Almost GTA:SA's 10 year anniversary. Did you like playing as CJ?

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I Wanna Be The Guy said:
I didn't go on internet gaming sites back then andI never knew this. Nobody at my school had a problem with him being black.
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I remember this. Some people tried to be subtle about why they were against the game or the character. Some were overt as hell thinking they were being subtle and others just didn't give a damn about what they said but in the end it was the same thing. It was ugly. Oh I never heard anyone in school either bad mouthing the game. Online is really where the vileness came out over the game.
 
I haven't 'liked' playing as any of the Grand Theft Auto protagonists to be honest...

Would love to have a game in the series where you play as a more intelligent criminal as you attempt to rise up the ranks of a larger crime organization rather than the thugs we usually get in GTA titles.
 
Navid said:
I haven't 'liked' playing as any of the Grand Theft Auto protagonists to be honest...

Would love to have a game in the series where you play as a more intelligent criminal as you attempt to rise up the ranks of a larger crime organization rather than the thugs we usually get in GTA titles.
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Eh...

Dude... You rise big time here....
 
those comments though :/ jeez i forgot about them, i read that thread when GTA V released and was smh a lot

i had no problem with CJ at all, guy was cool and the game was really great, soundtrack was ok too , i just preferred more 80's songs in vice city
Vice City is still the better game though.
I got a feeling GTA remastered is gonna be one of next years rockstar game, III,vice city and san andreas with V's graphics D: , do it rockstar


whats "maf" , reading the 2004 thread i see it posted a lot in that thread, gaf had another name?
 
While CJ was only slightly less a lifeless avatar than the protagonists of preceding titles, his story was fantastic by comparison. I'm sure everyone who played the game came to "relate" to him by the end of it.
 
Hated the character. Loved the gameplay.

In fact, I've never liked a GTA main character. But that's okay, since I just play them to mess around, rather than story.
 
Navid said:
I haven't 'liked' playing as any of the Grand Theft Auto protagonists to be honest...

Would love to have a game in the series where you play as a more intelligent criminal as you attempt to rise up the ranks of a larger crime organization rather than the thugs we usually get in GTA titles.
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Isn't that the point of GTA thought, that we experience life at both ends of the spectrum? Petty criminal to your own boss. It always reminded me of scarface in the way you rise through the ranks, cutting up anything that gets in your way, except four of course, that was just pointless.
 
Jinkies said:
While CJ was only slightly less a lifeless avatar than the protagonists of preceding titles, his story was fantastic by comparison. I'm sure everyone who played the game came to "relate" to him by the end of it.
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I think PS2 era GTA are not exactly grounded stories...
 
Vince McMahon said:
A lot of you may not have been around when GTA: San Andreas was released, but some people had a lot of trouble playing as CJ. I remember a GAF thread that was pretty surprising, lots of people not wanting to play as him and instead would have preferred someone like Tommy Vercetti or Claude.
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This is the best euphemism for "white guy" I've read all day.

(Somehow I suspect this thread won't end well.)
 
Upinsmoke said:
I agree with part of what your saying. Lamar and Franklin never feel proper Street either. I didn't feel In the ghetto haha, it wasn't flushed out enough and the rise of the characters in five is very quick, so your out the hood In no time, whereas I felt like I really worked to get my status up in S.A
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Ya - you're right - it's the fact that you had to spend so much time building up CJ before you got to the more advanced weapons and properties, etc. that made Grove Street seem so real. In V, Grove Street pretty much becomes an afterthought early on in the game, and then the only times you go back are when Lamar calls and whines to you about selling him out....
 
Good times with CJ:
Getting him fat/thin to match preferences with the dating minigame
Customizing my cars
The car dancing minigame
Interacting with James Woods and Samuel L Jackson
Riding bicycles.

Bad times with CJ:
Learning to swim
Learning to fly

San Andreas is a classic and still my favorite GTA game of all time.
 
I love the fact that shit like this was actually said in earnest and not as a complete joke

The REAL problem is that black people ain't as cool as white/Italians perception wise. When you think white/Italian criminals; there is an aura of yeah.. the cool factor. Black people; you'd associate with slums and ghettos, pimps, druggies and all the really negative associations (WHICH they've been dealt an unfair hand with). Mention Harlem and nothing really good comes out in relationship to the area. Racial stereotypes are deeply ingrained IMO. White america will find it hard to deal with the theme. I personally can't watch black porn. GTA SA sounds like something I won't be able to get into. (But then I wasn't too impressed with GTA to go run out and buy VC).
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I mean, what kind of person do you have to be to type this out and believe it? And the bolded is just the icing on the cake
 
Stormus said:
Self canceling nonsense.

Vice City > GTA III > San Andreas > GTA IV

Note: I haven't played V yet.
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That's how I'd rank them with GTA5 inbetween SA and GTA4. GTA5 would be higher if its story didn't completely fall apart.

VC, 3, and SA are all really close for me though. VC wins for me because of its perfectly realized setting. 3 is second probably only because of how new everything was when I first played it. It was such a revelation. SA is very close third though.
 
I enjoyed playing as him. He wasn't as charismatic as Tommy, but he had character. CJ was much better than Claude for sure.
 
People's perceptions of whether black criminals could be interesting sure was different in the days before The Wire.
 
Jinkies said:
While CJ was only slightly less a lifeless avatar than the protagonists of preceding titles, his story was fantastic by comparison. I'm sure everyone who played the game came to "relate" to him by the end of it.
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You were supposed to like CJ and think he was a good guy at heart, so there were issues with his story, starting with that mission where you gun down National Guardsmen in order to steal weapons from a base. It was a disconnect you didn't have with the older games where Claude was just a mute avatar of crime, up for anything, or Tommy was a self-professed sociopathic murderer. GTAIV kind of amplified this storytelling problem with Nico and his sob story and suicidal asides.
 
I'm honestly surprised anyone could rank 3 above SA. I mean...it literally had nothing going for it and better than any of the other games except for being the first fully 3D GTA. I mean, literally nothing
 
TheBaronOfNA said:
Eh...

Dude... You rise big time here....
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? whats wrong with the highlighted part of my post you quoted?

Upinsmoke said:
Isn't that the point of GTA thought, that we experience life at both ends of the spectrum? Petty criminal to your own boss. It always reminded me of scarface in the way you rise through the ranks, cutting up anything that gets in your way, except four of course, that was just pointless.
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Yep, of course it is... GTA games have always been about the more rougher criminals (like for example Scarface as you mentioned) than the smooth style of crime genre like the Oceans movies. The other problem with GTA titles is that even after you get towards the end of the game and have risen through the ranks you are generally doing the same stuff you did while you are still low level.

I'm not saying I don't understand what they are going for, just saying that the protagonists are the last thing I play those games for as I generally don't like playing as the stereotype they portray.
 
BeatResetsTheWorld said:
I'm honestly surprised anyone could rank 3 above SA. I mean...it literally had nothing going for it and better than any of the other games except for being the first fully 3D GTA. I mean, literally nothing
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Other than far more open ended mission design you mean? GTA VC and especially GTA SA were when the missions become much more linear about how you approached them.
 
Loved it.

Greatest character in GTA history.

"Like it says in the book... We are both blessed and cursed."

"What fuckin' book?"

What a man.
 
I'll quit liking CJ when he quits being such a busta!

Seriously though, until another GTA protagonist can dual wield, become morbidly obese, and learn to bunny hop a bicycle over a 6 ft tall fence without cheats, CJ is the man.
 
SmokyDave said:
He was, and still is, the best lead a GTA has ever had.

I'd kill for a GTA: SA HD Remix.
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Agreed on both counts.
Put SA in the V engine and you've got a huge winner.

It's very personal but I think no game has come close to SA in that unlikely balance between epicness, scope and pure stupidity.
I'm writing this as a huge GTA V and Volition fan. Vice City, Saints Row 3 and GTA V are my biggest challengers but they're no San Andreas.

SA is incredible in that every time it opens up and the character journey progresses, it unveils what is essentially another open world game. From the hood to the countryside to the desert to Las Vegas.
 
Creaking said:
I'll quit liking CJ when he quits being such a busta!

Seriously though, until another GTA protagonist can dual wield, become morbidly obese, and learn to bunny hop a bicycle over a 6 ft tall fence without cheats, CJ is the man.
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I loved how his voice and demeanor changed based on his clothes and physique. Hardly any game has done that since.
 
I still prefer Vercetti to CJ, and in general prefer Vice City to San Andreas, but CJ and SA are pretty good. Gets a lot better once your out of the first city (except for turf wars, which are awesome and need to come back).

Vice City Stories is better than both of them. Dat Victor Vance. Dat Empire Building
 
My god I still remember that Friday when the game came out, going to the store to pick it up with a friend... I was so friggin excited to play that game, and had so much fun...
 
Navid said:
? whats wrong with the highlighted part of my post you quoted?


Yep, of course it is... GTA games have always been about the more rougher criminals (like for example Scarface as you mentioned) than the smooth style of crime genre like the Oceans movies.

I'm not saying I don't understand what they are going for, just saying that the protagonists are the last thing I play those games for as I generally don't like playing as the stereotype they portray.
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GTAV is all about Ocean style heists (if you choice play that way) and a big optional Mission of SA is also one...
 
The neogaf thread where CJ is announced as the protagonist is too funny man. Too much "can't relate to a gangster" haha.
 
Spehornoob said:
I still prefer Vercetti to CJ, and in general prefer Vice City to San Andreas, but CJ and SA are pretty good. Gets a lot better once your out of the first city (except for turf wars, which are awesome and need to come back).

Vice City Stories is better than both of them. Dat Victor Vance. Dat Empire Building
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I liked VCS. Empire building needs to come back. Fuck Vic though. I just couldn't relate.

Seriously though I wasn't a big fan of Vic. Better than the LCS protagonist though.
 
TheBaronOfNA said:
GTAV is all about Ocean style heists (if you choice play that way) and a big optional Mission of SA is also one...
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I was using it as a example of how the two types of criminals conduct themselves (one having rough mannerism and being quick to resort to violence while the other seemingly always being a step ahead and using others to do his dirty work for him) rather than as commentary on the mission structure...
 
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