StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Why not have a 4th tier and just have a similar service at a similar price for PS Now only gamers, just like they left Essentials at $60 the same for PS+ gamers?
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Because that'd mean that PS Now lives. I don't think it'd be practical for Sony to do that. PS Now was going nowhere, because of PS+ in a way.
If you remember, people have been clamoring for this exact thing -- that Sony should combine PS+ and PS Now. And now they have listened to customer feedback and done just that.
The combined budget would lead to better-quality and more games for the subscribers who want them. And if someone does not want the additional games, they can just choose a lower-tiered option.
I think it's a win-win for the overwhelming majority of PS+ userbase (48 million vs. 3.2 million). No decision can be perfect for 100% of the customer base, so I think this decision makes more sense.
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DelireMan7
Member
Happy to see the some PS1/PS2/PS3 games accessible. I need to see the list of them. BUT having to take the most expensive tier to access them... Not sure I go for it. I mean if they are still available on the PS3 Store, it's more profitable for me to buy the ones I want to play since it takes me more than one month to complete a game.
Also I am new to this kind of service, and I don't get this :
Also I am new to this kind of service, and I don't get this :
- Time-limited game trials will also be offered in this tier, so customers can try select games before they buy.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Playstation is also a PC thing now.
They did.
PlayStation Plus Premium**
Benefits- Provides all the benefits from Essential and Extra tiers
- Adds up to 340* additional games, including:
- PS3 games available via cloud streaming
- A catalog of beloved classic games available in both streaming and download options from the original PlayStation, PS2 and PSP generations
- Offers cloud streaming access for original PlayStation, PS2, PSP and PS4 games offered in the Extra and Premium tiers in markets** where PlayStation Now is currently available. Customers can stream games using PS4 and PS5 consoles, and PC.***
- Time-limited game trials will also be offered in this tier, so customers can try select games before they buy.
Not doable. They are forcing features to PS Now players and upping the price.
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kyliethicc
Member
Sony said only 25% of PS Now subs don't have PS Plus.
Its less than a million people. They get their existing sub term upgraded for free. Sure, those people will have to pay more in the future for what Now offered, but they get more too.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Seems like Jimbo forgot his old saying that nobody cares about old games…until they are the only thing you’re willing to package together lol
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
It shouldn't be, but if two services are offering comparable quality, then catalogue size does become a factor. And while GamePass might have slightly better content curation, it may not stay that way.
There's also the thing that value can be subjective, depending on games offered. I'm a big fan of a lot of older PS1 & PS2 niche/quirky games for example; if those games were in the Premium tier then that would have more value to me than GPU. But the chances of some of those games making it in are extremely low.
Yeah, I can't picture any PS+ subscribers dropping because of the revamp; base Essentials still gives everything PS+ already gave to begin with, the other tiers are just stuff on top.
Ultimately it seems like these revisions are to galvanize people already in the console ecosystem to invest further, and potentially attract users to the console ecosystem who aren't in already. Which might also (hopefully) mean they will be addressing console shortage issues sooner rather than later.
All the streamable PS4/PS5 games in that tier will also be downloadable at no extra cost; I think the game trails are for new releases (1P and 3P) that won't be in the service in any tier (at least not at launch or for a while) but will offer demos for you to try the game before deciding if you'd like to buy it.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Well said.
From Sony's perspective, the idea is to increase Average Revenue per Subscriber. It's supposedly easier for users to subscribe to a higher tier than subscribing to a different service altogether (PS Now). Sony would be banking on that.
From user's perspective, apart from less confusion, the combined budget of PS Now would lead to better and more games. Miles Morales, Spider-Man, Returnal, Death Stranding, etc. are already lined up. There will be hundreds of third-party games + many other first-party games that we don't know of yet. That wasn't the case in PS Now, so dual subscribers (which were 70% as per Sony) will already get the benefits (more games) at $20 less per year.
Really can't argue with the incremental value this change brought.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Nope. No PS5 server blades, and all games (except for one very weird, rare exception of RDR 2) are streamable.
Cool, will be interesting to see if Returnal is there at launch for me.
Chukhopops
Member
There are no PS5 games at all today on it, only PS2 PS3 PS4.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
It's 'the plan' to be pedantic but I hope so cause it would also mean that they have upgraded their servers racks.
They could have been more explicit if they wanted.
Because that 'tier' has overwhelmingly been ignored already.
Dr Bass
Member
You have to make up your mind Toad ...... for you sometimes gamepass costs $ 1 by making new accounts and Microsoft will never make money ... other times it becomes too expensive and not worth its cost, changing depending on how you want to badmouth the service. Said this:
Xbox Game Pass added more than $6,300 of games in 2021
Xbox Game Pass added more than $6,300 of games in 2021
After some intense calculations we have put into perspective just why Xbox Game Pass is one of the best deals in gaming historywww.theloadout.com
Captain Toad
doesn't need me to "defend" him here but this is really, really simple, and Im sure you realize it, but in case you're not trying to be obtuse on purpose, I'll spell it out real simple for you. He is saying that Game Pass might be worth 10 dollars a month. But that's not really the cost, because only a complete idiot would pay 10 dollars a month when it's so incredibly easy to get it far cheaper. You understand that right? The problem with Game Pass is not the value it provides to the player, but the expectations it will engender among people who like top quality games and then start expecting them for next to nothing. Look at the comments among Game Pass holders in the RE Village thread as a prime example. It's already happening.
Also, your "$6300 dollars worth of games" link is a terrible way to look at the service. Your time is what is most valuable, and you're never going to play all of those games. So you won't get that "value" out of the service anyway. I'll make the analogy I like to fall back on. No one walks into a Sizzler and goes "there is thousands of dollars worth of food for me to eat at the salad bar!" ... Because you can't possibly eat all that food. It doesn't matter you have "all you can eat." And then the food at the salad bar is not good, and not what I want. I would much rather pay directly for high quality food I want. Now GP might start getting some of those games that are worth the full price (Starfield), but ... man has it been a slow roll out. The service is nearly five damn years old now! Half a decade old!
Here is the other disconnect you, and so many others, seem to suffer. If the fiscal years aren't looking good because they can't make money selling games, guess what happens? Just take a guess.
And no, people were not looking for a rival to game pass. Not that I saw. The only people talking about that are Xbox only gamers who were setting this update up to be a "failure." Set up a false expectation, that no one in the real world really has, so you can immediately cry foul when it's inevitably not that thing. The fact you think you deserve an endless supply of AAA games for little to no money, and that you don't care at all about the people who provide that hobby to you ... What do you think that says?
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I kind of don't want them to upgrade their server racks just -- considering the shortage of PS5.
They should do a temporary 'download only' option for PS5 for now.
DJ12
Member
Can’t say I’m not surprised. Be better when you come back.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
anothertech
Member
Nice.
Good value for me since I have to pay for both ATM. Will save quite a bit at the highest tier.
Interesting to see so many xboys commenting in a ps exclusive thread. I think some ppl are really annoyed ps+ will now more than double the gamepass numbers lol.
Good value for me since I have to pay for both ATM. Will save quite a bit at the highest tier.
Interesting to see so many xboys commenting in a ps exclusive thread. I think some ppl are really annoyed ps+ will now more than double the gamepass numbers lol.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
That has been the issue for me.
He is saying that Game Pass might be worth 10 dollars a month. But that's not really the cost, because only a complete idiot would pay 10 dollars a month when it's so incredibly easy to get it far cheaper. You understand that right? The problem with Game Pass is not the value it provides to the player, but the expectations it will engender among people who like top quality games and then start expecting them for next to nothing. Look at the comments among Game Pass holders in the RE Village thread as a prime example. It's already happening.
Also, your "$6300 dollars worth of games" link is a terrible way to look at the service. Your time is what is most valuable, and you're never going to play all of those games. So you won't get that "value" out of the service anyway. I'll make the analogy I like to fall back on. No one walks into a Sizzler and goes "there is thousands of dollars worth of food for me to eat at the salad bar!" ... Because you can't possibly eat all that food. It doesn't matter you have "all you can eat." And then the food at the salad bar is not good, and not what I want. I would much rather pay directly for high quality food I want. Now GP might start getting some of those games that are worth the full price (Starfield), but ... man has it been a slow roll out. The service is nearly five damn years old now! Half a decade old!
If I have to pay $180 per year and then I'm not even getting the high-profile games in that year, e.g., Avatar, Far Cry, Assassin's Creed, Hogwart's Legacy, Returnal, Horizon Forbidden West, Miles Morales, Elden Ring, Hitman 3, Battlefield, Resident Evil Village, Gotham Knights, etc. and I'm buying them on retail anyway, then the total amount of money I spend that year becomes needlessly high.
As of now, all subscription services for me (GP, PS Now, PS+, whatever) are "complimentary". I buy games that I like and I'm super excited for because I don't want to waste the majority of time playing games I am not even super hyped for. During dry periods, if they come, I see what games my subscription service has that I can play.
$40-$60 per year for a service for dry periods, looks much better to me personally than a $180 per year service.
And then games roll out and rotate -- which is a big personal pet peeve for me. That's why I've always preferred the PS+ model vs. the PS Now model. If I want to go back into my backlog during dry periods, I want the surety that games wouldn't leave. Otherwise I'd be forced to play a game before it leaves -- which goes against what I just wrote above. With PS Now/GP, games leave. With PS+ (Essential), they never do, which fits my needs perfectly.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Waiting for articles and threads:50M vs 25M. Check-fuckin-mate, GamePass.
"What Gamepass needs to do to catch up to PS+"
"Will Gamepass ever reach PS+ numbers?"
"How can MS compete with PS+ that has a 2x lead on Gamepass?"
phil_t98
#SonyToo
50M vs 25M. Check-fuckin-mate, GamePass.
its not 50 mill vs 25mill though, nobody knows how many people will stick to the standard tier and how many will upgrade to the the more expensive ones
some people acting like standard ps+ is gonna change lol
I may consider changing my PS+ to one of the more expensive tiers when I finally get my PS5
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anothertech
Member
It's all ps+. It will all be counted. Just like they don't separate gamepass and gamepass ultimate.
Brilliant move by Sony btw.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
gamepass and gamepads ultimate is the same thing where as standard ps+ is not the same as either of them
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Because they want to squeeze PS Now users for more money.
Helghan
Member
So now Microsoft has to count XBL numbers with Game Pass then?
Fanboys : interested in comparing subscription numbers (which you could have down now, the only thing that changed is that we know the total number of Sony PS/Now subscribers is 48.8m instead of 48m)
Companies : interested in user growth and arpu.
If I was Jim, might have double down and said that GP isn't viable without the backing of a trillion dollar company and hope the FTC bites
Companies : interested in user growth and arpu.
If I was Jim, might have double down and said that GP isn't viable without the backing of a trillion dollar company and hope the FTC bites
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Microsoft seems to be more interested in rolling out PC Gamepass is emerging markets with huge populations. Good way to boost sub numbers (wouldn't impact revenue that much)
kyliethicc
Member
Returnal will be download only. No PS5 game streaming.
dotnotbot
Member
No because main concern are day 1 releases.
Hitchyhero
Banned
The fear has been the points that I said above. PS users have been saying they don't like to "rent games" especially ones that are curated on their behalf. On top of it being "bad for the industry" they argued that you don't own your games.
Now PS users are saying its better on PS because it doesn't include first party games. Talk about moving goalpoasts
Hitchyhero
Banned
.... And when Sony eventually puts day 1 or near day 1 releases on their services will the concern be there, or will GAF suddenly drop the outcry there too. Seems like lots of people are goalpost moving here.
Why can't some people admit what the issue was with Gamepass all along. It wasn't on PS.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Conveniently forgetting that Xbox Live Gold exists50M vs 25M. Check-fuckin-mate, GamePass.
Chukhopops
Member
- Rename unpopular service and merge it into tier of popular serviceConveniently forgetting that Xbox Live Gold exists
- Suddenly it’s popular although nothing has changed
Fanboy logic just hits different.
He is saying that Game Pass might be worth 10 dollars a month. But that's not really the cost, because only a complete idiot would pay 10 dollars a month when it's so incredibly easy to get it far cheaper. You understand that right? The problem with Game Pass is not the value it provides to the player, but the expectations it will engender among people who like top quality games and then start expecting them for next to nothing. Look at the comments among Game Pass holders in the RE Village thread as a prime example. It's already happening.
Also, your "$6300 dollars worth of games" link is a terrible way to look at the service. Your time is what is most valuable, and you're never going to play all of those games. So you won't get that "value" out of the service anyway. I'll make the analogy I like to fall back on. No one walks into a Sizzler and goes "there is thousands of dollars worth of food for me to eat at the salad bar!" ... Because you can't possibly eat all that food. It doesn't matter you have "all you can eat." And then the food at the salad bar is not good, and not what I want. I would much rather pay directly for high quality food I want. Now GP might start getting some of those games that are worth the full price (Starfield), but ... man has it been a slow roll out. The service is nearly five damn years old now! Half a decade old!
Here is the other disconnect you, and so many others, seem to suffer. If the fiscal years aren't looking good because they can't make money selling games, guess what happens? Just take a guess.
And no, people were not looking for a rival to game pass. Not that I saw. The only people talking about that are Xbox only gamers who were setting this update up to be a "failure." Set up a false expectation, that no one in the real world really has, so you can immediately cry foul when it's inevitably not that thing. The fact you think you deserve an endless supply of AAA games for little to no money, and that you don't care at all about the people who provide that hobby to you ... What do you think that says?
a wall of text to say complete and objective proved nonsense. On gamepass there are already titles with higher mc than many of the Sony exclusives. Enough of this nonsense created unilaterally. Halo budget is not less than the one of Spiderman ... Forza it has nothing to envy to Gran Turismo (if anything it continues to be the other way around) Psychonauts is objectively a better game than Knack ..so really I don't understand this nonsense .....What in your head makes you think that Flight Simulator is not an AAA? Or do you think the new Starfield will be a low budget AA RPG released on the service? No matter how many times you repeat this nonsense, it is not real and it is just created on neogaf to push a narrative to excuse the fact that Sony does not want to release its games on a service but prefers to charge them 82 euros each. I wait to read the new spin on the subject.
And anyway Toad meant that the service costs more (he was probably referring to the Ultimate)
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Conveniently forgetting that Xbox Live Gold exists
Microsoft forgot it exists too
Bernd Lauert
Banned
They want to forget, but they can't. Some people are stubborn and don't want to switch to Gamepass.Microsoft forgot it exists too
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The big concern that was always claimed in this forum that games won't sell if they were on gamepass and make money with them. Day 1 titles were not the main concern, as they are most from MS. But now that Sony has a similar thing finally such a service is now a good thing.
And yes I know Sony already had such a service with PS Now, but somehow this was never really compared to Gamepass in the negative way even if it was the same in the last years (just with mainly old titles).
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Lol wut? It was always about day one titles because that was and still is the main difference between the two offerings.
Sony has been putting their FP games on their sub for years AFTER they've had their run in the market. No one was concerned about that lmao
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PropellerEar
Member
"Sony has commanding lead in game subscription services!"Waiting for articles and threads:
"What Gamepass needs to do to catch up to PS+"
"Will Gamepass ever reach PS+ numbers?"
"How can MS compete with PS+ that has a 2x lead on Gamepass?"
bitbydeath
Member
I haven’t heard that version before but different strokes and all that.
T-Cake
Member
In effect, yes. They have put the PS Now streaming part in the top tier, the download part in the middle tier. Kind of inline with Game Pass as to use XBox Cloud streaming you need Game Pass Ultimate.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
well we have heard for the last few years how games pass would ruin gaming and how games wouldn't be finished or budgets wouldn't be the same.
I think these people who said all that were a bit delusional if they thought Sony wouldn't counter with their own version of gamepass which is what they have done. its now which service will offer the most value
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Conveniently forgetting that Xbox Live Gold exists
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Very funny, considering the state of Playstation in Japan
phil_t98
#SonyToo
so why is it a brilliant move? so to counter do Microsoft just add xbox gold to the numbers to fudge it to?