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[LCGeek]

You're missing the other side's point.

A sizable group of people do not want to be punished for the actions of others. Things like AA punish good people for the racist acts of other people (even if the offenders are a huge group of the current/past population).

This bothers a lot of people.

That's life and no I didn't miss that point at all.

I quite understand but with logic why should ethnic groups largely suffer for a few behaviors of their culture that aren't true as a whole? The whole problem is it's a culturual social issue not an individual. Think of stop signs and why/how they are placed at times all drivers are effected by the stupidity of a few to obey common traffic laws and procedure.

Yes that flipping sucks, but AA is still curbing aspects of racism that otherwise without would be making a lot more problems. The downside is now employers are screwed because of bigots that can and still exist within hiearchy of management in business world. I feel sorry for people that legimately get screwed by aa but I enjoy the fact it's screwing people who would rob others opportunities of employment for trivial reasons not how qualified they are at a job.

Like I said if society as a whole both our groups and others want to fix this maybe we should be honest about solving racing and how pervasive it really is even today. Instead we make laws and act like nothing happened as the reality they seek to end is still quite rampant today.

 

[bjork]

Instead we make laws and act like nothing happened as the reality they seek to end is still quite rampant today.

That's life and no I didn't miss that point at all.

Just saying.

If you're gonna ignore the faults you've got going on, don't piss on someone else's.

 

[A Link to the Past]

The whole affirmative action thing is so fucked up, there's really no "fix" for it. When it's in, people claim racial bias. When it's out, people claim racial bias.

The very moment it came into existence, it became a problem.

IMO, affirmative action is sort of necessary, but I can see why people wouldn't want it - if two equally qualified members of different races are being picked for a position, I don't think they should just default to the minority race.

Also, I don't see how affirmative action would give bias to Caucasians - I'm not sure that affirmative action is a requirement for all organizations or businesses (like, if a minority loses a job to a Caucasian but is more well-skilled in the position, can anything be done against the organization?), but if it's not, I can't see that anything would change - the same racists would put their bias in their decisions before and after its removal.

 

[Pudding Tame]

The idea that being black is equated with always being poor/always going without/always being oppressed. The posts that inevitably come up in these threads by posters who are black, and come across as defeatist excuses for poor situations.

I think one of the problems with society in general is the way we like to focus on what we don't have, rather than counting our blessings. Individuals can be great if they want to be, or they can be mediocre if they want to be.

Well one thing is I'm not Black, I've grown up in poor Black neighborhoods and I know from personal experience that skin color does have an effect when it comes to personal opportunities.

The other is to ignore the consequences of things like:

Gerrymandering to prevent Black communities from being politically represented.

The Eisenhower Interstate System destroying many economically viable Black neighborhoods in cities across the country.

White Flight from cities reducing the tax base that cities can use for schools and municipal upkeep.

Police strategies of keeping crime "contained" in Black neighborhoods.

Anti-crack and three-strike laws which disproportionately target Black people because they are disproportionately poor.

Banks not giving business loans to qualified Black applicants, and Realtors racially steering Black home buyers trying to get out of poor black neighborhoods back into poor black neighborhoods.

As well as other factors deal more with being poor rather than Race, such as teenage pregnancy and its economic effects and single parents having to work 80+ hours a week to be able feed, clothe, and put a roof over their child's head, leaving little time to actually raise the child.

And oh yeah, driving while Black;

All of these reasons over the past six+ decades have had a very real cumulative negative effects on many urban Black communities. Simply saying saying that their problems can be solved with an attitude change is a lot like telling a cancer patient that he'll only survive through the healing power of laughter.

 

[bjork]

All of these reasons over the past six+ decades have had a very real cumulative negative effects on many urban Black communities. Simply saying saying that their problems can be solved with an attitude change is a lot like telling a cancer patient that he'll only survive through the healing power of laughter.

It's gotta start somewhere, and a positive mindset is always a plus. I wasn't suggesting it would magically cure anything. But going out with the "I'm never gonna get anything because I'm [whatever] and everything bad that happens to me is because I'm [whatever]" is defeatist and really has no place in the mind of someone looking to better themselves.

 

[LCGeek]

But isn't accusing some random whitey of having ties to slavery without knowing his family's history the same as me seeing some black guy and assuming he's some criminal? Racism works all ways including against the evil white devil, so I wasn't missing the point, just pointing out how one-sided this stuff can get.

The problem is that there's some people who will never see any sort of "making up for it" as enough, and even if some miraculous situation came about where everyone truly saw themselves as equal, people would still suspect that it somehow was made to benefit the white man or whatever.

I think self-segregation is a problem, and keeping with one's kind is another problem, but if the ideal is to get us all on the same page as a like-minded chain of communities, I don't know how that's done. Law changes or not.

I'm not accusing a random whitey I'm attacking the whitey's culture. I don't know you or others debating with me and would never go after you personally. I hope you do not necessarily see me as an individual with a white vs black complex, as you couldn't be farther from truth I'm pretty level about racism and I was taught that by my white adopted parents.

This isn't a slavery issue anymore. Best way I can say from others like myself on this issue maybe even michelle obama so to speak is we feel we are nothing more than spectators of a society where we seek to be equals and participators in the society.

How do we stop such issues? For starters we as a country should rid race since our skin pigmentation has to do with where we live over a period of time. It's clear skin color is part genetic and where you live. White people can tan, mixed kids have lighter skin colors than what those of pure line to a region of the planet would have, and michael jackson has done a 180 yet is still called black by most despite the obvious. Yet you don't ever hear this mentioned ine the media, or the establisments of societies/cultures, and governments despite the amouunt of evidence. The other way to do is to just admit nationalism is a stupid concept. The idea of national soverignty and borders is stupid since we are all one species and really begs the question of why it is exist, the easy answer people want to divide others for their own agendas. Countries have risen and fallen since the beginning of time yet we all fight each other because various groups put us against each other.

My solution isn't pipe dream but there are many interests mainly those with power and money groups who would not want a world where such things like race or nationality didn't exist and we were united.

Edit I'm not ignoring any fault I have if I do my bad if I feel I'm wrong in some sense I have no issue for owning up to it. I'm not pissing on others with my posts and if it seems like not intentional. Damn real time is coming and I wanna stay and debate this o well tv tuner on dual screen ftw.

 

[RiskyChris]

All of these reasons over the past six+ decades have had a very real cumulative negative effects on many urban Black communities. Simply saying saying that their problems can be solved with an attitude change is a lot like telling a cancer patient that he'll only survive through the healing power of laughter.

All AA does is help out the already privileged-socioeconomicly blacks. It's not going to fix the problems of ruined communities.

We need more government support for entire communities, not just the nationwide net of a race.

 

[LCGeek]

It's gotta start somewhere, and a positive mindset is always a plus. I wasn't suggesting it would magically cure anything. But going out with the "I'm never gonna get anything because I'm [whatever] and everything bad that happens to me is because I'm [whatever]" is defeatist and really has no place in the mind of someone looking to better themselves.

Which is a problem of black culture besides a heavy mindset to stay only within themselves. Another issue I feel some in urban areas that are poor have is a paranoid everyone is out to get me mentality.

This community is royally screwed up and until a lot within admit to stuff won't fix when you have people like bill cosby saying this stuff or even from what I hear oprah yeah it's time listen and change for the better. Problem is this community or elements will have a hard time changing because of beliefs/behaviors I mentioned, are selfish in mentality, and largely because the way system is setup is a viscious cycle like Pudding Tame has pointed out.

 

[Primordial]

Are Emily and Greg More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal? A Field Experiment on Labor Market Discrimination

Abstract:
We perform a field experiment to measure racial discrimination in the labor market. We respond with fictitious resumes to
help-wanted ads in Boston and Chicago newspapers. To manipulate perception of race, each resume is randomly assigned either a very African American sounding name or a very White sounding name. The results show significant discrimination against African-American names: White names receive 50 percent more callbacks for interviews. We also find that race affects the benefits of a better resume. For White names, a higher quality resume elicits 30 percent more callbacks whereas for African Americans, it elicits a far smaller increase. Applicants living in better neighborhoods receive more callbacks but, interestingly, this effect does not differ by race. The amount of discrimination is uniform across occupations and industries. Federal contractors and employers who list "Equal Opportunity Employer" in their ad discriminate as much as other employers. We find little evidence that our results are driven by employers inferring something other than race, such as social class, from the names. These results suggest that racial discrimination is still a prominent feature of the labor market.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=422902

Discrimination is real and it happens often. discuss.

 

[Pudding Tame]

It's gotta start somewhere, and a positive mindset is always a plus. I wasn't suggesting it would magically cure anything. But going out with the "I'm never gonna get anything because I'm [whatever] and everything bad that happens to me is because I'm [whatever]" is defeatist and really has no place in the mind of someone looking to better themselves.

True, but it's nowhere near step one. A good attitude sours pretty quickly when you don't have the opportunity to put it to use or the means to succeed.

 

[bjork]

I'm not accusing a random whitey I'm attacking the whitey's culture. I don't know you or others debating with me and would never go after you personally.

The idea of national soverignty and borders is stupid since we are all one species and really begs the question of why it is exist, the easy answer people want to divide others for their own agendas. Countries have risen and fallen since the beginning of time yet we all fight each other because various groups put us against each other.

My solution isn't pipe dream but there are many interests mainly those with power and money groups who would not want a world where such things like race or nationality didn't exist and we were united.

Edit I'm not ignoring any fault I have if I do my bad if I feel I'm wrong in some sense I have no issue for owning up to it. I'm not pissing on others with my posts and if it seems like not intentional. Damn real time is coming and I wanna stay and debate this o well tv tuner on dual screen ftw.

But assuming whitey even has a culture is incorrect. I think you mean "America's" culture.

I'm 100% not with you on the borders thing unless the concept of taxes goes away. If my income were to come completely to me with 0 being taken out to aid other people, then sure.

I don't think you'll ever see a time when the world or even this country is truly united in the "every man loves his brother" sense. It's just too hard to get through to some people. I just try and be decent to people as an individual, and I figure that's about all I can do. If someone wants to hate me on account of my being white, that's on them.

 

[LCGeek]

True, but it's nowhere near step one. A good attitude sours pretty quickly when you don't have the opportunity to put it to use or the means to succeed.

Part of his point was problably to say you should keep it no matter what obstacles. Nothing good comes from negativity, fear, or hate which is why this issue is very hard to resolve.

 

[thekad]

Ugh, there is always so much ignorance in these types of threads; I couldn't even stomach my way through to the third page.

Any bans yets? :lol

 

[Star Power]

This thread has been pretty civil compared to others.

 

[bjork]

Which is a problem of black culture besides a heavy mindset to stay only within themselves. Another issue I feel some in urban areas that are poor have is a paranoid everyone is out to get me mentality.

This community is royally screwed up and until a lot within admit to stuff won't fix when you have people like bill cosby saying this stuff or even from what I hear oprah yeah it's time listen and change for the better. Problem is this community or elements will have a hard time changing because of beliefs/behaviors I mentioned, are selfish in mentality, and largely because the way system is setup is a viscious cycle like Pudding Tame has pointed out.

There needs to be some kind of breakdown of stereotypes, but to do it on a mass level is difficult. Things like white flight and the idea of a minority achieving success as "acting white" are only big roadblocks when it comes to getting along peaceably.

True, but it's nowhere near step one. A good attitude sours pretty quickly when you don't have the opportunity to put it to use or the means to succeed.

If you let it, sure. I don't think anyone is 100% positive all the time, but even if you experience some kind of setback, you learn from it and try a different method for next time. Or maybe you try in a different place. This country is big enough and varied enough that the right opportunities are out there for anyone, provided they're willing to go after them. I think a lot of people who are in the shits over their situation, wouldn't be willing to make a major life change if that's what it took to achieve their dream. We've been taught too much that we need our convenience, and if shit doesn't fall in your lap, it's too much work.

 

[RiskyChris]

This thread has been pretty civil compared to others.

Easily one of the most civil racial discussions I've seen on the internet period.

 

[LCGeek]

But assuming whitey even has a culture is incorrect. I think you mean "America's" culture.

I'm 100% not with you on the borders thing unless the concept of taxes goes away. If my income were to come completely to me with 0 being taken out to aid other people, then sure.

I don't think you'll ever see a time when the world or even this country is truly united in the "every man loves his brother" sense. It's just too hard to get through to some people. I just try and be decent to people as an individual, and I figure that's about all I can do. If someone wants to hate me on account of my being white, that's on them.

Taxes are fair and necessary to balance out the lack of opportunity for some. What I want with taxes like world wage in a global economoy is equality. I want a flat tax rate that everyone pays for with no bs loopholes and when it comes to wages I want people to be paid fairly no matter where they live.

I think the concept every man loves his brother is antiquated and unpractical. Life is nothing more than a set of equation in a viscious cycle bouncing off of each other to create the brillian of existence. The idea that eveyr man loves another isn't true because nature demands that some don't care for others at all. Like human rights which is a bs concept because of application and political correctness.

 

[bjork]

Taxes are fair and necessary to balance out the lack of opportunity for some. What I want with taxes like world wage in a global economoy is equality. I want a flat tax rate that everyone pays for with no bs loopholes and when it comes to wages I want people to be paid fairly no matter where they live.

I think the concept every man loves his brother is antiquated and unpractical. Life is nothing more than a set of equation in a viscious cycle bouncing off of each other to create the brillian of existence. The idea that eveyr man loves another isn't true because nature demands that some don't care for others at all. Like human rights which is a bs concept because of application and political correctness.

Taxes are fair and necessary if they're going to that place's citizenry, sure. But if you have people crossing borders illegally just for free medical care... that's gotta be paid for somewhere. I suppose a world tax would sort that out somewhat, but if we had a global tax with the focus being on equal opportunities, places like Africa would get the lion's share and improve their circumstances while more established places go without. It's tricky to balance, if it's even possible.

And I'm with you about human rights being a BS concept, but that goes back to my post awhile ago about letting police actually police and area to improve the community around a school. In the old days, cops didn't have beanbag guns and nets and all this nonsense. Executions weren't postponed because maybe some violent killer *might* feel discomfort when he gets the lethal injection. But I think those days are long gone, and we're gonna have to find some other kind of solution.

 

[Pudding Tame]

Part of his point was problably to say you should keep it no matter what obstacles. Nothing good comes from negativity, fear, or hate which is why this issue is very hard to resolve.

I agree, but it is going to take more than glass half-full attitude.

It seems that many people seem to think that racism ended when MLK gave his "I have a dream" speech, and that it's solely the Black community's fault for being unable to succeed. It's this ignorance, inaction, and finger pointing that will only make the problem worse.

Real action needs to be taken not only to improve education in these communities, but the economic, social, and family dynamics as well or the net result will be like trying to make a building out of water.

 

[JayDubya]

Whomever first thought the way to ensure that all people are treated equal is to give some people special treatment was a dumbfuck.

Kill AA. With fire.

 

[WickedAngel]

Whomever first thought the way to ensure that all people are treated equal is to give some people special treatment was a dumbfuck.

Kill AA. With fire.

Reinforcements!

 

[bjork]

I agree, but it is going to take more than glass half-full attitude.

It seems that many people seem to think that racism ended when MLK gave his "I have a dream" speech, and that it's solely the Black community's fault for being unable to succeed. It's this ignorance, inaction, and finger pointing that will only make the problem worse.

Real action needs to be taken not only to improve education in these communities, but the economic, social, and family dynamics as well or the net result will be like trying to make a building out of water.

You have to start with a foundation before you build the building. Why not start with the young and then go from there?

 

[Tyrannical]

Well, what right do recent immigrants have to claim AA special treatment? Why can newly immigrated blacks africans claim AA? Did Obama being accepted into Harvard take that spot away from someone whom AA was intended to help?

 

[harSon]

Whomever first thought the way to ensure that all people are treated equal is to give some people special treatment was a dumbfuck.

Kill AA. With fire.

Forget fire, why not exorcise your right to bear arms by shooting the fucker in the face.

 

[LCGeek]

You have to start with a foundation before you build the building. Why not start with the young and then go from there?

Sorry I didn't talk for abit was dong anime with bro.

Big problem. If everyone is raising based on this beliefs systems and no one wants to change the belief it will continue.

Chris the problem with changing through government is the simple fact this country is largely controlled by the religous facist prudes that make life far worse than it needs to be because of said beliefs. On top of it special interests groups and whatever power players within that don't want such change are on top of those types below.

Look at our voting system with the primaries. Change can't happen in this country like most agree it should until we take it back, clean house, and make voting legitimate and fair. UNtil we teach kids civics across the board along with other life issues I feel are important shit won't change because those with the power to change for the most part think shit is fine with maybe a few tolerable issues. You could look at the middle and upperclass as retarded they were apathetic to globlization and if shit don't change soon they will be a working poor class till real changes are made.

I'm all for killing AA but only if a real serious look at why we invented is examined and we try to make it better. Sure it should go but if nothing comes in place I'm all for it staying as it's nothing more than way of letting things that were happening return with no real way to stop it.

You're human rights point is solid. I see no reason why anyone in civilized society should bother giving those who commit extreme offenses against without doubt should be given a chance. I'm all for the death penalty and torture myself. Some say it's barbaric yes it is but in the end those not following human rights or death penality still get tortured or killed by those who in end realize our laws are not like nature with being very easy to break instead of very hard. Sur people will get caught who are innocent but the probem is far more innocents die with these rules than without them to begin with.

 

[Pudding Tame]

You have to start with a foundation before you build the building. Why not start with the young and then go from there?

Because without things like a safe and stable community, it will be like putting that foundation in quicksand. Sure you'll have a few kids make good, but the end goal is for every child to have a decent shot to make good.

IMO, the problem is so big we need to make the bedrock before we make the foundation.

 

[harSon]

You have to start with a foundation before you build the building. Why not start with the young and then go from there?

The government is not going to take the time to do what needs to be done. The solution requires fixing the minority family, assuring that the young have proper education so they're not starting school behind, increased spending on urban schools and coming up with incentives for decent teachers to teach at these schools, fighting drugs (This one puzzles me), upon several other things. Affirmative Action and Welfare are simply band aids to turn attention from the necessary and more expensive alternative.

 

[Tyrannical]

The government is not going to take the time to do what needs to be done. The solution requires fixing the minority family, assuring that the young have proper education so they're not starting school behind, increased spending on urban schools and coming up with incentives for decent teachers to teach at these schools, fighting drugs (This one puzzles me), upon several other things. Affirmative Action and Welfare are simply band aids to turn attention from the necessary and more expensive alternative.

Black culture is poisoned, thanks to carpet baggers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, and the idolization of criminals like 50cents.

 

[Stinkles]

Black culture is poisoned, thanks to carpet baggers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, and the idolization of criminals like 50cents.

A couple of assholes doesn't eliminate the continuing contributions of a pantheon of black artists, scientists, musicians, leaders, thinkers, athletes, activists and hotties. That's a retarded statement. White culture wasn't poisoned by Vanilla Ice and Rush Limbaugh.

 

[Tyrannical]

A couple of assholes doesn't eliminate the contributions of a pantheon of artists, scientists, musicians, leaders, thinkers, athletes, activists and hotties. That's a retarded statement. White culture wasn't poisoned by Vanilla Ice and Rush Limbaugh.

I don't think Vanilla Ice convinced too many white boys that the thug life is the good life.

 

[whytemyke]

edit: n/m. i'm out.

 

[Windu]

I don't really have a problem with getting rid of AA. Never really cared for it anyway.

 

[numble]

Did Obama being accepted into Harvard take that spot away from someone whom AA was intended to help?

Obama went to Harvard Law after getting his BA from Columbia, another ivy league college. He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law, and was the president of the Harvard Law Review (basically, head of the smart students), so it's highly unlikely that either 1) he didn't deserve to be there or 2) he wouldn't have gotten there without AA.

 

[Slavik81]

Actually, I find it kind of odd that nobody's mentioned that AA has a big of a negative effect. It helps some people, yes, but since you're pumping in less-qualified applicants, there's a lot more of them that don't actually make it. They drop out, and end up with student debt and no degree, worse off than before.

Admissions criteria are set for a reason. It's extremely wasteful to send people to college who are just going to drop out. The opportunity cost is tens of thousands of dollars. Years worth of work forgone and tuition paid (and spent by the university). And with very little benefit.

Are Emily and Greg More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal? A Field Experiment on Labor Market Discrimination

Abstract:
We perform a field experiment to measure racial discrimination in the labor market. We respond with fictitious resumes to
help-wanted ads in Boston and Chicago newspapers. To manipulate perception of race, each resume is randomly assigned either a very African American sounding name or a very White sounding name. The results show significant discrimination against African-American names: White names receive 50 percent more callbacks for interviews. We also find that race affects the benefits of a better resume. For White names, a higher quality resume elicits 30 percent more callbacks whereas for African Americans, it elicits a far smaller increase. Applicants living in better neighborhoods receive more callbacks but, interestingly, this effect does not differ by race. The amount of discrimination is uniform across occupations and industries. Federal contractors and employers who list "Equal Opportunity Employer" in their ad discriminate as much as other employers. We find little evidence that our results are driven by employers inferring something other than race, such as social class, from the names. These results suggest that racial discrimination is still a prominent feature of the labor market.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=422902

Discrimination is real and it happens often. discuss.

Is it because people think Blacks are inherently worse people, or is it because the Jamals and Lakishas names are associated with less qualified people (just look at the university statistics earlier on in this thread) ?

Perhaps the less-qualified people give a bad image to anyone with a similar name? That would be a pretty nasty positive feedback loop.

 

[Tyrannical]

Obama went to Harvard Law after getting his BA from Columbia, another ivy league college. He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law, and was the president of the Harvard Law Review (basically, head of the smart students), so it's highly unlikely that either 1) he didn't deserve to be there or 2) he wouldn't have gotten there without AA.

Wow, didn't know that. I guess AA isn't needed.

 

[The Faceless Master]

honestly, this may sound elitist, but from what i've personally experienced, it's another kind of AA holding black people as a whole down... afro-americans. other black people seem to be able to actually work towards success at a much higher rate without all the bitching and crying. understanding that we are at a disadvantage makes some of us work harder instead of standing on the corner selling weed and bitching about the pigs and the man.

now i'm not saying that it's all afro-americans, just that they succeed at a very disproportionately lower rate than the rest of us black people in the usa. among my younger brother's friends i notice a very obvious trend in everything from basic things like respect and manners to the way they approach their high school education.

 

[numble]

Wow, didn't know that. I guess AA isn't needed.

But your whole argument started with a discussion about AA and African immigrants, so the Obama example does nothing on the issue of AA and non-immigrant Americans.

Also, his dad also got a Ph.D at Harvard, so it's possible that legacy admissions policies come into play more than any notion of AA.

 

[Tyrannical]

now i'm not saying that it's all afro-americans, just that they succeed at a very disproportionately lower rate than the rest of us black people in the usa.

Black people in the US that are not afro-americans? Are you referring to more recent african immigrants to the US?

But your whole argument started with a discussion about AA and African immigrants, so the Obama example does nothing on the issue of AA and non-immigrant Americans.

That is true. Certainly it can be added to the debate if more recent immigrants either need or deserve AA programs. I probably should have brought up his wife as she went to both Princeton and Harvard. But then I'd have to probably read at least a summary of her controversial thesis.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Black people in the US that are not afro-americans? Are you referring to more recent african immigrants to the US?

mainly caribbean immigrants, but african immigrants too.

 

[LCGeek]

Slavik some people have mentioned and hinted at it, though for various reasons like I mentioned it gets passed over despite a legit point. I said it in one post employers and employees suffer basically because of bigots and people who hire based on race and other factors that prevent the best qualified or highly qualified from getting the position.

 

[Tyrannical]

mainly caribbean immigrants, but african immigrants too.

Mmmmh, I see your point. We had a fair amount of Somali immigrants, mostly muslim I beleive arrive in my state a few years ago. I hear that they and afro-americans don't see eye to eye on much due to cultural differences.

 

[avatar299]

I'm surprised this is such a big deal. Black people want it around because they have this fear that without it none of them will ever get hired again, and white people want it gone because they have this idea that AA is what is keeping them unemployed. Not their lack of skills or the poor economy.

What is the ratio of people on GAF who know for a fact that they lost a job because of AA. I really want to know

 

[Tyrannical]

Black people want it around because they have this fear that without it none of them will ever get hired again

And that fear is constantly re-enforced by democrats and their own black party leaders. It certainly has been an effective means to control the black vote though.

 

[bjork]

What is the ratio of people on GAF who know for a fact that they lost a job because of AA. I really want to know

Not me, but I aim low. And when it comes to hiring, the guy I want to bring on to cover my shifts when I leave for good is a black guy. But he came in dressed casual and politely asked about being hired. Most of the people I get who ask if we're hiring are wearing their full-on vampire or hip-hop video gear and ask "why y'all ain't never hiring" or whatever.

 

[avatar299]

And that fear is constantly re-enforced by democrats and their own black party leaders. It certainly has been an effective means to control the black vote though.

Which is really what it comes down to. LBJ noble, yet foolish idea has just become a tool to control black people.

it creates a painless integration among the races, but it doesn't sole the problem. Race relations can't improve in this country with AA over people's heads, because it continues the perception of the black.hispanic being victims, and the white people being evil.

I say this as a black man who benefits from it. While i appreciate that the system aids me, and I'm not blinded by my views to the extent I overlook a gift, the idea that it pushes anything but racial inequality is insane

Not me, but I aim low. And when it comes to hiring, the guy I want to bring on to cover my shifts when I leave for good is a black guy. But he came in dressed casual and politely asked about being hired. Most of the people I get who ask if we're hiring are wearing their full-on vampire or hip-hop video gear and ask "why y'all ain't never hiring" or whatever.

:lol You ever get a chick dressed up as a character from Bible black?

 

[Knox]

So uh, tin foil hat time. This might have been brought up in the thread already, but could this be an attempt to get conservatives to the polls in November, in the same way that the gay marriage did in 2004?

 

[JayDubya]

Forget fire, why not exorcise your right to bear arms by shooting the fucker in the face.

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense, yeah.

 

[Xapati]

Whomever first thought the way to ensure that all people are treated equal is to give some people special treatment was a dumbfuck.

Kill AA. With fire.

Pretty much. Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Particle Physicist]

So uh, tin foil hat time. This might have been brought up in the thread already, but could this be an attempt to get conservatives to the polls in November, in the same way that the gay marriage did in 2004?

i was thinking the same thing. its not really a crazy conspiracy though. so no tin foil hat needed.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Not me, but I aim low. And when it comes to hiring, the guy I want to bring on to cover my shifts when I leave for good is a black guy. But he came in dressed casual and politely asked about being hired. Most of the people I get who ask if we're hiring are wearing their full-on vampire or hip-hop video gear and ask "why y'all ain't never hiring" or whatever.

:lol


where is your store? i really need to visit some day.