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hayejin

Member
Question about Calibre?

I am making a custom book using HTML then uploading it to my Kindle using Calibre.
I need to give same book to someone who has Kindle but not know how to use Calibre.

So can I just copy the uploaded file in my kindle to another person and ask them to put it in their kindle using USB? Will they be able to read it fine?
 

Angst

Member
hayejin said:
Question about Calibre?

I am making a custom book using HTML then uploading it to my Kindle using Calibre.
I need to give same book to someone who has Kindle but not know how to use Calibre.

So can I just copy the uploaded file in my kindle to another person and ask them to put it in their kindle using USB? Will they be able to read it fine?
Yeah, that should work. You can also just convert the book to .mobi and send the file to your friend.
 

AndyD

aka andydumi
As above. Or you can email it to their kindle address. Or send it and they can email it to themselves. No USB connection needed, just wifi/3g.
 

beelzebozo

Jealous Bastard
does anyone have a code for the recent $100 OFF SELECT HDTVs from a special offer kindle? i have a special offer kindle and missed the damn code, but then my tv just broke :(
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
does it matter where I buy audiobooks from? I've bought a couple from amazon.co.uk and they're fine on my kindle, and I can manually import them to itunes - haven't tried on an ipod touch yet.

Can I also buy from within itunes, then copy the files to the kindle? Are the formats and DRM compatible?
 
mrklaw said:
does it matter where I buy audiobooks from? I've bought a couple from amazon.co.uk and they're fine on my kindle, and I can manually import them to itunes - haven't tried on an ipod touch yet.

Can I also buy from within itunes, then copy the files to the kindle? Are the formats and DRM compatible?

Barring DRM you can add them as an MP3. Anything from Amazon is tied to Audible.
 
beelzebozo said:
does anyone have a code for the recent $100 OFF SELECT HDTVs from a special offer kindle? i have a special offer kindle and missed the damn code, but then my tv just broke :(

Yeah, I do. I guess nobody responded to my post above. I'm not sure if my code still works but you can give it a shot, I'll send you a PM.
 
sorry if it was posted earlier, but I remember seeing on the kindle site that they were planning to do a program similar to kindle book lending, but for libraries, some time this year. Is that still happening, is there any news about it, etc. etc.

Edit: nvm, answered my own question. Looking like some time this month, although not totally confirmed yet.
 

Manics

Banned
Ratrat said:
Can ebooks bought on other sites like Kobo, for instance be read on a kindle3?

They can if you know how to remove DRM from the books. After that it's just a matter of converting to mobi which is dead simple.
 

Blackhead

Redarse
Library Ebooks now Available for the Kindle
Nate said:
I found an ongoing discussion over on MobileRead this evening where several Kindle owners are trying (and succeeding) to download ebooks from their libraries. Several have reported seeing Kindle ebooks listed and I have one report of someone actually downloading an ebook to their Kindle.
Nate said:
Neither Amazon nor OverDrive have announced anything, and in fact I'm still waiting to hear back from my contacts at Overdrive. But I do know that Amazon's help pages now refer to the library ebooks as a current feature, and OverDrive already list the Kindle as having beta support. The service is indeed live.

You can see proof of the new support on the website for the King County Library System.


Stumpokapow said:
The easiest way to answer the question is to say that anything can be read on anything if you have a conversion/DRM-removing program. The best one is free: http://calibre-ebook.com/
How good is calibre at keeping the original formatting when converting?
 

AndyD

aka andydumi
beelzebozo said:
i've had mixed luck with e-book to mobi conversion and formatting. maybe someone else can give us tips!

I have had good success, except when there are pictures. By default Calibre removes pictures I think so it can mess up formatting. So on a few I actually had to set the pictures to be kept which fixed the formatting. This is mainly in books that have image headers in chapters and short chapters, and illuminated books as well.

I think if we find a mobi that gives issues, we can all work on it and see if we come up with a fix. There are so many settings in the conversion options for Calibre, I am just starting to scratch the surface.
 

Kammie

Member
AndyD said:
I have had good success, except when there are pictures. By default Calibre removes pictures I think so it can mess up formatting. So on a few I actually had to set the pictures to be kept which fixed the formatting. This is mainly in books that have image headers in chapters and short chapters, and illuminated books as well.

I think if we find a mobi that gives issues, we can all work on it and see if we come up with a fix. There are so many settings in the conversion options for Calibre, I am just starting to scratch the surface.
I think this may be happening because you're leaving the automatic chapter detection on, so sometimes it will start the chapter on whatever is after the image (like a header), leaving the image at the end of the previous chapter.

Some general tips... First of all I always open the EPUB in Sigil to make sure the chapters are already broken up. If not, I will manually hit the "Chapter" button to create one wherever appropriate. Calibre can add the chapter/page breaks by itself, but I prefer not to let it do it since sometimes it may break up things I didn't intend for it to.

While in Sigil I look at the format that the chapter headers have. If it's just something like <h2 class="chapter"> (or whatever is in place of "chapter," so long as it's unique) I leave it. Sometimes the header may be the same for the main header and subheaders, though, which will create bad pagebreaks. So for that I change the name to <h2 class="cchapter"> and just copy the .chapter stuff in the stylesheet and rename it .cchapter (to make sure no formatting is lost). You can use whatever denominator you want, of course.

After that, just go into Calibre to convert. Under Structure Detection I will run the wizard under "Detect Chapters" and in each of the three fields I will put "h2, class, cchapter." On Insert Page Breaks, so it doesn't mess with the formatting that was in Sigil, I put a single slash, which nulls it.

Then go to Table of Contents and select "Force use of auto-generated table of contents." Then go to MOBI Output. If the book already has a TOC, check "Do not add table of contents to book." If it doesn't, just leave it, so that one gets added.

The reason for using the "Force TOC" option is so that Calibre creates the NCX file, which is what the Kindle uses to create those little chapter stops at the bottom, the ones you can navigate with the 5-way button. I personally hate reading on the Kindle without these.

Other things...

If you have only an image as a chapter header, you can in Sigil add a "class=cchapter" (or again, whatever else you're using for the chapters) to its code. And you also need to make sure it has an alt property with proper capitalization, like "alt="Chapter 2"", so that it shows up with a name under the TOC (if you're generating one). So it would look like <img src="xxx.jpg" alt="Chapter 2" class="cchapter">.Then in Calibre, use the Detect Chapter wizard and enter "*, class, cchapter".

Also an easier way to just do this, when you don't want to mess with images and stuff (or if headers are formatted the same as paragraphs, which is a pain in the ass), is to just add <div class="chapter"> at the end of every <body> tag in every chapter on Sigil. Then in Calibre just put "div, class, chapter". The only problem with this is that the NCX list will not have any labels on it. It doesn't matter since you never see it but I don't know if it may cause any problems anywhere in the future or anything. Maybe you can use an alt tag to label it, but I've never bothered to check...

The most important piece of advice I can give: GET SIGIL!!! Otherwise you're fumbling in the dark.

Hope that helps someone. At first Calibre is very counter-intuitive, but once you get the basics down, it's a piece of cake. It took me like three days of trial-and-error to figure it all out. And yeah, the books end up looking the exact same. The HTML on the formatting is always preserved on EPUB > MOBI... the tricky part is getting all the chapter detection stuff right.

Edit: Another thing. To check the end results, instead of plugging the Kindle in each time, just download Amazon's Kindle Previewer app:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1000234621
 
Stumpokapow said:
The easiest way to answer the question is to say that anything can be read on anything if you have a conversion/DRM-removing program. The best one is free: http://calibre-ebook.com/

Keep in mind that Calibre doesn't do the DRM stripping IIRC. I had to use another program to convert a Google Book to mobi. Calibre worked pretty well though with conversion, but it can still be hit or miss.

I have to say I got lucky with the pictures though, but the original format was ePub FWIW.
 

teiresias

Member
I just came into possession of a like-new Kindle 3 and am replacing my Kindle 2 with it. What are people using as cover/cases for the Kindle 3 units? Do people still like the official Amazon one with the built-in light. I never really find myself somewhere where a light is absolutely necessary, but it would be nice on the occasional evening flight I take every now and then (hardly routine).

Just wondering what people's opinion were, thanks guys!
 
teiresias said:
I just came into possession of a like-new Kindle 3 and am replacing my Kindle 2 with it. What are people using as cover/cases for the Kindle 3 units? Do people still like the official Amazon one with the built-in light. I never really find myself somewhere where a light is absolutely necessary, but it would be nice on the occasional evening flight I take every now and then (hardly routine).

Just wondering what people's opinion were, thanks guys!
I love the lighted leather cover. The light's there when you need it and draws power directly from the device, plus the extra bulk makes holding the excessively thin Kindle much more comfortable for extended periods. I consider it an essential purchase.
 

teiresias

Member
Leona Lewis said:
I love the lighted leather cover. The light's there when you need it and draws power directly from the device, plus the extra bulk makes holding the excessively thin Kindle much more comfortable for extended periods. I consider it an essential purchase.

That's cool. I had the official case for my K2 as well, was just wondering about the lighted one. What color do you have. I'm thinking going safe with the traditional black, but like the green or red from the pictures, but not sure whether that's true to life or not. Don't want to be too "girly" :)
 

Agyar

Member
At the risk of asking a question already answered somewhere in the thread, are we still expecting new Kindle models in October or is that limited to the colour tablet model?
 
teiresias said:
That's cool. I had the official case for my K2 as well, was just wondering about the lighted one. What color do you have. I'm thinking going safe with the traditional black, but like the green or red from the pictures, but not sure whether that's true to life or not. Don't want to be too "girly" :)
I have the black one, but my mom has the tan one and my brother has a green one. The leather looks a little cheap with other colors, but with black it's perfect.
 
So I just had an email from Amazon telling me that I got 0.18 euro refunded for a "Export fee reduced" on a Kindle bought a few weeks ago. wtf
 

commish

Jason Kidd murdered my dog in cold blood!
Agyar said:
At the risk of asking a question already answered somewhere in the thread, are we still expecting new Kindle models in October or is that limited to the colour tablet model?

Not really in October, just sometime this fall.
 

3N16MA

Banned
Kobo Touch is $100 at Borders. Not sure if it has already been mentioned and I know this is a Kindle thread but just throwing it out there.
 
I'm on page 100 of a 400 page book, and yet the kindle claims I'm only 11% done with the book. I'm thinking the whole page numbers thing isn't fully worked out yet.
 

hermit7

Member
Quick question. What is the main difference between the regular and special offers. I can get 3g for the same price as the wifi version.
 

djm

Member
The Kindles with special offers show an ad when you have it turned off, and an ad on the menu screens. Nothing when you are reading a book.

I don't have one (or a Kindle for that matter) but everything I've read from people who have one say it's spectacular, and have actually gotten some good deals from the offers.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
how does library lending work? You just log in and download from the overdrive powered e-library, but then just manually copy it across to the kindle? Doesn't the kindle need any kind of firmware update to support timed availability?

And can you renew loans online?
 

AndyD

aka andydumi
djm said:
The Kindles with special offers show an ad when you have it turned off, and an ad on the menu screens. Nothing when you are reading a book.

I don't have one (or a Kindle for that matter) but everything I've read from people who have one say it's spectacular, and have actually gotten some good deals from the offers.

They are excellent deals. For example one of the better ones in August: 20% select laptops, including a number of macbooks and macbook air laptops. People saved hundreds on back to school laptops.

And the images are fantastic, better than the stock pictures. Lots of travel destinations. My wife has a non ad K3 and she always likes my ever new pictures better.
 

Manics

Banned
Surprised the library lending feature didn't require a Kindle firmware update. I guess Overdrive just added amazon format ebooks to the libraries?

When is Canadian support coming?
 
perryfarrell said:
Why do people go through all this trouble to get books on their Kindle they can easily get from Amazon with just one click? This always baffles me.
There are tons of books still unavailable on the Kindle store.

What irritates me greatly is when the UK Kindle store does have a book I'm looking for but not the US one... SMH
 

Kammie

Member
perryfarrell said:
Why do people go through all this trouble to get books on their Kindle they can easily get from Amazon with just one click? This always baffles me.
Maybe they don't want to spend 10 bucks to repurchase something they bought elsewhere, they're converting something from the public domain (a bunch of books on the Gutenberg Project look fine as EPUBs but are riddled with formatting errors as MOBIs), or maybe the Kindle books just have shitty formatting to begin with and you want to go in and change something like the line margins. Once you learn the process the conversion takes just a few minutes.
 
Kammie said:
Maybe they don't want to spend 10 bucks to repurchase something they bought elsewhere, they're converting something from the public domain (a bunch of books on the Gutenberg Project look fine as EPUBs but are riddled with formatting errors as MOBIs), or maybe the Kindle books just have shitty formatting to begin with and you want to go in and change something like the line margins. Once you learn the process the conversion takes just a few minutes.
That's my reason. Every public domain book I've downloaded from Amazon is right justified. No English language books are right justified (made-up fact), which leads me to believe whoever is converting PD books for amazon is fucking them up on purpose. I cannot read a book with a ragged left edge, or won't.
 

Manics

Banned
HiroProtagonist said:
That's my reason. Every public domain book I've downloaded from Amazon is right justified. No English language books are right justified (made-up fact), which leads me to believe whoever is converting PD books for amazon is fucking them up on purpose. I cannot read a book with a ragged left edge, or won't.


Some of the formatting i've seen in books really bothers me considering i've self-educated myself using Sigil on how to edit ePubs (and then convert to mobi) I'm able to fix up crappy looking formatting fairly quickly, so why can't the damn publishers do it right the first time?
 
Manics said:
Some of the formatting i've seen in books really bothers me considering i've self-educated myself using Sigil on how to edit ePubs (and then convert to mobi) I'm able to fix up crappy looking formatting fairly quickly, so why can't the damn publishers do it right the first time?
I'm guessing its a combo of lazy and not wanting ebooks to succeed.

giga said:
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http://allthingsd.com/20110923/amazon-announces-special-event-tablet-on-tap/

That is from giga in the Amazon Tablet thread. If we are getting a new eink Kindle this year there is a 98.9898 percent chance it will be announced at this conference.
 

AndyD

aka andydumi
Meier said:
So apparently the Austin Public Library is doing Kindle rentals now, WOOHOO! :)

Any library connected to the Overdrive network is doing it, as Overdrive is doing it. I got two books last night from Nashville public. Very easy, very cool. There are currently near 8000 books on Overdrive available in Kindle format to loan.

The only drawback is that I have not figured out a way to see when my book expires on the Kindle itself.
 

Meier

Member
AndyD said:
Any library connected to the Overdrive network is doing it, as Overdrive is doing it. I got two books last night from Nashville public. Very easy, very cool. There are currently near 8000 books on Overdrive available in Kindle format to loan.

The only drawback is that I have not figured out a way to see when my book expires on the Kindle itself.
Yeah, I know other places have had it available but it finally became available today here. Only 2,655 books thus far.. nothing from Douglas Coupland and no A Thousand Splendid Suns, sadly.
 

AndyD

aka andydumi
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
So how does the library book thing work? Do you download to your computer and then transfer to the kindle or can you do it on your kindle?
Cant do it from the kindle. You log onto the library website, select a book, check out, then it opens the amazon web page where you send it straight to the kindle. Only works over wifi, not 3G.

No file to download and transfer, it sends it directly. Although if you want you can download the azw file to the computer from the amazon page and load it manually, instead of sending directly.
 
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