I guess it's a decent one if just for Fitz and Simmons commiserating over Simmons' imminent demise and for watching Ward jump out of a plane after Simmons, but for someone who wants to catch up on the show, it's not necessary to watch.
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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S4 |OT| Ghost Riders in the Skye - Tuesdays 10/9c
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I guess it's a decent one if just for Fitz and Simmons commiserating over Simmons' imminent demise and for watching Ward jump out of a plane after Simmons, but for someone who wants to catch up on the show, it's not necessary to watch.
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The first half of the show is bogged down with so many bad episodes in a row that it made people stop watching. If I'm trying to get someone through the first season without them losing patience and dropping it, why would I make them slog through exactly what killed millions of people's interest?
Read the wiki to find out what an 0-8-4 is. Watch the cameo on YouTube, it's like one minute long. They're not worth watching probably the worst episode of the show for.
No they don't.
Fitz and Simmons do have a good moment in that episode but they have plenty of other, better moments later on in the show. It's not necessary to watch FZZT to get a feel for their development. And I disagree that FZZT began to separate the characters in viewers' minds; I recall no one being able to keep the two straight until season two when they were finally doing completely different things.
The first half of the show is bogged down with so many bad episodes in a row that it made people stop watching. If I'm trying to get someone through the first season without them losing patience and dropping it, why would I make them slog through exactly what killed millions of people's interest?
Read the wiki to find out what an 0-8-4 is. Watch the cameo on YouTube, it's like one minute long. They're not worth watching probably the worst episode of the show for.
No they don't.
Fitz and Simmons do have a good moment in that episode but they have plenty of other, better moments later on in the show. It's not necessary to watch FZZT to get a feel for their development. And I disagree that FZZT began to separate the characters in viewers' minds; I recall no one being able to keep the two straight until season two when they were finally doing completely different things.
StarCreator
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I watched every episode as it aired (except 0-8-4, which I managed to miss and only caught recently) and still found it enjoyable. It was just a very different show that gets a lot of not-entirely-deserved flak due in large part to how inconsistent airings of new episodes were. It holds up a lot better on a binge watch, and I definitely wish I had revisited S1 when seemingly minor elements it seeded kept coming back in S2 as my memory of it was definitely fuzzy with time.
Broken Joystick
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alternatively if this is the last season i won't be mad because it's going out with a bang
It's easier to get through a few bad episodes of a TV show when marathoning. Also, not everyone thinks the first season is as bad as you apparently do. If someone is interested in the show, it's best to watch it and come to your own conclusions.
It introduces a recurring character who is important later in season 1 and the eye technology, which is also important later in season 1.
You may not personally care but it's a factual statement to say those episodes introduce things that matter to the storyline later. For example,
And again, it's silly to suggest someone skip just a small number of episodes. Just watch the whole series and build your own opinion. I've talked to my fiancee about how AoS was looked at as very mediocre in the first season and she doesn't understand it. She still enjoyed the those mediocre episodes because she liked the characters.
This isn't a case of, "Skip season 1. Nothing is important and it's terrible." There's a few bad/mediocre episodes in the first half. It's not a big deal.
It introduces a recurring character who is important later in season 1 and the eye technology, which is also important later in season 1.
You may not personally care but it's a factual statement to say those episodes introduce things that matter to the storyline later. For example,
Deathlok waking up with his leg missing and the eye implant in a later episode wouldn't have the same impact without watching episode 4. It completely gets rid of the context behind the eye implant.
And again, it's silly to suggest someone skip just a small number of episodes. Just watch the whole series and build your own opinion. I've talked to my fiancee about how AoS was looked at as very mediocre in the first season and she doesn't understand it. She still enjoyed the those mediocre episodes because she liked the characters.
This isn't a case of, "Skip season 1. Nothing is important and it's terrible." There's a few bad/mediocre episodes in the first half. It's not a big deal.
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Next episode is in April.
Broken Joystick
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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S4 |OT| Time For Your ReWard
Broken Joystick
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Viewing AoS as just a show, I can see their point. But when you consider the show within the wider context of the MCU and what it does, I think we appreciate the development and extent to which characters and storylines are being utilised.
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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S4 |OT| Four Seasons and about seventeen movies
bitbydeath
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So how did Ward get in the framework, I thought they needed direct scans of people?
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It's probably not literally Ward, but a recreation based on the memories others have of him. It's just like how Mack's dead daughter exists in the Framework despite them obviously not having scanned her.
Opinions can be wrong, as I've said many times, I ain't give a damn about any character in Season 1 except for Tripp, Coulson, and May
That's a good question actually. I want to know more about how the Framework actually works. Was Hydra and Ward put into the Framework or were they both created as a collective thought from everyone who is plugged in?
Maybe one of the late season twists will be that it actually is somehow Ward's consciousness in the Framework?
Maybe one of the late season twists will be that it actually is somehow Ward's consciousness in the Framework?
bitbydeath
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Interesting, I wonder if this is the Hydra version of Ward or good guy Ward.
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StarCreator
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Literally just came back from Googling it myself.
my personal hope is that the collective memory of those that made the framework is Ward being a traitor. So now with Hydra running the show, I hope he is secretly SHIELD.
Also, just for the record: phenomenal episode. really, really cool. Basically every scene was a highlight of its own.
Can't wait to see how it continues.
Spoiler fear/speculation:
This being a Whedon show, I see Coulson and May expressing their love for one another inside the framework, but one of them not making it out.
Alcoremortis
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Considering it was built using the Darkhold, my bet is it works via magic.
It's literally magic. The software has infinite processing and runs simulations of existence. There exists a Ward for the same reason he existed in the real world.
That would be amazing.
The way I understood it was that it isn't literally magic but that the Darkhold "taught" Radcliffe how to create something so impossible and complicated using actual science. That could be wrong but I haven't considered the Framework to be literal magic.
From Yo-yo's (Natalia Cordova-Buckley's) Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/BQzJHNXhU7a/?taken-by=yosoycordova
@misterkarate being Jed Whedon, of course. Fun picture.
This dude @misterkarate just directed his first TV episode and it's fucking GREAT!!! #Marvel #AgentsOfShield
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@misterkarate being Jed Whedon, of course. Fun picture.
My sister is the same way.
Some people just like light adventures for their entertainment instead of betrayals and seeing likable characters put through the wringer.
I like both
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They're going to bring back Tripp, Adama and his battlestar carrier, Bobbie and Hunter.... #IWantToBelieve
Lone_Prodigy
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What if May is undercover, and Simmons is her handler?
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I'm imagining SkyeWard scouring the world to reassemble the team and convince everyone to take down Hydra and escape the Framework.
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Don't worry the one who dies will be imprinted into the others mind so they can always be together.
I have to say, I think splitting the season into three parts really benefited the show. It's as if we received three separate 7-8 episode seasons. If the show is renewed, I hope it follows the same format.
I imagine them doing something really special for the 100th episode too.
I imagine them doing something really special for the 100th episode too.
BlazinSkatinAxel
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Watch the framework being embodied into a LMD that looks like Ward after they kill Zola of course.
dead souls
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From a business standpoint it honestly doesn't deserve to be.
If you look at how broadcast shows have been performing in the ratings in recent years they come back in the fall at around where they finished the previous season at and then decline over the course of the season. So that means SHIELD would come back at the 0.6 ratings it's getting now and probably decline to something even more hideous over the course of the 2017-2018 season.
In a year this could be pulling something like a 0.5 or a 0.4. ABC would be crazy to keep dead weight like that around.
Napoleonthechimp
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Oh fuck. That's brilliant.
This is the best episode in the entire show.
So many tour de force acting moments. The plot was on point. The best action scenes ever on this show. And that ending opens up so many questions and possibilities.
Nothing before touches this episode and I seriously think they may have peaked here.
family_guy
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I wonder if they account for how people consume media these days. It's rare that I watch any TV show live anymore since I have Netflix and Hulu subscriptions. Doesn't mean people are not interested in the show, but it might appear that way if you only look at live ratings.
Because those characters were terrible top to bottom.
Couldn't tell Fitz and Simmons apart before Ward's heel turn
Skye/Daisy did not matter
May was even more stoic and unremarkable
Coulson was clown shoes
Tripp was fine though
Most of Season 1, is trash
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