ChiefDada
Gold Member
Wrong. Base PS5 was roughly same internal res as PS5 Pro with a 1440p output. PS5 Pro is using PSSR to reach a 4k output in it's new performance mode.
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Alan Wake 2 on PlayStation 5 Pro – Behind The Scenes
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Wrong. Base PS5 was roughly same internal res as PS5 Pro with a 1440p output. PS5 Pro is using PSSR to reach a 4k output in it's new performance mode.
Topher
Identifies as young
What PC are you referring to?
Shake Your Rump
Gold Member
Tell it to the OP. I’m just going by what is there.
You are saying they both render at ~800p?
DoubleClutch
Member
40 FPS is a big jump from 30 FPS and should honestly be the minimum for gaming.
kevboard
Member
every PC. the game only has a toggle for each effect, no granular adjustments.
if I read the info they gave correctly, the BVH is reinged in and updates slower compared to PC.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
They don't like that question.
Games of Today
Member
lol dude. 4090's barely do that.
kevboard
Member
a 3070 beats this. if you want to know specifics.
but even then you can't compare this as the PS5 Pro version gets a lower quality RT reflection setting than what's even possible to enable on PC
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Topher
Identifies as young
It sounds like you are simply saying that PC has more settings available. That's fine, but you can't make comparisons like this without knowing how it impacts performance.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
The internal resolution profiles for PS5 and PS5 Pro respective modes are virtually identical. The biggest difference is trading FSR 2 out for PSSR and specifically for Performance mode, boosting the output resolution from 1440p to 4k. It should be a very tangible IQ difference between base vs Pro performance modes.
MisterXDTV
Member
The actual developers of the game disagree...
Performance Mode
The Performance Mode on the PS5 Pro features significantly higher output resolution and has more visual detail compared to the base PS5. The Pro Performance mode uses approximately the same image quality (render) settings as the base PS5’s Quality mode.
The overall image stability, fog, volumetric lighting, and shadow accuracy have been improved on the Pro.
- 60fps
- Using approximately the same render (image quality) settings as the base PS5 Quality mode.
- Base PS5 Performance mode version runs at lower render (image quality) settings
- Render resolution 1536 x 864
- Output resolution 3840 x 2160 (4K)
- Base PS5 version outputs 1440p.
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kevboard
Member
that is now what I'm saying. what I'm saying is that the RT reflections they use in the Pro version are lower than what you can set them to on PC.
on PC it's an on/off switch for reflections, which render at a set quality that you can not change.
the PS5 Pro version reduces the BVH radius and update rate (probably also runs half-res). something you can not do on PC. meaning RT reflections as seen on PC are far more demanding.
if you only enable RT reflections and you targeted 30fps with optimised settings, you should be able to match this on a 3070.
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MisterXDTV
Member
- Quality mode outputs 2160p FSR2 from 1270p
- Performance mode outputs 1440p FSR2 from 847p
The main factor here is that FSR2 sucks compared to PSSR: we already know this
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Killer8
Gold Member
They made the right call focusing on ray-traced reflections. There are a lot of bodies of water and reflective surfaces in Alan Wake 2 so it provides the biggest bang for buck as far as visual improvements go.
From what I remember of Digital Foundry's path-tracing PC breakdown, the lighting improvements it offers is pretty subtle and they blend it with the rasterized lighting system anyway. You don't get the generational leap you get with Cyberpunk 2077's path-tracing.
It also brings a 4070 to its knees at 1440p even with DLSS.
From what I remember of Digital Foundry's path-tracing PC breakdown, the lighting improvements it offers is pretty subtle and they blend it with the rasterized lighting system anyway. You don't get the generational leap you get with Cyberpunk 2077's path-tracing.
It also brings a 4070 to its knees at 1440p even with DLSS.
Pedro Motta
Gold Member
How do you know this?
Radical_3d
Member
Wrong again. Base PS5 has less internal resolution upscaled to 1.440p. Jesus, it’s in the summary people. It isn’t that hard!
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Umm right so where was I wrong?
Radical_3d
Member
I doesn’t have roughly the same internal resolution. It has less.
It uses the same image quality render setting, I presume this is mostly graphic setting, effects and post processing.
What I am worrying is image clarity/blurriness. Usually, lower internal res will not eliminate shimmering and I see really bad example in the 30sec performance clip.
MisterXDTV
Member
Internal resolution is basically the same come on:
847p vs 864p
What changes is the OUTPUT quality going from 1440p FSR2 vs 2160p PSSR
Killer8
Gold Member
Too much you want. Here is lower resolution,, than on PS5 pro. Even XTX and 4070 can't give 60 fps
Bear in mind that DLSS quality at 1440p means it's using a base resolution of 960p compared to the Pro's 1224p prior to the PSSR pass.
There's a reason it's dropping some of the other ray-tracing effects and is shooting for only 30fps.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
That's an extremely low resolution to upscale to 4K with. Lower than DLSS's Performance Mode.
Radical_3d
Member
I’ll take my 17 lines, thank you.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
King Dazzar
Member
Not interested in the game personally. But I am interested in that PSSR is doing well with low base resolutions. And we're getting quality preset equivalent's at 60fps instead of 30fps.
Good stuff.
Good stuff.
kevboard
Member
read the article by Remedy that they posted.
Alan Wake 2 on PlayStation 5 Pro – Behind The Scenes
Take a deep dive into how Remedy’s Northlight engine team updated the technology behind Alan Wake 2 to support the new features of PlayStation 5 Pro.
www.remedygames.com
the RT reflections are half res CBR.
the BHV updates anything that isn't a character at half rate or lower (depending on distance), distant objects are culled from the BVH, and light sources are culled based on some parameters that determine if they are important.
on PC the BHV updates at full rate and I'm pretty sure the reflections are full resolution. culling is also not as aggressive on PC.
Topher
Identifies as young
Alan Wake 2 DLSS performance mode should be a good comparison against PS5 Pro performance mode. But it should be noted that this is simply Remedy's decision to leave the render resolution the same as quality mode and add more visual details.
It would be interesting to know what the render resolution required for PS5 Pro performance mode would be minus those visual enhancements.
Mahavastu
Member
what I would like to know is if an unpatched game can use the full number of CUs.
In the end it would "only" require some kind of "giveMeNumberOfCus()" function to enable this. No idea if this exists...
MisterXDTV
Member
847p vs 864p isn't "roughly the same"?
The difference is probably due to how the two upscalers work:
Probably PSSR requires a TRUE/perfect 16:9 resolution input:
They are in green in this table...
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
No, on Sony's consoles you target certain version of SDK, which means that unpatched version does not have access to whole HW, this is to prevent some kernel panics, when you do some whacky stuff, which you can on PS. But you can still benefit from improved overall HW, like better memory system, more CPU power, etc.
MazingerDUDE
Gold Member
Not superior enough, the game's still a dithery mess with a lot of specular shimmering
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Mister Wolf
Gold Member
I wouldn't be surprised if Alex uses that DLSS mod to force the same internal resolution or uses DLSS 4K Ultra Performance(720p) to prove a point.
Topher
Identifies as young
Side by side comparisons...
Screenshot of reflections without any denoising
vs
Screenshot of how reflections look after denoising and anti-aliasing with PSSR
PlayStation 5 with no ray tracing
vs
PlayStation 5 Pro with ray tracing
Screenshot of reflections without any denoising
vs
Screenshot of how reflections look after denoising and anti-aliasing with PSSR
PlayStation 5 with no ray tracing
vs
PlayStation 5 Pro with ray tracing
MazingerDUDE
Gold Member
They're both PS5 PRO with and without the PSSR
Topher
Identifies as young
I copied and pasted the image titles from the article
Alan Wake 2 on PlayStation 5 Pro – Behind The Scenes
Take a deep dive into how Remedy’s Northlight engine team updated the technology behind Alan Wake 2 to support the new features of PlayStation 5 Pro.
www.remedygames.com
SportsFan581
Member
The additional denoising on the reflections jumps out.
MazingerDUDE
Gold Member
I copied and pasted the image titles from the article
Alan Wake 2 on PlayStation 5 Pro – Behind The Scenes
Take a deep dive into how Remedy’s Northlight engine team updated the technology behind Alan Wake 2 to support the new features of PlayStation 5 Pro.
My bad, I missed the 2nd image lol
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Nah lol.
This is a 3070 on its last legs running 4k dlss quality at medium settings with no RT.
Mr Moose
Member
Hair looking better.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Pathtracing though? The PC version has this! If it was mentioned, my apologies!
If it matches the PC's graphics, I'm double dippin'!
If it matches the PC's graphics, I'm double dippin'!
Negotiator101
Member
I'm just not seeing a nearly £400 cost difference between base and Pro with the graphics being shown. Sure it's better but it's hardly significant and not worth IMO the premium price.
DanielG165
Member
I would hope so, considering the considerable advancements in architecture since 2016 and 2017 lol.
Luipadre
Member
Wait for sale. The first dlc is really short and just okay i think. This will probably be short too, like 2 hours max.