Random assholes shouting obscenities? Sounds like the authentic San Francisco experience to me.
yeah it's odd to have put that in a video game.
Am I overreacting? RE: being called a "maricon" by an NPC in a game
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Random assholes shouting obscenities? Sounds like the authentic San Francisco experience to me.
entremet
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Did you miss the Mafia 3 discussion? It was similar but it revolved around the N word.
Many people argued that removing it would sanitize the game. However, race is a big component of the game's theme.
Yes?
Its slang meant to establish the way an NPC talks and thinks of you, no different than an NPC using any other kind of potty talk. People talk like this all the time. Its not glorified in any way.
If the main character was tossing it around casually it would be totally different.
Its slang meant to establish the way an NPC talks and thinks of you, no different than an NPC using any other kind of potty talk. People talk like this all the time. Its not glorified in any way.
If the main character was tossing it around casually it would be totally different.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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As I get older, I'm totally understanding why the Japanese don't get open world "realism." I don't need this shit in something I buy for fun. Why are all of our top open world games like this? But, you do you, guys.
lightskintwin
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Bioshock Infinite's world suffered for not using racial slurs.
TheRedSnifit
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Brb making thread.
Corronchilejano
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acceptable
əkˈsɛptəb(əl/Enviar
adjective
1.
able to be agreed on; suitable.
"the electoral arrangements must be acceptable to the people"
2.
able to be tolerated or allowed.
"pollution in the city had reached four times the acceptable level"
synonyms: bearable, tolerable, allowable, admissible, supportable, sustainable, justifiable, defensible, defendable
"the risk had seemed acceptable at the time"
We shouldn't tolerate its use just because it is widespread.
AngmarsKing701
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Better than a "Moron-ican" , which I should trademark.
Acerac
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Do NPCs commonly call player characters faggots in AAA games these days?
*Edit*
This is a genuine question and nobody wants to answer it I can't understand why.
Good question. I assumed it was English and there was an NPC in San Francisco who used a Spanish slur against the player.
Also, I wonder how common the word is in real life, specifically in San Francisco. I've only ever heard it used a couple of times personally.
entremet
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It's about world building.
This is a direct line from the GTA's focus on realism, albeit as satire, that has influenced the AAA industry. Moreover, there are other games to play luckily. Nintendo would never do this, for example.
Do unsavory characters not exist in fictional worlds?
Because our idea of escapism isn't as extreme as the Japanese one. Japanese adult life in general is incredibly depressing, and so many people look for mediums that help them escape as much as possible and to try to help them remember the good times.
If you look into it, it's actually really sad.
Revolutionary
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inb4 its patched out of the game
radios shipping overview
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In my case, I see enough assholes in the real world, and well, they're assholes.
But I'll just be over here playing Katamari Damacy. You do you.
boiled goose
good with gravy
It's a homophobic slur still regularly used in some countries like fag or gay was used in the US in the 90s.
Colloquially usage could be:
Slur
Something akin to "pussy" in the also unacceptable insult kinda way
And something more mild insult/affectionate term to your friends
Does it have a place in games?
Is it gratuitous? Or does it add some context regarding the views and backwards culture of npcs in the game?
Colloquially usage could be:
Slur
Something akin to "pussy" in the also unacceptable insult kinda way
And something more mild insult/affectionate term to your friends
Does it have a place in games?
Is it gratuitous? Or does it add some context regarding the views and backwards culture of npcs in the game?
Aizen.S.Kennedy
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Go play mafia 3. Ppl are racist/homophobic in real life so video games should reflect that.
Kanye shrug
Something used more openly is being "tolerated" or "allowed" by society though. You can certainly think it shouldn't be.
How many games take place in pseudo-realistic modern San Francisco? Kind of a false equivalency.
Our closest comparisons are GTA npcs having potty mouths, Witcher 3 npcs using gendered insults against Ciri (bitch, whore, etc), and Mafia 3 leaning into foul racial language.
IMO I've spent time in spanish speaking communities and its either this word or "huevon" for #1 in street talk. Certainly realistic.
Just answered it?
Yes, you are. It's a fucking NPC.
sixteen-bit
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More games should have content warnings at the beginning, like Mafia III does.
Acerac
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So... the word faggot... how many of these NPCs use it?
Or are no games thematically appropriate for the usage of the word?
I was talking about the first hundred or so posts that didn't answer the question. Obviously I wasn't talking about responses that would happen after I made such a comment. What an odd thing to say.
Corronchilejano
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Then go and tell people they're faggots in spanish then.
If words like faggot aren't used in english I don't see why they made an exception for using it in spanish. Either go all in on realism or don't, I say. Half measures are lazy.
That said I have no idea of WD2 uses it or the N or C words. I doubt it would though. If it does then at least they can fall back on the realism excuse.
Speaking of which I wanted some big floppy dong physics. Instead I got these button dicks. TF.
That said I have no idea of WD2 uses it or the N or C words. I doubt it would though. If it does then at least they can fall back on the realism excuse.
Speaking of which I wanted some big floppy dong physics. Instead I got these button dicks. TF.
I mean.
I mean...
It's cause we get to live out our violent fetishistic super hero fantasies through the relatively sanitized video game universe.
It certainly ain't for the story.
I'm not a huge fan of open world games tbh, not because they have offensive themes cause... well duh of course they're going to have offensive themes, but because mostly they're extremely shallow experiences that have small little gameplay loops meant to tickle and entertain in way that I don't really get that much entertainment out of.
But like... why do we consume any kind of offensive "realistic" media? Sometimes it's for the story or art or some deep personal reason or whatever and sometimes it's cause we're big dumb animals who're entertained by dumb shit.
I dunno where I'm going with this.
To answer the OP:
I don't know if you're overreacting or not, the slur is completely unfamiliar to me and I don't know the context in which it was used in game and I don't know the context in which it's normally used in real life and I don't know who localized it or who did a quality check on that localization.
I do know that unless a game is set in the 70s or 80s or you really want to drive home the idea that an NPC is a real shitbird you probably wouldn't have an NPC calling the Player a "faggot" in any games today.
freenudemacusers
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I want my games to be considered as art on the same level as books/film, just you know, only coddled.
PsihoPerihelion
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Gee, WATCH DOGS 2 sounds like an alt-right wet dream.
BennyBlanco
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being offended all by yourself isnt fun
In Spanish (from Spain) maricon is faggot. You can use it as an insult to call someone a "pussy" like someone said here but it comes from the connotation that faggots are pussies.
Btw. this made me remind of the greatest FFXI NPC ever for a spanish speaker
Translated as "whatafaggotd" in english
Mafia 3 uses slurs and characters will definitely refer to the protagonist with slurs.
Not saying I enjoy being around assholes, but I can respect a developer wanting to craft something faithfully representative of the world we live in and the things we might experience that aren't superhero-level antics. It seems clear that was there intent when you see how accurately mapped (albeit condensed) to San Francisco it is. Not every game should adhere to escapism and levity contrasting with "realism", and it's great that the massive amount of games being made today means that isn't the case.
giancarlo123x
Banned
This planet is no longer for me. It's a random fake dude trying to be an asshole. NPC should just yell compliments at you. "Nice shoes you handsome devil!"
Revolutionary
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It says "MATURE 17+" on the box.
Wasn't enough to stop players from turning into 12 year olds at the sight of a digital vagina. Maybe he's onto something.
"Warning: the following game contains hairy vaginas and racial/homophobic slurs"
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I mean, why not
In the year 20XX "Nice shoes you handsome devil" is slang for "I hope your entire race is shot into space and then your spaceship has a catastrophic hull breach and also you lose your parking ticket"
Hey man, I kickstarted Butt Sniffin Pugs because it's a game where you play a small dog who helps other dogs and people and they give you cool curio gifts in return and the world is awesome cause you're a Butt Sniffin' Pug.
There's games out there for everyone.
So... the word faggot... how many of these NPCs use it?
Or are no games thematically appropriate for the usage of the word?
I was talking about the first hundred or so posts that didn't answer the question. Obviously I wasn't talking about responses that would happen after I made such a comment. What an odd thing to say.
Uh... okay. I responded to your post and noticed you edited to say no one was answering your question.
To name every specific game that uses that specific word, in whatever language, is sort of missing the point. Its trash talk. Plenty of games (like the three I mentioned, which are similarly open world AAA games - which is what you were asking for) use foul language as a means of world building, characterization and tone setting. Its realistic. People say terrible things.
Like, without having touched Watch Dogs 2, I can infer that the NPC saying that is probably uneducated, spanish-speaking, and a dude. I can also guess that hes specifically making a dig at how fly the main character looks. Thats how language works!
You dont have to feel comfortable listening to it because its not a comfortable word.
freenudemacusers
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Please don't objectify my body with assaultive shouts or reduce me to consumer capitalistic wealth signifiers thanks.
Acerac
Banned
Why do these games not have NPCs calling players faggots?
Unless they do? Still nobody tells me whether calling player characters faggots is a common thing in AAA titles nowadays.
I made that edit before you posted though. There's a timestamp.
Why do you think devs don't have their NPCs calling player characters a faggot? Unless they do, nobody seems to want to say one way or the other.
If calling player characters a faggot is considered an ok thing to do in video games, by all means. It just seems odd that you can only do so in foreign languages. Kind of misses the point.
They should set the next one in Canada so that every bullet fired at your character can realistically be followed up with a sincere apology from the shooter.
Waylon Drums
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I was hoping to have some kind of discussion. Instead, we have people falling over each other making the same smug point.
It's not, at least not in my experience, which is why I found it odd. I just didn't realize the thread would be flypaper for assholes.
It's not, at least not in my experience, which is why I found it odd. I just didn't realize the thread would be flypaper for assholes.
Interfectum
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Well... I mean it's an open world game where you shoot people, run over people and commit random acts of violence. A random asshole NPC calling you a name is over the top and too much realism?
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