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Alan Wake 2 on PlayStation 5 Pro – Behind The Scenes
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ChiefDada
Gold Member
You make a good point particularly with the post processing preset but I'm not convinced that negates the performance effects of RT reflections even at low settings.
Topher
Identifies as young
kevboard
Member
if you look at the video, the "medium" preset doesn't run everything on medium. it seems like many settings in that medium preset run higher than PS5 in quality mode.
ps5 in quality mode runs shadow resolution and shadow distance at medium for example. 2 very demanding settings. the medium preset in the video shows that these are set to high in that preset
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blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Very disappointed it can’t match low
Mr Moose
Member
Bojji
Gold Member
Based on this image it's above 2080ti but below 3080.
Yeah it's between performance (1080p) and ultra performance mode (720p). Ultimate test for PSSR here.
MazingerDUDE
Gold Member
PSSR is excellent at preserving foliage subpixel details in general, probably one of its most distinctive features when compared to other upscaling solutions.
kevboard
Member
the biggest issue here is the refusal from developers to give PC players these reduced settings that they give people on console.
the same happened in many raytracing supporting games on console. the console versions get an optimised version, the PC doesn't. pretty sure that Control on console already had a checkerboarded RT reflections setting that isn't available on PC. same with Watch Dogs Legion.
giving PC players a lower quality option would make it possible for lower end GPUs to use RT. especially AMD GPUs would profit from this, but also low end RTX cards like the mid and low range 2000 series cards.
kevboard
Member
It's pretty much the medium setting.
the medium preset on PC (as seen in the linked video) runs the most demanding settings a full step higher.
Shadow Resolution and Shadow Distance being extremely demanding, and those run on high in the medium preset. SSR and Near Distance Field reflections also run higher on the medium preset, as does post processing.
but I bet the 2 shadow setting are the biggest factor for the performance here
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Mr Moose
Member
Digital Foundry are wrong then.
kevboard
Member
it seems the listed settings from your post do not match the medium preset as seen in the linked video I quoted.
in that linked video shadow detail is set to high for example. in digital foundry's list they say medium preset has them on medium. so, that's odd for sure.
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Mr Moose
Member
I just checked on my game, doesn't even show low post processing quality for me. Weird.
This is what mine shows as when I select Medium
Zathalus
Member
Here is a 4070 doing 4K DLSS performance at just about 30fps. Note it is using both higher settings vs the Pro and is also using medium RT, which enables path tracing and as such murdered performance. Conversely it also is a lower internal resolution. Switching DLSS to balanced, using Pro settings, and dropping RT to low should certainly offer a locked 30. Probably a bit over it as well.
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Ironman_Bad
Member
Surely they could've opted for a different reflections solution specifically for the mirrors in the game....
The raytraced lighting looks great in their examples but these mirror reflections are hardly an improvement from the base game in any mode. Why not just cheat all the mirrors in the game or use some SSR solution? Weird.
The raytraced lighting looks great in their examples but these mirror reflections are hardly an improvement from the base game in any mode. Why not just cheat all the mirrors in the game or use some SSR solution? Weird.
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But it is absolutely positive, the system is clearly delivering what was supposed to deliver, PSRR is a game changer for image quality on consoles and the new RDNA4 ray tracing engine is allowing ray tracing effects that simply weren't possible on consoles before even at 30fps. PS5 Pro is poised to deliver bigger perceptual gains than what PS4 Pro provided without changing TV.
You should have fun reading the comments of those who are clearly bothered by the value it is providing and need to compare it with systems that cost 2x-3x the price to feel solace for their insecurity
Vick
Gold Member
It does, although we can't be 100% sure of the extent to which capture methods/alterations played a role since, even as .png, Pro image is a watermarked one from the article whereas the PC one a raw capture from Alex, and both sources have been digitally manipulated to substantially increase exposure. Could be absolutely zero impact whatsoever, but you never know.
ChiefDada
appears to be right about foliage though, at least to some extent.
Some branch details appear to be entirely absent with DLSS, despite the higher image quality.
Bojji
Gold Member
It does, although we can't be 100% sure of the extent to which capture methods/alterations played a role since, even as .png, Pro image is a watermarked one from the article whereas the PC one a raw capture from Alex, and both sources have been digitally manipulated to substantially increase exposure. Could be absolutely zero impact whatsoever, but you never know.
Some branch details appear to be entirely absent with DLSS, despite the higher image quality.
We don't know which one of those is more "correct" - how those trees would look like without Ai involved and with native 4k resolution. Both PSSR and DLSS are "guessing" many things.
Funny thing is that AW2 don't even offer TAA native image, only options are FSR Native (BAD!) or DLAA.
Vick
Gold Member
Guessing or not, trees and branches shouldn't have invisible portions.
So, at least when it comes to this, one of the two is guessing better than the other.
I also have some pretty big reservations about PSSR "imagining" this branch on the right to be honest:
Vick
Gold Member
Just ray traced reflections, and with reduced BVH.
Game does feature real-time GI however, as easily noticeable by the red bounce on this woman's shirt:
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Hero of Spielberg
Gold Member
Kudos to the people with good enough eyesight to pick up on these details when playing.
Bojji
Gold Member
Guessing or not, trees and branches shouldn't have invisible portions.
So, at least when it comes to this, one of the two is guessing better than the other.
I also have some pretty big reservations about PSSR "imagining" this branch on the right to be honest:
DLAA vs. 4K FSR (native) vs. DLSS B:
Project EVE
Neo Member
Nice but the PS5 Pro isn't out yet. They should release it sooner.
Bojji
Gold Member
I may have to put this thread on ignore. Can't have my wife walk in the room and see me staring at post after post of some weird naked guy's hairy backside.
Let's zoom even further and see how PSSR handles hairs on balls!
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
No recreating these scenes on the Pro (Pathtraced), but will be interesting to see how close it can get! I forgot just how glorious this game looked and I might wager that there is still no game with geometry quite like it. Say what y'all want about this gen not being a clear step over the last, but to me, Wake 2 proves that is total nonsense!
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Radical_3d
Member
Except those are PC pics.No recreating these scenes on the Pro (Pathtraced), but will be interesting to see how close it can get! I forgot just how glorious this game looked and I might wager that there is still no game with geometry quite like it. Say what y'all want about this gen not being a clear step over the last, but to me, Wake 2 proves that is total nonsense!
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
"No recreating these scenes on the Pro (Pathtraced)"
Radical_3d
Member
Yeah, but that’s why I said these are not representative of the current generation. Because you need a NASA PC to move them.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Current generation, to me, is whatever you can play from said generation. PC versions of the best looking games have always blown away their console counterparts and very much why its biggest fans argue that it should never be ignored when talking about generations.
Besides, we have stuff like Demon's Souls, Ratchet & Clank, Silent Hill 2 (yes, even on PS5), and Spider-Man 2 that are clear steps ahead of similar games from last generation and don't require a monster rig.
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
I love these comedic type of posts. Makes for a nice break from a lot of the bickering that goes on.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I played this game with RT off and it still looked excellent. the level of detail and lighting is the same across all versions. ps5's quality mode is mostly using high settings.
On PC, PT makes the biggest difference in reflections which is what they are porting to the Pro.
Vick
Gold Member
Thank you for those.DLAA vs. 4K FSR (native) vs. DLSS B:
Proves that branch absent with DLSS isn't the result of PSSR "imagination", it's supposed to be there as you can, just barely, kind of see it with DLAA.
Power Pro
Member
And why is that comedic when it's the truth? I'm actually getting a PS5 Pro, so you can't label me as a "hater" or whatever, but Mark Cerny's entire pitch during it's reveal and later update was that players shouldn't have to choose between graphics and performance, and that the PS5 Pro was the answer to that.I love these comedic type of posts. Makes for a nice break from a lot of the bickering that goes on.
Thing isn't out yet, and already we're seeing you still have to choose.
Topher
Identifies as young
Cerny said that in terms of base PS5. PS5 Pro, as he said, is meant to give quality mode fidelity at performance mode frame rates. That is what Remedy is saying here with the Pro performance mode:
- 60fps
- Using approximately the same render (image quality) settings as the base PS5 Quality mode.
Vick
Gold Member
This game is giving you PS5 Fidelity at Performance framerate on PS5 Pro.
You really don't see the comedy in claiming Cerny is "full of shit" because Remedy decided to also take additional advantage of the Pro by giving you another option on top?
Guess Remedy deciding to put exactly half the effort in this Pro support would have saved Cerny's reputation..
ChiefDada
Gold Member
You can't be this ridiculous, can you? The Pro performance mode is base PS5 quality mode at 60fps, and potentially better depending on how 864p PSSR upscale compares to 1270p FSR upscale. In other words, they delivered exactly what Sony set out to do with the Pro.
Now you are essentially complaining about the developers providing more player options with a Pro-specific fidelity mode. So if they didn't offer the new fidelity mode you wouldn't be whining? You guys are exhausting.
I was curious so I go and looking for the same scence in the devil ballroom footage see below to it compare to other version.
PS5 version. One of the worst image quality ever on the ps5. Up there with outlaw. I think it is even worst. Look at all the blurriness and dithering. Why this mode past QA?
The pro version. From this brief footage, it has less dithering and It is still blurry. still need to see more but this is not encouraging.
The PC version. Look like 4k dlss quality or close. The difference of having clarity and stability in this game is staggering. I think this game is designed on the high end pc then scale down and port to consoles.
again, look at the ps5 version. The issue here is not graphic. It is clarity and stability issue on consoles. Like I said. What is the point of higher top notch graphic if your game IQ look like that on the ps5 performance mode?
PS5 version. One of the worst image quality ever on the ps5. Up there with outlaw. I think it is even worst. Look at all the blurriness and dithering. Why this mode past QA?
The pro version. From this brief footage, it has less dithering and It is still blurry. still need to see more but this is not encouraging.
The PC version. Look like 4k dlss quality or close. The difference of having clarity and stability in this game is staggering. I think this game is designed on the high end pc then scale down and port to consoles.
again, look at the ps5 version. The issue here is not graphic. It is clarity and stability issue on consoles. Like I said. What is the point of higher top notch graphic if your game IQ look like that on the ps5 performance mode?
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CloudShiner
Member
Best to just ignore them at this point. As you suggest, whatever modes or performance the Pro put in on a game, they'll find something to complain about for the sake of it.
But of course, they claim to not even be interested in the console. Yeah, right.
Pimpbaa
Member
Looks great, finally advanced ray tracing on consoles
What? Its ray tracing we’ve already been getting on the standard ps5 in other games. Unless that’s the joke.
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
They never said there wouldn’t be choice.
Having a “pro” console just output the same graphics as base ps5 quality modes just at higher frames would be a waste of everybody’s time.
put that extra power to use, like what remedy is doing here.
SplunkyMunkey
Member
Forget about the pictures and what's better then what. People should be happy with what there getting with ps5 pro a great miniture pc experience with ai pssr and should looking forward to ps6 while enjoying the experience on what ps5 pro has to offer
I get what you’re saying but to me it would be a massive waste if all the pro did was merge performance and quality. Raising the floor so much and the ceiling? Yes please.
Honestly it seems like there’s less tension or overt compromises to play at 60FPS now, and I’m cool with that.
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Bloody Crow of Cainhurst
Neo Member
Comments under the IGN comparison video are pure cancer. I've never seen so much anger at an optional upgrade in my life. Are these Microsoft bots or green rats or pcmr shills or all three?