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[HeySeuss]

A whole lot of words and I still can't tell whether or not he was on duty.

Wait, he was on duty. What department sends out a plain clothes cop in a van without a badge?

Depending on the detail, its not unprecedented but typically only someone who does something like trying to get in with a gang or some kind of other deep undercover vice detail. Because you can't have somebody that is living and gathering Intel to accidentally pull out the badge or something and get themselves killed.

This wouldn't be one of those jobs though. I'd want to see if he was in line with policy by doing that. To me "his own little stakeout" tells me he was working on his own time that wasn't necessarily department approved. I'm still not sure if he was on duty or not, I'm leaning towards not though.

 

[PrivateWHudson]

Depending on the detail, its not unprecedented but typically only someone who does something like trying to get in with a gang or some kind of other deep undercover vice detail. Because you can't have somebody that is living and gathering Intel to accidentally pull out the badge or something and get themselves killed.

This wouldn't be one of those jobs though. I'd want to see if he was in line with policy by doing that. To me "his own little stakeout" tells me he was working on his own time that wasn't necessarily department approved. I'm still not sure if he was on duty or not, I'm leaning towards not though.

The CNN story does state that he was on duty. The cynic in me wants to say that he wasn't, but everyone will get on board bending the truth. The department can spin it as they need to work on policy over how citizens can identify plain clothes police (even though in reality they won't ever have to deal with this situation again because he really wasn't on duty). And the lawyer will recommend the family settle out of court for a decent chunk of government money instead of going after this guy as a private citizen.

 

[Aselith]

Depending on the detail, its not unprecedented but typically only someone who does something like trying to get in with a gang or some kind of other deep undercover vice detail. Because you can't have somebody that is living and gathering Intel to accidentally pull out the badge or something and get themselves killed.

This wouldn't be one of those jobs though. I'd want to see if he was in line with policy by doing that. To me "his own little stakeout" tells me he was working on his own time that wasn't necessarily department approved. I'm still not sure if he was on duty or not, I'm leaning towards not though.

Wouldn't he have to be assigned this duty to be in policy? Like working cases on your off-duty time or just randomly assigning yourself a duty assignment is surely 100% out of policy just for reasons of labor laws, right? I don't think police departments would want the headache of unpaid overtime suits by letting police just do random odd job stakeouts.

 

[HeySeuss]

Wouldn't he have to be assigned this duty to be in policy? Like working cases on your off-duty time is surely 100% out of policy just for reasons of labor laws, right? I don't think police departments would want the headache of unpaid overtime suits by letting police just do random odd job stakeouts.

Correct. When I said in line with policy I meant if was truly on duty and assigned to that detail if he would need his badge on him. I would guess that he would per his policy but I don't know for sure.

If he was on his own stakeout on his own time then yeah it wouldn't even apply here because he would have been acting outside the scope of his job.

 

[not psycho]

I don't think someone simply walking towards you, even at night, is just cause to pull out your gun.

It's certainly not just cause to fire a gun.

A key point is that they are not in identical positions though. One of them is broken down on the side of the road at 3:15 am. The other one is choosing to roll up on him in an unmarked white van and plain clothes, armed. The second one is creating a legitimately scary situation.

But we can say more than that. The second one is creating a legitimately dangerous situation because he is a cop. The reason is that police are given a massive amount of leeway in killing people. So we have an incompatible combination of "massive leeway in killing" and "dispensing justice in an unmarked van and plain clothes". It is to the point that we can calmly, logically say that the cop stopping there was creating a dangerous situation of his own volition. You simply cannot enjoy such ability to kill without consequences and simultaneously believe that it is a net good to roll up on cars at 3:15 am in an unmarked van, plain clothes, and gun at hand. If you have the first (which you shouldn't, but right now that's the case), you absolutely, positively cannot do the second.

I'm afraid this is going to end up without video and the cop can say whatever he wants. "He aimed his gun at me, closed his eyes, and started counting down from ten." We'll probably never know what happened. But regardless, we can say that with the current killing conditions cops allow themselves, they should insert themselves into less situations (and especially when they are unidentifiable). They are dangerous people.

 

[Aselith]

Correct. When I said in line with policy I meant if was truly on duty and assigned to that detail if he would need his badge on him. I would guess that he would per his policy but I don't know for sure.

If he was on his own stakeout on his own time then yeah it wouldn't even apply here because he would have been acting outside the scope of his job.

Are there any government mandates or regulation that you know of surrounding keeping accurate duty records or is that going to come down to departmental policies as well? That feels like a local policy thing to me. But maybe that's something that the majority of departments are pretty meticulous about?

 

[e_i]

Cop involved in shooting loses job

 

[Any Questions]

Probationary officer fired for killing innocent genuinely nice bloke.

Anything else you might do.... Like arresting him!

Hopeless

 

[FadedRevolution]

Cop involved in shooting loses job

Should be in jail for murder. I refuse to be satisfied if a shitty cop loses his/her job it needs to be more than that.

 

[EdwardTivrusky]

Should be in jail for murder. I refuse to be satisfied if a shitty cop loses his/her job it needs to be more than that.

There is an ongoing criminal investigation, he could face charges still. Would firing someone from the Police while they are being investigated be a sign that they expect things to go against him? Don't the Police usually put Officers on leave when they think they can win a case against them?

 

[Angelus Errare]

Insert shitty humans on social media talking about it's a damn good shot, not so subtle dog whistles. Insert a bunch of fuckboys talking about compliance and other bullshit.

Switch the roles and people would be calling for Corey's head. And dude would have be held in jail without bail until his trial in which he will be found guilty by his "peers".

 

[RiccochetJ]

Cop involved in shooting loses job

Good start, but from everything that's been reported so far, I would hope that there's going to be some criminal charges. They do say it's ongoing, but I'm not exactly holding my breath.

 

[timetokill]

Losing his job isn't even the bare minimum. There better be charges brought against this fool.

 

[Lemonz]

Ex-cop Nouman Raja arrested in fatal shooting of church musician Corey Jones

http://cbs12.com/news/local/ex-cop-...fatal-shooting-of-church-musician-corey-jones

And now he's out on bail.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/n...es-jail-prepares-for-house-ar/nrZGT/#10017270

 

[Atrophis]

How does it take seven months to arrest the guy? They had audio recording of the incident the entire time.

Also curious how a disgraced, fired ex-cop can post 250K bail.

 

[KingWool]

How does it take seven months to arrest the guy? They had audio recording of the incident the entire time.

Also curious how a disgraced, fired ex-cop can post 250K bail.

Probably got donations from that Blue Line Cash Flow.

 

[Amory]

How does it take seven months to arrest the guy? They had audio recording of the incident the entire time.

Also curious how a disgraced, fired ex-cop can post 250K bail.

bail bondsman?

 

[Sylas]

How does it take seven months to arrest the guy? They had audio recording of the incident the entire time.

Also curious how a disgraced, fired ex-cop can post 250K bail.

Bail bonds are totally a thing.

 

[Violence Jack]

Good. Hopefully he'll be locked up for rest of his life cause that was flat out murdering an innocent man.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

This is some fucking bullshit


makes me depressed

 

[Two Words]

He probably won't get convicted. It just takes one delusional cop lover to get him off.

 

[Mattlikewhoa]

How in the hell did it take so long for the arrest?! And he STILL go bail?!

They'd better put in, under the damn jail...

 

[LiK]

fuck this cop, hope he gets convicted

 

[NastyBook]

fuck this cop, hope he gets convicted

.

 

[MJPIA]

https://www.scribd.com/doc/314525478/Nouman-Raja-Arrest-Affadavit

Good afternoon. Thank you for being here today. I’m Dave Aronberg, State Attorney for the 15th Judicial Circuit, which covers all of Palm Beach County. I’m joined today by Chief Assistants Brian Fernandes, Adrienne Ellis and Al Johnson. Today, the Grand Jury concluded its review of the use of force by former Palm Beach Gardens officer Nouman Raja, which resulted in the death of Corey Jones. Chief Assistants Brian Fernandes and Adrienne Ellis presented the evidence before the Grand Jury. The Grand Jury today has found that Mr. Raja’s use of force was unjustified. Pursuant to this finding, this Office has charged Mr. Raja with 2 counts: One count of Manslaughter by Culpable Negligence, which is a second degree felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison; and one count of Attempted First Degree Murder with a Firearm, which is a Life Felony punishable by up to life in prison. Mr. Raja has been arrested and taken into custody. We are making available to the public a copy of the probable cause affidavit, which outlines the pertinent portions of the investigation and findings. We would like to thank everyone who assisted in this investigation, especially our law enforcement partners from the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office, the FBI and the United States Marshals Service. We have notified representatives of the Corey Jones family about the Grand Jury’s decision and our subsequent charges. Because this is now a pending criminal case, I am not permitted to make any further extra-judicial comments and therefore cannot take any questions at this time. I appreciate your understanding as we now move forward to the next stage of this matter.

Geez that last paragraph of the top page, taught more than 800 hours of classes at a training academy and goes out and does this.

 

[Outdoor Miner]

Hopefully there is some justice for Jones' family. smh

 

[Jmanunknown]

This case should be easy to get a conviction they have a recording of the entire encounter and than they have a recording of the former officer in question lying about the whole encounter to 911. It should be easy but its an altercation between a black man and a cop this is gonna be tough to get conviction.

 

[Aselith]

He got attempted murder for murdering someone????? Well, at least he's being punished I guess.

Edit: Oh wait so not a conviction yet.

 

[Sulik2]

Manslaughter and first degree murder charges? Finally a grand jury that isn't incredibly racist itself charging a cop for what actually happens.

 

[WaterAstro]

Ther... there's justice?

 

[Wereroku]

So was he trying to shake the guy down for cash or was he just out to kill someone?

 

[xKilltheMx]

Theres nothing yet, just a grand jury agreeing something bad happened.

 

[Stinkles]

Don't be silly now. Don't judge the entire police force of probably hundreds of thousands of officers (?) on the actions of a fraction of one percent.

Interesting fact: Not only don't we know how many police officers there are in the country, we actually don't know how many police DEPARTMENTS there are either.

 

[TAJ]

No joke. I planned to visit US a few years ago, but I'm legit scared of the place now.

Use the buddy system, like if you were scuba diving. A designated white person.

 

[Havoc2049]

Why the hell did the Palm Beach Police Department have a rookie cop in a plain clothes undercover capacity? That is just asking for trouble and pretty stupid on the part of the police department.

 

[kirblar]

This case should be easy to get a conviction they have a recording of the entire encounter and than they have a recording of the former officer in question lying about the whole encounter to 911. It should be easy but its an altercation between a black man and a cop this is gonna be tough to get conviction.

They also have a prosecution that's not protecting the cop.

That's really the trick to it.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Use the buddy system, like if you were scuba diving. A designated white person.

lol, Chappelle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIRjB6CPxLE

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

They also have a prosecution that's not protecting the cop.

That's really the trick to it.

Only to get it into court. Now they have to find 12 reasonable people, in Florida, after jury selection... Aww fuck it.

 

[Beartruck]

Pretty easy to see why he was charged. He attacked a guy while out of police uniform, the guy fled, and by the Officer's own admission he kept shooting at the guy even after he "dropped a weapon".

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

“As the officer exited his vehicle, he was suddenly confronted by an armed subject,” the police department said in a statement. “As a result of the confrontation, the officer discharged his firearm, resulting in the death of the subject.”

bullshit

 

[The Nexus of G]

Manslaughter and first degree murder charges? Finally a grand jury that isn't incredibly racist itself charging a cop for what actually happens.

A part of me cynically feels that this might have been a lot easier to accomplish because the cop was also not white.

 

[oneils]

Why the hell did the Palm Beach Police Department have a rookie cop in a plain clothes undercover capacity? That is just asking for trouble and pretty stupid on the part of the police department.

You must have misread something. He wasn't a rookie cop and he wasn't undercover. He was qualified instructor and was off duty from what I can tell.

Edit: it's unclear to me if he was on duty or not.