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Am I overreacting? RE: being called a "maricon" by an NPC in a game
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Seems people are playing daft here and don't get that the language NPCs use in GTAV for example, doesn't go into slur territory with faggot, n word, etc. OP doesn't seem shocked by NPCs being assholes as that is common since Spider-Man 2 on PS2. OP is correctly pointing out the using slurs as street trash talk in games is odd in that it is quite uncommon. OP didn't complain about the NPC not being nice and to suggest so is just avoiding the actual topic.
Getting called names is common, but the category of name is unusual in this case and heavier in some ways.
Getting called names is common, but the category of name is unusual in this case and heavier in some ways.
What now our discussion isn't even good enough for you?
Am I overreacting or is OP just looking for validation of their feelings? Cause I'm pretty sure there's been a lot of discussion that OP just doesn't want to respond too.
Maybe they should change the ESRB warning for certain games to reflect the need for actual maturity instead of a certain age range. Something that says you should be an actual, grown-ass adult before playing this.
Something like: "MATURE - YOU'VE PAID YOUR OWN UTILITY BILLS BEFORE"
RedBaron17
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OP, that NPC was just confusing you with his neighbor Marty Cone.
Acerac
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Oh it isn't? Huh, so fucking odd that nobody else is willing to say this.
kk then, I agree, why the double standard? Call player characters faggots or don't.
oh wow
Waylon Drums
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I am the OP and I haven't replied much to the circle jerk about me being offended because the people posting those replies don't seem to actually care to have a discussion, they just want to complain about people having feelings or being offended.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Usage varies by language and culture.
Not saying it is more acceptable in reality but games could reflect those differences.
You seem like an expert. Glad this got cleared up.
Imo op, you are reacting normally. Sometimes bad people say mean stuff that hurts people's feelings. Mission accomplished, game.
Rushersauce
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That "hay" is wrong.... It's ¡ay!
Crow Pudding
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Just as a curiosity, in Spain (mostly in the South) words as "maricón" or "hijoputa" are very common and familiar ways to address your friends and relatives.
freenudemacusers
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Are you comparing me to a cultural basis (western without a doubt) of normalcy vs simply accepting my personhood as it is?
The Albatross
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I think you're over-reacting. It's a character in a game who's calling you an offensive name. This is like a character in a movie calling the protagonist an offensive name. When you go to play in a videogame world or watch a movie, you should go in expecting to have characters act like characters.
The GTA series has had NPC characters calling the main character names for ages.
For instance, in the opening sequence of The Ballad of Gay Tony, one of the main characters is an asshole Middle Eastern spoiled rich kid real estate developer type character who refers to women as "bitches," calls the main character (a brown skinned Latino guy from what I remember) "nigga." Other namless NPCs say more offensive things.
The GTA series has had NPC characters calling the main character names for ages.
For instance, in the opening sequence of The Ballad of Gay Tony, one of the main characters is an asshole Middle Eastern spoiled rich kid real estate developer type character who refers to women as "bitches," calls the main character (a brown skinned Latino guy from what I remember) "nigga." Other namless NPCs say more offensive things.
Rushersauce
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Dude... You have fun killing digital people, but God forbid a digital person insulting you.
fadedbones
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Yeah, I knew some Puerto Rican fellas who'd regularly say this instead of "faggot". Completely unnecessary to have in game.
Waylon Drums
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At least one person got it...
QuantumSquid
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I have no problem with this. Dicks exist in real life, so for the purpose of world building it makes sense for them to exist in the game too. If you went through a bad neighborhood in California dressed like a hyper hipster it's possible you might get called a few names.
Acerac
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Do NPCs commonly call PCs fags?
Why do you suppose this is?
Faggot is the go to insult for many Americans.
Why do so few games use it?
Nigger is said more times in Mafia 3 than any Tarantino film. Do you think that's uacceptable too? That's the kind of language white people used/use, should we prentend like they don't/didn't?
People are also assholes who still say homophobic slurs, should we pretend like they don't?
I don't understand. I haven't played WD2 at all so please correct me if I'm wrong.
But aren't you a hacker in the game? Can you not kill people, commit serious crimes, hack people's accounts and cars, and etc?
So all of that is kosher because it's been happening in video games for years but this one word is uncommon in gaming so it's open to being "not ok"?
More_Badass
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Are they following the trend of Mafia 3?
Someone else encountered this
Context: the protagonist in Watch Dogs 2 is black
Someone else encountered this
Context: the protagonist in Watch Dogs 2 is black
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Octavianus
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Can't say I have an issue with fictional characters acting like assholes.
Don't think I"ve heard this particular slur before either, though. Meh.
Don't think I"ve heard this particular slur before either, though. Meh.
Waylon Drums
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For the love of christ, I'm not even saying that it "shouldn't" be in the game. I've just never encountered something like that being said in a game before.
Maricon doesn't mean faggot, it means Sissy. At least that's the usage in mexico. You're more likely to be called maricon by acting like a cry baby than actually being gay.
Sure, some people MIGHT use it to insult gay people, just like some people might call gay people Sissy, but it sure isn't slur tier.
Unless the game portrays doesn't this as something despicable, an act of an asshole, i don't see the problem.
Sure, some people MIGHT use it to insult gay people, just like some people might call gay people Sissy, but it sure isn't slur tier.
Unless the game portrays doesn't this as something despicable, an act of an asshole, i don't see the problem.
Acerac
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I'm just curious why it's not ok to call people a faggot in English but it's cool in other languages. If you want NPCs to be assholes, they should use language that players understand, so the word faggot feels like it'd be more appropriate.
This just comes across as wanting to use the term but being afraid of the backlash.
This just comes across as wanting to use the term but being afraid of the backlash.
Rumblebones
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The game aims to reflect the reality and culture it's based on, both the good and the bad, and if you're old enough to buy the game you should be able to realise that, OP.
I'm curious though, do you feel the same about books, TV shows and films that use deragatory and racist slurs?
I'm curious though, do you feel the same about books, TV shows and films that use deragatory and racist slurs?
That sounds far more ridiculous.
I don't think it is unacceptable in a Tarantino film where the racial context is presented and contested. I don't think most people see a problem with that. I haven't played Mafia III to know if that is the case in that game, but judging from some answers in this very same thread, that also appears to be the case, so I don't think I would personally have a problem with it (although I wouldn't classify anyone being offended by it as someone that is just trying to be offended either).
I do have a problem, however, if a random NPC uses a completely unnecessary and offensive slur associated to a group based on one intrinsic characteristic of the said group, when there are other ways to offend people without denigrating one specific demographic.
Waylon Drums
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If you were really curious, you might have taken the time to read the thread and my responses instead of trying to make the same point that's been made repeatedly.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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No, those use it with a point, or else they're ignored as being trash, which is how games should work if we want it to be art. Unless being called a fag or pussy in another language ties into the plot and progression in a way OP hasn't seen.
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orthodoxy1095
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I'm not sure that "games haven't done this before" is a particularly compelling argument.
Open-world games are always getting more elaborate and layered as each year passes. Adding nasty street talk seems in many ways to just be another layer adding to the creation of a world.
Open-world games are always getting more elaborate and layered as each year passes. Adding nasty street talk seems in many ways to just be another layer adding to the creation of a world.
This is a poor comparison because of the way these mediums focus on characters and worlds. In a movie you're going to be following a precise character along a fairly linear progression. Everything you see will have had a very specific point to it. So the use of "fag" or such would need to be pointed to have any remote artistic merit. Here it's just kind of casually said and seems to be part of creating a nasty or "raw" urban ambiance. There's a big difference between the two.
manueldelalas
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At least in Chile, maricón means faggot and it's used in the exact same way; no other way around it.
If it's not acceptable in english, I see no reason why it should be acceptable in other languages.
If it's not acceptable in english, I see no reason why it should be acceptable in other languages.
Beardz
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Your question is "Am I overreacting?" but you said you are not talking about being offended by it... so I don't know what's your point?
You asked twice and you made a thread, nobody but one person "got it", but I don't know what's your point?
More_Badass
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Isn't San Francisco a very diverse city? Why wouldn't a random NPC speak in another language? My grandparents are Puerto Rican and will switch between Spanish and English mid-conversation.
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UnemployedVillain
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You made 2 posts and a thread about it thought
The area the game takes place is has a large hispanic population. This would be like complaining about the liberal use of the n-word in GTA: SA and the parts of GTA5 where Franklin lived in
Rushersauce
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It's actually used in other ways.
SparkleMotion
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There is "nasty street talk" that can not offend an entire swath if people, especially if its use has no necessary hook to the plot to encourage its use.
Acerac
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The question is about the double standard. Why is calling somebody a faggot only acceptable if a different tongue is used?
What AAA games are calling players faggots?
Fag is used in a variety of ways as well... -_-
Waylon Drums
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It's more like, if Franklin was in a white neighborhood and someone called him a nigger.
So nigger is acceptable to you in the proper racial context but a slur for gay people is not? I think the contextual use of a slur against gay people is correct here. People are still comfortable using slurs against gay people in a nonchalant manner and I think they're trying to convey that.
People are still garbage and people still use slurs for gay people like they're no big deal.
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