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[LookAtMeGo]

No hard feelings minx, you are just predictable. You are right, we dont have a lot of evidence, just testimony of friends who were just with him, countless character references and an imaginary scenario. But for some reason you want video? Why? Is not the evidence enough to know that this man should not be dead?

 

[Herbs]

Just an update, but hey let's trust the cop, yet again.


Corey Jones Never Fired His Weapon

and also the cop who shot him seems to have a credibility issue...

Meanwhile, records released Wednesday reveal that Raja, who had only begun working for the Palm Beach Gardens Police Department earlier this year, had failed to disclose in his job application that he’d received a reprimand at his last post, in Atlantis, Florida, after he neglected to turn over morphine recovered from a suspect into evidence.

LOL at Shadownet doubling down on his ignorance.

 

[Monocle]

Self-defense or something. You know what they say about those church drummers. Can't let your guard down for a second.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Just an update, but hey let's trust the cop, yet again.


Corey Jones Never Fired His Weapon

and also the cop who shot him seems to have a credibility issue...



LOL at Shadownet doubling down on his ignorance.

So unexpected!

 

[Marlenus]

We didn't attack you. We just told you that population is an insignificant factor when you compare 10 months vs. 95 years.
When the timeframe is different by the factor 100, it doesn't matter that much that the population is different by the factor 5.

Adjusted for population and time this would be the numbers:
3 deaths* in the UK vs. 780** in the US per 10 months.

*Thats the number you get when you multiply the real number by 5 to adjust for the population.

**Remember that these 10 months in the US might not be representative, while the UK number is the precise number of the police shootings in the last century narrowed down to an average number for a 10 months time period.


So if the UK had 320mil people they'd had 3 police shootings over the course of 10 months, compared to the US's 780 shootings.
260 times more police shootings.

You are still wrong, the statistic mentioned was deaths caused by police in 95 years, that includes beatings, shootings, strangulation etc etc. The USA quoted statistic is just shootings and does not include other deaths at police hands.

 

[Volimar]

Just an update, but hey let's trust the cop, yet again.


Corey Jones Never Fired His Weapon

and also the cop who shot him seems to have a credibility issue...



LOL at Shadownet doubling down on his ignorance.

The prior reprimand means more to me than the guy never firing his gun. In a lot of situations, just brandishing a weapon is enough to make you a threat. But any credibility that cop might have had is gone. I'm afraid that if there's no dash/body cam footage than this is as far as it goes...

 

[neurosyphilis]

Man, what a shitty place to be. My first assumption would be that someone had arrived to help me, not that I was about to engage in a firefight for my life. Must be fucking miserable living like that.

Yes because this world we live in is so perfect right ? Everyone is nice and we don't have to worry about any crazies. Some random person is going to pull up behind a random person late at night to help them.

 

[Gravy Boat]

so basically no one is allowed to fear for their life except cops

because i'm not sure how a complete stranger walking up to your car at 3am is somehow not a legitimate reason to fear for your life.

It's only a legitimate reason if you're paranoid as shit. How's it any different than a complete stranger walking up to your car at 3pm? I can't imagine living with that level of paranoia. "It's dark and someone is walking towards me, better get my gun".

At most it's a legitimate reason to be suspicious. Fearing for your life is just crazy talk.

 

[GeordieMark]

But in this case, the new gun owner had every right to brandish his weapon at a stranger coming up to him at 3am on the side of the road. Possible threat incoming? Of course you have your weapon out, especially when you're the one stranded.

I mean, it's possible someone is just trying to help, but more likely it's someone up to no good. In these situations, if you want to help.. you CALL THE POLICE, who will show up in clearly identified and marked cars and check the situation out.

I don't think someone simply walking towards you, even at night, is just cause to pull out your gun.

 

[kame-sennin]

wow being from the UK you guys really don't seem have much faith in your police force do you,

Yes I am genuinely surprised at many Americans attitudes towards their police force

(As of 20/10/2015)

 

[JDSN]

Just an update, but hey let's trust the cop, yet again.


Corey Jones Never Fired His Weapon

and also the cop who shot him seems to have a credibility issue...



LOL at Shadownet doubling down on his ignorance.

Looks like we got more of those "facts" the usual suspects keep telling us to wait for.

 

[Herbs]

Looks like we got more of those "facts" the usual suspects keep telling us to wait for.

My guess is that it still isn't good enough. Usual goal post moving incoming. It must be exhausting be so ignorant.

 

[RS4-]

I don't think someone simply walking towards you, even at night, is just cause to pull out your gun.

Hey man, looking at a cop a certain way is enough to get shot.

 

[Frog-fu]

Lol okay, and I guess you're more qualified. You don't know anything about me and here you are judging my credibility.

So I guess having today youth beating and even killing random people for fun wasn't alarming to you. Sure it happens far less than police killings, but let's just pretend its just kids being kids. It happen so far and few in between.

But hey, if you disagree with me or whatever. Feel free to ignore my posts. I wouldn't lose sleep over some random internet guy.

Fuckin' anime girl avatars and diet/low key racism got together so well.

 

[Frog-fu]

At this point there needs to be a study on the correlation.

It's honestly a mindfuck. Like, I don't actually get it. And it always seems to be female anime characters. Never noticed this type of behaviour with avatars of shōnen heroes or seinen characters. It's always fucking young girls.

 

[Volimar]

Wow, personal attacks on fellow GAFfers is getting out of hand. Can't we stick to the issue and quit calling people out on perceived slights?

 

[JDSN]

It's honestly a mindfuck. Like, I don't actually get it. And it always seems to be female anime characters. Never noticed this type of behaviour with avatars of shōnen heroes or seinen characters. It's always fucking young girls.

You know my man Gutz isnt into the dehumanizing treatment of them Kushan brehs.

 

[DragonSworne]

I don't think someone simply walking towards you, even at night, is just cause to pull out your gun.

Unless the guy approaching you had a gun drawn. Then any reasonable person would pull out their gun.

 

[Volimar]

Unless the guy approaching you had a gun drawn. Then any reasonable person would pull out their gun.

You mean the officer or the drummer?

 

[Frog-fu]

Wow, personal attacks on fellow GAFfers is getting out of hand. Can't we stick to the issue and quit calling people out on perceived slights?

Calling out bullshit apologists and low key racists isn't on the level with unwarranted personal attacks because of differing opinions.

Check Shadownet's post history. He has a habit of posting suspect shit that straddles the line between dog whistles and "just asking questions."

You know my man Gutz isnt into the dehumanizing treatment of them Kushan brehs.

 

[Agent Gibbs]

How do we even know the drummer had his gun drawn? he could have had it in his pocket, he could have warned the approaching unannounced stranger in the dark "don't come any closer i have a gun" at which point officer plainclothes in the dark decided to draw his weapon in the dark and shoot the aggressive suspect who threatened a police officer.

Now depending on how cynical you want to be, as he fell his gun could have ended up where it is in that crime scene picture, or if you want to be really cynical, the cop could have shot an unarmed man and on his lucky day found a new unopened gun in the car with receipts and panted the gun outside to help his own case

 

[Big Baybee]

Such bullshit

 

[Lothars]

How do we even know the drummer had his gun drawn? he could have had it in his pocket, he could have warned the approaching unannounced stranger in the dark "don't come any closer i have a gun" at which point officer plainclothes in the dark decided to draw his weapon in the dark and shoot the aggressive suspect who threatened a police officer.

Now depending on how cynical you want to be, as he fell his gun could have ended up where it is in that crime scene picture, or if you want to be really cynical, the cop could have shot an unarmed man and on his lucky day found a new unopened gun in the car with receipts and panted the gun outside to help his own case

Which is probably what happened, I wouldn't be surprised if he shot him first than tried to cover it up like that.

 

[SummitAve]

Which is probably what happened, I wouldn't be surprised if he shot him first than tried to cover it up like that.

Why is that probably what happened?

 

[neoism]

Send plainclothes cops after stranded cars in isolated locations at 2:30 in the morning. That's sure not gonna make people scared and panicky and lead to dangerous confrontations, no sir.

Plainclothes cops are such a stupid, bullying, authoritarian idea unless they're doing some specific undercover work involving organized crime.

yup should totally be illegal ...smfh at this.. poor guy...

 

[NastyBook]

R.I.P., Corey. Hopefully there'll be justice for you.

 

[jmood88]

No police car, regular clothes, and didn't have his badge. Fuck anyone who tries to blame Jones for his murder.

 

[GeordieMark]

Unless the guy approaching you had a gun drawn. Then any reasonable person would pull out their gun.

And promptly be shot unless they can draw like Billy the Kid.

Looks like we got more of those "facts" the usual suspects keep telling us to wait for.

I appreciate why waiting for facts could be flawed, but the alternative is to make a snap judgement and decide one of the two parties fucked up, possibly condemning them unfairly.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

And promptly be shot unless they can draw like Billy the Kid.

So then you have a problem with the fact virtually anyone can legally carry a gun in this country.

You say the civilian should've given the approaching figure the benefit of the doubt. What about the officer? Given the context (unmarked car, plainclothes, no badge), do you belive he should've given the driver the benefit of the doubt?

Do you think the onus for doing "the right thing" in this situation should be the civilian alone at the side of the road in the middle of the night?

I appreciate why waiting for facts could be flawed, but the alternative is to make a snap judgement and decide one of the two parties fucked up, possibly condemning them unfairly.

Do you believe past similar instances and quantifiable practices by a particular institution should be ignored? Is prematurely condemning the side that already has the odds stacked in their favor a sentence with permanent repercussions?

 

[A Link to the Past]

I just don't even have the energy. I'm going to wait until it inevitably comes out that he had no weapon and that Hero Officer(tm) shot up an unarmed black man.

EDIT: Turns out he was armed or something? I'm just reading the backend of the thread, haha. Still doesn't justify what the officer did at all.

 

[GeordieMark]

So then you have a problem with the fact virtually anyone can legally carry a gun in this country.

You say the civilian should've given the approaching figure the benefit of the doubt. What about the officer? Given the context (unmarked car, plainclothes, no badge), do you belive he should've given the driver the benefit of the doubt?

Do you think the onus for doing "the right thing" in this situation should be the civilian alone at the side of the road in the middle of the night?

I didn't mention either party specifically, so I'm not sure where you pulled that from. I was responding to BSB's post saying its fair to pull a gun if someone approaches you at night. Nobody should have pulled a gun. It was a breakdown. How it got to the point that a guy was shot dead is quite ridiculous really.

 

[Volimar]

Calling out bullshit apologists and low key racists isn't on the level with unwarranted personal attacks because of differing opinions.

Check Shadownet's post history. He has a habit of posting suspect shit that straddles the line between dog whistles and "just asking questions."

Wouldn't the appropriate thing be to set him straight when he makes those statements and not dog him in other threads about it?


I don't mean to come off as telling people what to.do, it just rubs me the wrong way to go after a poster instead of what he posts because you don't like things they've said in the past.

 

[LucidMomentum]

No police car, regular clothes, and didn't have his badge. Fuck anyone who tries to blame Jones for his murder.

Ridiculous. How was anyone supposed to tell that this guy wasn't someone looking to assault someone whose car broke down? If you have none of the identifying aspects of a police officer, why are you acting as one?

I didn't mention either party specifically, so I'm not sure where you pulled that from. I was responding to BSB's post saying its fair to pull a gun if someone approaches you at night. Nobody should have pulled a gun. It was a breakdown. How it got to the point that a guy was shot dead is quite ridiculous really.

Exactly. The facts are that this "cop" who had no identifying aspects to indicate he was in fact law enforcement (see above) shot a man, who he claims was armed.

Why was he armed? Maybe it was the fact that he saw someone approaching his broken down car with a gun and he couldn't tell if he was law enforcement or not as a result of the "officer" having no uniform, no badge, and no work vehicle.

All we have is the word of the police officer, and there have been numerous incidents this year, let alone this quarter showing that sometimes they lie about their accounts.

The fact that this officer's story is starting to unravel alone is unsettling, and at the end of the day an innocent man was killed because of a lack of protocol, and that's what the issue is.

Wouldn't the appropriate thing be to set him straight when he makes those statements and not dog him in other threads about it?


I don't mean to come off as telling people what to.do, it just rubs me the wrong way to go after a poster instead of what he posts because you don't like things they've said in the past.

Yeah that would be, but the problem is he's already been banned for this type of thing and he just keeps doing the same things in other threads. It gets tiresome having to be the one to "set people straight" when they just take it to another thread, or when we get the same exact talking points in almost every thread on this matter, as shown above.

It's less going after someone and more "hey look, we tried telling you this HERE but you keep ignoring it."

 

[Spring-Loaded]

I didn't mention either party specifically, so I'm not sure where you pulled that from. I was responding to BSB's post saying its fair to pull a gun if someone approaches you at night. Nobody should have pulled a gun. It was a breakdown. How it got to the point that a guy was shot dead is quite ridiculous really.

"I don't think someone simply walking towards you, even at night, is just cause to pull out your gun." – You.

You were responding to an example that was in turn based on what happened in this story. It's fair to extrapolate from that that you're applying your conclusion to the driver's actions. Does that make sense?

Wouldn't the appropriate thing be to set him straight when he makes those statements and not dog him in other threads about it?


I don't mean to come off as telling people what to.do, it just rubs me the wrong way to go after a poster instead of what he posts because you don't like things they've said in the past.

People have tried, and he doubled down on it. He was banned for it, came back, and is seemingly unwilling/incapable of changing, so there's that.

Can't say I sympathize with someone so staunchly ignorant about a given subject, even after being given a chance, and who likely thinks my life is worth very little. I wouldn't blame anyone else for feeling the same way about that person.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

No police car, regular clothes, and didn't have his badge. Fuck anyone who tries to blame Jones for his murder.

Wow. Well yea, I'd have my weapon on me and prepped to go as well. Guess I'd be a memory too.

 

[kame-sennin]

Why is that probably what happened?

Because police do that all the time. Hence, it is probable that they did it again.

 

[GeordieMark]

"I don't think someone simply walking towards you, even at night, is just cause to pull out your gun." – You.

You were responding to an example that was in turn based on what happened in this story. It's fair to extrapolate from that that you're applying your conclusion to the driver's actions. Does that make sense?



People have tried, and he doubled down on it. He was banned for it, came back, and is seemingly unwilling/incapable of changing, so there's that.

Can't say I sympathize with someone so staunchly ignorant about a given subject, even after being given a chance, and who likely thinks my life is worth very little. I wouldn't blame anyone else for feeling the same way about that person.

Mate, you jumped to conclusions and you misinterpreted what I said. You are the only person who has so far. Maybe your extrapolations aren't as accurate as you think?

I was deliberately vague and didn't refer to either party because I don't know what actually happened, and neither do you. I was simply arguing that pulling out guns because its dark and you don't know who is coming is not smart, whoever you are.

 

[YoungHav]

If you keep throwing facts at them, they'll have to resort to the "well what was he doing out so late?" card.

 

[Omega]

It's only a legitimate reason if you're paranoid as shit. How's it any different than a complete stranger walking up to your car at 3pm? I can't imagine living with that level of paranoia. "It's dark and someone is walking towards me, better get my gun".

At most it's a legitimate reason to be suspicious. Fearing for your life is just crazy talk.

because people don't generally murder someone in broad daylight?

usually happens at night, since you know, it's harder to see things.

 

[GeordieMark]

because people don't generally murder someone in broad daylight?

usually happens at night, since you know, it's harder to see things.

You can't go around pulling guns on people who walk in your direction, just because its dark. Fear isn't an excuse. Your chances of being shot dead by a random stranger at night are still fairly low.

That goes for cops and civilians.

 

[Omega]

You can't go around pulling guns on people who walk in your direction, just because its dark. Fear isn't an excuse. Your chances of being shot dead by a random stranger at night are still fairly low.

That goes for cops and civilians.

i never said pulling out a gun was right.

just how its hilarious that this 'i feared for my life" excuse is perfectly fine for cops, but not for someone walking up to your car at 3am.

 

[Kinyou]

When the country allows people to legally carry guns for self defense then either the way a cop approaches a situation like this has to change or the right to carry guns. It's kind of bound to have tragic endings when it's left this way.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

I didn't mention either party specifically, so I'm not sure where you pulled that from. I was responding to BSB's post saying its fair to pull a gun if someone approaches you at night. Nobody should have pulled a gun. It was a breakdown. How it got to the point that a guy was shot dead is quite ridiculous really.

I don't disagree with you but I mean its america, everyone has a gun and its open carry. If 3am at night, someone approaching you unidentified isn't a reason to pull a gun I dunno what the point of open carry even is. (Personally I don't even like the gun ownership in America period) No one should have died but like, the officer should not be approaching people without a badge, armed in plain clothes. You're not a cop at that point to anyone. If this was the other way around the victim probably would not be in any sort of trouble.

 

[GeordieMark]

i never said pulling out a gun was right.

just how its hilarious that this 'i feared for my life" excuse is perfectly fine for cops, but not for someone walking up to your car at 3am.

Yeah, I agree with that.

I don't disagree with you but I mean its america, everyone has a gun and its open carry. If 3am at night, someone approaching you unidentified isn't a reason to pull a gun I dunno what the point of open carry even is. (Personally I don't even like the gun ownership in America period) No one should have died but like, the officer should not be approaching people without a badge, armed in plain clothes. You're not a cop at that point to anyone. If this was the other way around the victim probably would not be in any sort of trouble.

Its tricky to say when a police officer or civilian should ever draw a gun. In most cases of a gun being drawn, you could probably make an argument for it being unnecessary. Its why having civilians carry them for self-defence is a bad idea. Its more likely to get you shot, and guns escalate situations as often as they diffuse them.

I'm not American, so my attitudes are different, but if I broke down on a lonely road at night and someone approached me, my first reaction would be that they were probably going to offer help, not shoot me.

 

[Gravy Boat]

because people don't generally murder someone in broad daylight?

usually happens at night, since you know, it's harder to see things.

I'm sure plenty of murders take place in daylight actually.

i never said pulling out a gun was right.

just how its hilarious that this 'i feared for my life" excuse is perfectly fine for cops, but not for someone walking up to your car at 3am.

It's not an excuse for cops either.

 

[Skeyser]

When the country allows people to legally carry guns for self defense then either the way a cop approaches a situation like this has to change or the right to carry guns. It's kind of bound to have tragic endings when it's left this way.

Especially plainclothes cops.

 

[Trojita]

No police car, regular clothes, and didn't have his badge. Fuck anyone who tries to blame Jones for his murder.

At this previous job with the police department in Atlantis, Florida, Raja failed to turn over morphine pills recovered from a suspect. Raja never wrote a report or submitted the evidence, according the Times, citing Atlantis police internal affairs file. Due to Raja’s actions, prosecutors were forced dropped the case against the suspect.

On his application for the Palm Beach Gardens police department, Raja only listed minor incidents, when asked if he had ever been reprimanded.

When hired, the police department paid him 5% more than other rookies because of his “exceptional experience,” according to the Times.

Ummmmmmmmmmm.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Mate, you jumped to conclusions and you misinterpreted what I said. You are the only person who has so far. Maybe your extrapolations aren't as accurate as you think?

I was deliberately vague and didn't refer to either party because I don't know what actually happened, and neither do you. I was simply arguing that pulling out guns because its dark and you don't know who is coming is not smart, whoever you are.

I asked "What about the officer?" because it sounded like you were talking specifically about the driver.

Since I know you're familiar with jumping to conclusions (I can link to your relevant posts if you don't believe me, or if you forogot) and you are familiar with specific, carefully chosen working, I know you'll appreciate that I never said "You don't apply the same expectations to the officer." Right? I asked what you thought about the officer, giving you the chance to clarify or explain further.

After seeing how ready you were to dismiss a story of someone being shot for following an officer's orders, I do have a suspicion of what you think about these stories, and I find your understanding of the law enforcement climate in America, in turn making it strange you frequently pop up in these discussions here. If you think that's unfair, that's your prerogative. However, don't

If you need it further laid out why someone would extrapolate that you're talking specifically about the now dead driver: You say it would be dumb to pull your gun out when a person in plainclothes approaches you (in the middle of the night) in a unmarked, non-tow truck vehicle. The officer is the one approaching the vehicle — that's based on the officer's recounting of the situation, btw — if the driver did have his weapon out, it was out of fear of what this stranger is planning to do. Since it would be weird for someone in that position to approach the person who emerged from the unmarked vehicle, and (if that's irrelevant to the discussion because it's an unknown) we know the officer was approaching the vehicle (which is known based on his story), then it's fair to think you weren't referring to the officer when you said:

I don't think someone simply walking towards you, even at night, is just cause to pull out your gun.

Right? Again, since you've placed such importance on specificity of language, does that make sense to you now?

 

[PreFire]

So he carries his gun around, but not his fucking badge?

And instead of offering assistance to the person with the broke down vehicle, he fucking draws his gun before assessing the situation.

Then proceeds to shoot the drummer, because from his perspective, he probably thought some regular plainclothes dude with a gun was going to try and attack him so he did what a brave human would do, try and defend yourself. Even if the cop was indentifying himself as police, he had no badge and at 3am on the side of a road, you can't just take the word of a man, by himself, pointing a gun at you.

What a great cop.

Most Cops in the US don't serve and protect us, just themselves. I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but from my experiences, most cops are scumbags.

And what kind of a friend/bandmate leaves someone stranded like that? Idc what time it is.. You're with him, his car breaks down, you stay with him. It's an unspoken code. How do you just leave the person who was giving you a ride? Fucking selfish

RIP

 

[GeordieMark]

I asked "What about the officer?" because it sounded like you were talking specifically about the driver.

Since I know you're familiar with jumping to conclusions (I can link to your relevant posts if you don't believe me, or if you forogot) and you are familiar with specific, carefully chosen working, I know you'll appreciate that I never said "You don't apply the same expectations to the officer." Right? I asked what you thought about the officer, giving you the chance to clarify or explain further.

After seeing how ready you were to dismiss a story of someone being shot for following an officer's orders, I do have a suspicion of what you think about these stories, and I find your understanding of the law enforcement climate in America, in turn making it strange you frequently pop up in these discussions here. If you think that's unfair, that's your prerogative. However, don't

If you need it further laid out why someone would extrapolate that you're talking specifically about the now dead driver: You say it would be dumb to pull your gun out when a person in plainclothes approaches you (in the middle of the night) in a unmarked, non-tow truck vehicle. The officer is the one approaching the vehicle — that's based on the officer's recounting of the situation, btw — if the driver did have his weapon out, it was out of fear of what this stranger is planning to do. Since it would be weird for someone in that position to approach the person who emerged from the unmarked vehicle, and (if that's irrelevant to the discussion because it's an unknown) we know the officer was approaching the vehicle (which is known based on his story), then it's fair to think you weren't referring to the officer when you said:



Right? Again, since you've placed such importance on specificity of language, does that make sense to you now?

Yeah, I figured this was about the other thread, rather than what I had actually written. Let it go mate. I responded in that thread. Leave it there.

You can put words in my mouth all you like. I know what I said and I know what I meant. You do your mental gymnastics and see what you want to see. I've not taken a position of laying blame anywhere, and I have already stated that there is clearly an issue with US Policing.

You've obviously got a strong opinion on this, so there isn't much point continuing to argue with you. I'm not changing my position either, so lets just agree to disagree and move on.