Graphics Horse
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Is the world ready for the Passion of the Christ: Engineer edition?
Alien Covenant Trailer Released
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Ulysses 31
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Don't ignore Kingdom of Heaven (Director's Cut), it's one of his best work.
Psychoward
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I never found Alien scary either and I watched it for the first time when I was like 10. I don't care if the movie is scary, I just want it to be a good movie.
Galactic Specter
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I don't know how Villeneuve can keep it ambiguous for Deckard to be a replicant when 2049 is long after the first movie.
That was over a decade ago though.
Except, I provided that in my wrap up paragraph where I compared the original movies to the recent tied movies. Specifically, the simplicity of the originals and the alleged "mystery" of Space Jockey as opposed the now complicated origins of everything that carry with them zero social message, as far as I'm concerned.
Psychoward
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Meh, can easily write it away with longer, aging replicants or some bs
He's either a human or a replicant that ages, it doesn't require an explicit explanation. Deckard is Deckard whether he's human or not.
That was 2005, mate. T_T
I made the same mistake though too. I thought "Hey, American Gangster was pretty good, Ridley's still got it I dunno what y'all are talking about".
American Gangster came out in 2007.
It is Prometheus 2. It's also a prequel to Alien. Which is funny, because Prometheus was originally supposed to be a straight Alien prequel. Oh Ridley.
That's 11 years ago.
And let's not forget he made the misguided decision of butchering his own movie.
The director's cut really one of his best movies though. It's an incredible shame it wasn't originally released that way.
Killer Queen
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That's not explaining why the concept or idea itself is bad, and at this point it's clear you don't have any actual intention to.
So we're going to agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Ulysses 31
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You sure it wasn't the studio that forced his hand? Just like they forced changes and voice overs for Blade Runner theatrical cut?
Curt Baboon
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Why does every Alien film have to go with the "strong female survivor becomes a badass and deals with the Xenomorph" thing? That story has already been told in every Alien movie and it's not like they're going to do any better than what they did in the first two.
Killer Queen
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Are you serious?
First of all how do you expect actors to get more exposure and become fassbender level of they're not given the opportunity to do so in films? How do you think he got where he is?
How does the film look "made for TV"? This isn't even a criticism like the cinematography is poor, you don't like the direction, etc. It's just a stupid comment.
Bobby Roberts
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Nah, he did it to himself.
Fancy Clown
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SomedayTheFire
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That didn't look great imo. It's obvious, but very reminiscent of Prometheus. Still not a fan of this black goo bullshit.
The movie has Danny McBride and James Franco, it has some star power
Killer Queen
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I'm not saying it doesn't, but I'm talking about the lesser known actors he's complaining about.
Yautja_Warrior
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Yep I think someone has had too much to drink this Christmas.
Freeza Under The Shower
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He is a man with a mind from a different time, and also made a movie about Columbus being a great guy (the real version being a raging psychopath who also started the genocide of the native American tribes), so him wanting a 'religious' viewpoint is not that surprising.
Unfortunately, he has all the skill for making movies, but you could say he hasn't been "with it" for a while already. It's less obvious with him than with Bridge of Spies though, where it hit me that I was watching a movie structure that has gone out of style. At least Scott has to be commended on his ability to adapt to changing studio conditions and environment. He has definitely managed to avoid becoming sidelined, which is impressive in itself.
Also, I was sadly not impressed with The Martian either. Primarily because the book made its character be smart by having them do and explain smart things. Much like a Crighton novel, making the reader feel smarter for getting something is part of the appeal of a pure sci-fi novel. When shit becomes too muddled in vagueness, it becomes fantasy.
But in the movie, we saw the camera looking at people supposedly saying a lot of smart things, but we never got the feel that that was the case. Or that there was a genuine discovery to things. I'm not sure why exactly it felt that way, but that's what it felt like. Maybe it couldn't give the viewer time to work it out and had to move too quickly from one thing to another, maybe it was too obsessed with being a comedy, but I felt disappointed by it, despite the only thing I was looking forward to as a sci-fi movie.
Since then, I have been much more pleasantly surprised by The Expanse, and presumably Arrival, but I haven't seen that movie yet.
The Martian was also super crowded with big league actors where half of them felt like they had asked to be on it because they liked the novel, but sooo many fucking characters worked to its detriment. I mean: Kirsten Wiig. She was in this. Does anyone even remember her character? Don't cheat and google it, just admit you don't remember, because why would you ("you" as in people in general, not Bobby specific btw).
Dash_Riprock
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I can't take this criticism seriously anymore after how much it was used by salty DC fanboys.
What a weird trailer. How do you kill the majority of the cast in the trailer? The movie starts and I'd be like, "oh you're back buster guy, and you're stuck in a room with him girl, and you're burning alive person, oh face hugger guy, hahaha shower idiots!" The fuck is wrong with Fox?
This criticism doesn't hold much water now considering we have shows like Game of Thrones, True Detective, Sherlock, and Mad Men showing you can TV shows almost indistinguishable from movies.
I think they mean "made for TV" movies, which are distinguishable from film
This rant about the Martian is total pretentious bullshit
Crazymoogle
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Alright, I'll take a shot at it.
(Prometheus Spoilers) 1.
Answer me this very basic question first, why is David an asshole? It's never explained in Prometheus why he is a secret asshole fucking with the crew?
It's the recurring theme of the film series. Although the androids outwardly follow Asimov's laws, they have overriding objectives given to them by Weyland Corp. in Prometheus, David is given the task to obey Weyland himself, and then to obtain alien weapons for the corporation, which is pretty much what you see in the original Alien, as well. Presumably David is a loose cannon now, with nothing to do but collect or experiment with weapons as he no longer has Weyland to answer to.
(Covenant Spoilers) 2.
Why would the Engineer homeworld (assuming the leak is true) consist of one city and outerlying forests? They have no other cities? This being the homeworld of an interstellar race of Space Gods and what not.
Well there is a lot we don't know on that point, it's possible that they are a civilization on the decline, or spread throughout the galaxy. Maybe this homeworld lost importance given their whole religious zeal thing, like they made it a sacred grove and kept population to a minimum. Or they killed each other enough already. Who knows.
(Covenant Spoilers) 3&4.
Why do the Engineers have zero planetary defenses to stop David from releasing the black goo? Why do they have no antidote or counter to the black goo which they themselves created?
It's both a religious tool and a WMD. David rolls in with sacred weapons / controlled WMDs from another planet. The guys running the temple are going to piss their pants, basically. There is no antidote because there is no answer; it's not something you can just "Star Trek" away. And as for orbital defenses, they do roll in using a friendly vessel, but the planet profile definitely fits more of the "sacred grove" profile anyway. If this race was still militaristic (or capable of building their ships) they might not have made it anywhere near orbit.
(Covenant Spoilers) 5.
Why would Shaw trust David to do a single fucking thing after the events of Prometheus? Why not just keep his disembodied head to do computing and analysis shit and thus prevent him from fucking about?
Because Shaw has nothing left to work with. She can't make it where she wants to go on autopilot. She can't wake herself up. She'll die if she stays awake. And although David is not trustworthy, they have a shared goal, which would presumably keep her alive. I think there is also a little bit of the "misguided android assumption" in assuming David won't just cut her throat; obviously he has ulterior motives but he is not exactly free thinking, either. A head would provide computational help, but not much else, and he could expire by the time she wakes up.
(Covenant Spoilers) 8.
Why does Shaw even go to the Engineer homeworld instead of going to Earth first, get some Space Marines, and then head over?
Because Prometheus was not a public launch. Shaw knows that Weyland and the corporation directly sabotaged the mission. If she goes back, she goes right into Weylands hands without answers. This is the twist of the Alien-verse; if corporations run the world, who should they answer to?
I'm sure limited information makes it back to Weyland Corp, but most of it is probably top secret / encrypted. There's no FTL communication either.
I'm sure limited information makes it back to Weyland Corp, but most of it is probably top secret / encrypted. There's no FTL communication either.
Some of your questions I imagine get answered in the movie. Or the next one. There's not supposed to be a direct roadmap to Alien, yet, AFAIK. And some of it can of course be bad script.
Freeza Under The Shower
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It's what it felt like to me, and I didn't want to look up the review I wrote for it in the 'movies you watched' topic. It felt off to me, and that's what I thought was causing it.
If you disagree with that, you're free to clarify that too you know. Please proceed, governor.
Ridley Scott has gone on record to say it was his decision and that if he really wanted to he could've released the director's cut in theaters.
I agree with you that Ridley has fallen off in latter part of his career but I thought that the Martian was a celebration of science and reason. You may have felt that the movie merely paid lip service to those ideas but I personally felt that the power of the movie came from watching Damon reason his way through his predicament and rely on his intellect to overcome an almost impossible situation. Books will always dive deeper than movies simply because they can. Movies are visual first and have to be a lot more economical with how they impart information to the audience.
Alien Covenant looks like total garbage btw
firehawk12
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I haven't been following any of this... is this a sequel to Prometheus?
Yes, but also the start of a new trilogy.
firehawk12
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So it's all still a prequel to Alien?
TrAcEr_x90
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So....design and cinematography on point as usual with Ridley Scott. Trailer looked more like a Prometheus 2. Which worries me. Scientists doing really stupid things again, two people having sex and getting into bad situations. But....
Lets say this turns out to be a good movie. I wonder if this will change my views on Prometheus? The biggest let down ever. But if it was a movie only to setup this one which could be great, I might be able to watch it again.
Lets say this turns out to be a good movie. I wonder if this will change my views on Prometheus? The biggest let down ever. But if it was a movie only to setup this one which could be great, I might be able to watch it again.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Yea I'm in the same boat. If I wanted just Alien, I'd watch Alien. Personally more interested in the world expanding and universal origin mythology
What social message did the OG film carry?
Psychoward
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It didn't but it didn't try to, that's what they were saying.
I'm not. These prequels are hollow cash grabs tbh, part of what made Alien great was the mystery of it. Not knowing anything about the engineers let your imagination run wild as to how and why they look like they do, and who they are. Ominous and terrifying.
EroticSushi
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Wait so is this the same David or another model?
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