + residency + long hours of work with constant fear of malpractice.
 

BigDug13

Member
There's honestly no way to fix any of this. The underlying issue is that deep down as a nation (among other nations in the world), we're filled with greedy and corrupt people who have power and wield it to their own advantage at the expense of the middle and lower class. Until the nation undergoes a complete morality shift that can affect the people in power, we will continue to hear similar stories.

Let's keep those tax breaks for the richest people though because they create jobs.
 

Xeke

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SoulPlaya said:
I'm going through my medical perquisites right now, and I have to say that you have to be dedicated to go through this BS + 4 years of med school + residency + long hours of work with constant fear of malpractice.

Dedicated to making $$
 

SoulPlaya

more money than God
Xeke said:
Dedicated to making $$
I will be the first to admit that many docs are crooks, but even I'm worried about how I'm going to make enough money to live decently when I'm staring 200-300K in student debt from med school.

In conclusion, the entire US health system is screwed up. Patients blame insurance, insurance blames hospitals, hospitals blame docs, docs blame med schools, med schools blame faculty, costs, and rotation costs. The whole thing needs an overhaul.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
"...at a small clinic in a rural area..."

:)

hold up...I thought docs in rural areas usually made more due a shortage of physicians willing to live away from cities. I've heard stories of FPs and internists making bank in places like South Dakota. Plus, supposedly you sometimes get your loans taken of as well. Is that untrue?
 
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