AMD: Both XSX and PS5 RDNA2 based and have Hardware RT

Out of curiosity. Did anyone ever managed to figure out which press briefing the article is referring to? I don't trust anything on the internet right now, especially not with regards to consoles, and a rather short article from a (very) unknown indian tech-site doesn't really paint a picture of trustworthyness.
 
Agnostic2020 said:
RDNA2 and RT for both next gen consoles, said AMD dude on january, they claim. I hope this "ps5 will not have rt / rdna2" nonsense ends

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AMD AS A COMPANY…STRONGLY BELIEVES IN THE VALUE AND CAPABILITY OF RAYTRACING. RDNA 2, THE NEXT-GEN, WILL SUPPORT RAYTRACING. BOTH THE NEXT-GEN XBOX AND PLAYSTATION WILL SUPPORT HARDWARE RAYTRACING WITH RADEON NATIVELY. WE WILL BE SURE TO HAVE THE CONTENT THAT GAMERS CAN ACTUALLY USE TO RUN ON THOSE GPUS
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Ok, first of all, let me start by saying that I don't know if the PS5 will or will not have RDNA 2.0, but this hardly confirms it.

Let's practice some reading comprehension.

AMD as a company strongly belives in the value and capability of Raytracing

Cool

They also believe in RDNA 2

Cool

Next gen will support Raytracing.

Cool

New sentence: Both the next-gen Xbox and PlayStation will support hardware Raytracing with Radeon natively.

Cool.

We can still say that only Xbox Series X will support RDNA 2.0
 
TBiddy said:
Out of curiosity. Did anyone ever managed to figure out which press briefing the article is referring to? I don't trust anything on the internet right now, especially not with regards to consoles, and a rather short article from a (very) unknown indian tech-site doesn't really paint a picture of trustworthyness.
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This is the only AMD press briefing that took place in January:



Here is an article about that briefing:

www.pcgamesn.com

Like Ryzen, AMD's Big Navi is "going to similarly disrupt 4K" gaming

"All of us need a thriving Radeon GPU ecosystem. So, are we going after 4K, and going to similarly disrupt 4K? Absolutely."
www.pcgamesn.com www.pcgamesn.com

You will find that OP's source just took pieces and turned them into something else. The true article from that event focuses on Chandrasekhar saying that 4K is not relevant yet in PC gaming and they will focus on that when adoption is higher. OP's source writes something comparable, that raytracing adoption is not there yet, so AMD doesn't see the need to support it yet (which if you think about it is complete BS, because 4K adoption on PC is slow because there are barely any displays, while raytracing adoption is slow because there aren't enough cards that have it, so only AMD could increase adoption).

"With the Radeon 5000-series we are essentially covering 90-something-percent of the total PC gamers today," says Chandrasekhar. "And so that's the reason why no 4K right now, it's because the vast majority of them are at 1440p and 1080p.

If he had said anything about raytracing at the same event, you bet at least one more outlet would have picked up on it. I can give you one more:

"Just like in Ryzen, we need an improved market in Radeon. Will we provide 4K support in this series? You can absolutely count on that. But that's all I can say now. "

www.somagnews.com

AMD Plans To Follow Nvidia After Its Throne ⋆ Somag News

AMD plans to shake the 4K sector just like the Ryzen success with the Big Navi graphics card. The video card, which will be released in 2020, will be much
www.somagnews.com www.somagnews.com

Same event. If he can't even go into detail about the 4K plans for Big Navi, you bet he didn't talk about its raytracing design.
 
TBiddy said:
Out of curiosity. Did anyone ever managed to figure out which press briefing the article is referring to? I don't trust anything on the internet right now, especially not with regards to consoles, and a rather short article from a (very) unknown indian tech-site doesn't really paint a picture of trustworthyness.
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If an unknown blog run by someone with 150 Twitter followers tells people what they want to hear, they'll believe it and make threads about it even if it's BS.
 
I'm a pessimistic guy, at this point i just wait an official sony tweet with the real specs.

Don't cheapen up sony for the love of cthulhu.
 
darkinstinct said:
We live in a reality where a 1080p image with DLSS upscaled to 4K can look better than a native 4K image. In console terms: A 3 TF RDNA2 console that uses something similar to DLSS (like Microsofts DirectML) can achieve a better result than a 12 TF XSX that just creates a native 4K image (just an example, we don't know yet if there will be some machine learning cores in XSX). So a 9 TF PS5 that uses machine learning upscaling will for all we know look better than a 12 TF XSX that does not. It's not just about TF anymore. It tells you nothing about the actual power differences.
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Just for curiosity, what game on pc is better in 4k dlss than native 4k??
How can a reconstruction technique being better than native resolution??

Also if you can have a better image with less teraflop using a dlss techinque, why is microsoft so stupid to create a 12tf machine that is gonna cost at least 500-600 (keeping away a shitload of people)?!

I don't know, it all sound like wishfull thinking...
 
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SenjutsuSage said:
Yep, this is looking mighty bogus. It looks like the author just flat out made up a quote. How did the entire tech world following this information miss this piece of info?



Definitely appears made up.




Nope, we are just over here as far away from the ledge as possible. You guys keep leaning further and further over to get a look at the pointy rocks down below. Let's just wait for Sony. :)
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Those aren't rocks...
 
As for people who have been disftediting me, I would really advise that some of you guys should be more Fair with making judgements.

People like to turn a "leaked" info as an exclusive of any certain insider they want to give support for whatever reason.

Along with my brother Tommy Fisher Tommy Fisher , I too told You many times that Xbox Series X was indeed 12tf and rdna2.0 long before official conformition from MS themselves. But you can take that as a mete "guess" of mine
 
Its pretty clear that we don't know for sure if it will have RDNA 2. But its probably still safe to assume it will. These consoles are either gonna offer two options each or they are gonna be really close in terms of power. They know what each other are building for the most part.
 
wolffy71 said:
Its pretty clear that we don't know for sure if it will have RDNA 2. But its probably still safe to assume it will. These consoles are either gonna offer two options each or they are gonna be really close in terms of power. They know what each other are building for the most part.
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then... why is Sony so quiet? Why don't they crush the rumors that the PS5 is a weak console? Why all the silence? It's MARCH. Not february anymore.
Sony won't be at E3.
 
I might be remembering this wrong, but didn't Cerny say Sony was doing their own custom hardware ray-tracing? Doesn't that contradict what AMD is saying in the statement below?

BOTH THE NEXT-GEN XBOX AND PLAYSTATION WILL SUPPORT HARDWARE RAYTRACING WITH RADEON NATIVELY.

Edit: Disregard this comment - Cerny apparently never said there was custom hardware RT for the PS5
 
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CatLady said:
I might be remembering this wrong, but didn't Cerny say Sony was doing their own custom hardware ray-tracing? Doesn't that contradict what AMD is saying in the statement below?

BOTH THE NEXT-GEN XBOX AND PLAYSTATION WILL SUPPORT HARDWARE RAYTRACING WITH RADEON NATIVELY.
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where did he say that?
 
Panaphonics said:
then... why is Sony so quiet? Why don't they crush the rumors that the PS5 is a weak console? Why all the silence? It's MARCH. Not february anymore.
Sony won't be at E3.
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That idk the answer to but even if they release info they will play up strengths and ignore weaknesses. in other words they wouldn't stay quiet just over being underpowered. Maybe they are just waiting til they feel its the right time. If they let rumors run wild and then come out and prove everyone wrong they would get even more press than usual, idk maybe that's the plan.
 
CatLady said:
I might be remembering this wrong, but didn't Cerny say Sony was doing their own custom hardware ray-tracing? Doesn't that contradict what AMD is saying in the statement below?

BOTH THE NEXT-GEN XBOX AND PLAYSTATION WILL SUPPORT HARDWARE RAYTRACING WITH RADEON NATIVELY.
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I do not think he said anything about their own custom solution for it, just people speculating with the "Cell" tales, etc..

He just said it will have it. They both use the same vendor, so grounded logic would be that they have access to the same AMD tech roadmaps.
 
GymWolf said:
Just for curiosity, what game on pc is better in 4k dlss than native 4k??
How can a reconstruction technique being better than native resolution??
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Wolfenstein manages to really make far detail shine, where in native resolution it already breaks down into individual pixels. DLSS knows how to preserve the detail.
 
DeepEnigma said:
I do not think he said anything about their own custom solution for it, just people speculating with the "Cell" tales, etc..

He just said it will have it. They both use the same vendor, so grounded logic would be that they have access to the same AMD tech roadmaps.
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I believe you are correct.

I never read either article before, I just kept seeing how PS5 had better RT due to "secret sauce" in the hardwre RT. Finally read the articles and this was all I could find with custom and RT in the same paragraph:

"The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon's Navi family, will support ray tracing, a technique that models the travel of light to simulate complex interactions in 3D environments."

Oops, apparently there is NO custom secret sauce in the PS5 HW RT. :messenger_beaming:
Disregard my previous incorrect comment
 
CatLady said:
I believe you are correct.

I never read either article before, I just kept seeing how PS5 had better RT due to "secret sauce" in the hardwre RT. Finally read the articles and this was all I could find with custom and RT in the same paragraph:

"The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon's Navi family, will support ray tracing, a technique that models the travel of light to simulate complex interactions in 3D environments."

Oops, apparently there is NO custom secret sauce in the PS5 HW RT. :messenger_beaming:
Disregard my previous incorrect comment
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They will both be adding their own custom modifications to exploit what they want in various ways. But I still feel the parts will be based on AMD roadmaps at their base.
 
Ironbunny said:
Thats not native 4k. Its 1080p upscaled to 4k with native upscaling. Original native 4k is better.
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No it's not. AI upscaled 1080p in W:YB looks on par if not just a tiny bit better than native 4K, while 1200/1400p greatly surpassing it. There are multiple independent tests and comparisons out there, so either it's a one gigantig conspiracy and everybody lies, and You can blame TAA sure, but without it the difference would be even greater in favor of DLSS, because no AA = jaggies (and what's even worse - shimmering), no matter the resolution. And all the other post-processing AA methods blur the image as well, that's just how they are designed to work, some more, some less, but they always do.

AI image upscaling is the new thing, it's slowly but surely getting more and more attention in various industries, the articles and videos are all out there, smartphones will be the first popular consumer devices that will be flood with this technology, because it's profits advantage is simply unquestionable.
 
will PS5 and XsX take a performance hit if they were to implement RT? So a game would run at 4k 30fps with RT on, but will run 4k 60 fps with RT off.
 
Kazekage1981 said:
will PS5 and XsX take a performance hit if they were to implement RT? So a game would run at 4k 30fps with RT on, but will run 4k 60 fps with RT off.
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That is pretty obvious.
You want to increase graphic quality without take performance hit?
 
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grfunkulus said:
Because we all know it's true?....MS revised their earning predictions down because of, well, everyone fucking knows.

You think Sony, who is much more dependent on Playstation for profits and who is the one who publicly admitted to component pricing being a huge concern in if they're able to hit the target they wanted, is suddenly going to be able to hit 12TF +?

Especially when they're clearly, if not rightfully, erring toward cautiousness in going close to or above the $500 price point. Console gaming is about being on the affordable end of PC performance while hitting acceptable quality standards.

I'll eat humble pie if true but there's no evidence to suggest Sony is willing or able to take the kind of hit MS is on the hardware front. Nor is there any evidence they have some kind of magic bullet or engineering chops to suddenly make up for it.
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What hit? MS can take a hit and Sony can't? Which console do you think people are willing to spend more money for? an XBOX or PlayStation? People use to buy PRO for more money as opposed to XBONEX which had more power when it was on sale for less.....

This is isn't just about power, as I said , people are willing to buy what they deem to be good value and Sony has never disappointed their gamers/customers with high quality games in any generation.....That's why people will be willing to play more for PS5, especially if the kit is powerful enough to make games running in the year of PS6's release even more impressive graphically....We all know Sony will support PS5 from day one till PS6 arrives with exclusives galore....Just look at every PlayStation generation....


Also, in 2013, Sony delivered a more powerful console at $100.00 less...….People were willing to buy PRO at $400 when a $500 XBONEX had to be discounted below PRO's $399 and people still chose PRO.....Think about that for a second...
 
thelastword said:
What hit? MS can take a hit and Sony can't? Which console do you think people are willing to spend more money for? an XBOX or PlayStation? People use to buy PRO for more money as opposed to XBONEX which had more power when it was on sale for less.....

This is isn't just about power, as I said , people are willing to buy what they deem to be good value and Sony has never disappointed their gamers/customers with high quality games in any generation.....That's why people will be willing to play more for PS5, especially if the kit is powerful enough to make games running in the year of PS6's release even more impressive graphically....We all know Sony will support PS5 from day one till PS6 arrives with exclusives galore....Just look at every PlayStation generation....


Also, in 2013, Sony delivered a more powerful console at $100.00 less...….People were willing to buy PRO at $400 when a $500 XBONEX had to be discounted below PRO's $399 and people still chose PRO.....Think about that for a second...
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Yes, MS can afford to take more of a financial hit per console than can Sony. What part of that is rocket science? There's absolutely no way Sony isn't sweating about the 12TF Xbox if MS is willing and able to hit $500 with it.

All of that other bullshit is irrelevant. My response was to your contention that people shouldn't be filling in the blanks until Sony comes out with something official. They absolutely should because we've been presented little evidence to the contrary. Unless Sony is just tone deaf as fuck and has such horrible PR as to let Phil's post going unresponded to, they're worried. MS already announced they wouldn't be beat on performance this gen. They don't want a repeat of last gen and Sony's counter message up to this point has been the PS5 will be revoluntiorary...just not in the ways you're thinking (i.e "total" removal of load times).

Sony's exclusives will obviously play a huge factor. But not so much at launch. If we're talking launch lineups, it's easily arguable from what we know that Halo Infinite on the most powerful console around will be the biggest announced draw.

These aren't the days of the Playstation/N64 and PS2/Gamecube/OG Xbox. Launch lineups are predominantly 3rd party and predominantly up-ports.

It's about hardware and the experience of selling yours as the superior kit. MS is better positioned to do this and have shown a greater commitment to doing so. Publicly, Sony has been much more reticent to going balls to the wall to have the most powerful console, loss per unit be damned.

We'll see who's right on this particular point soon enough. I'll save your posts for a good laugh later.
 
Is it just me or the quote doesn't at all confirm that both PS5 and XSX are RDNA2? It just says that RDNA2 and next gen consoles will support Ray-Tracing, so technically while MS has confirmed the XSX is RDNA2, this quote from AMD doesn't at all yet confirm that PS5 is RDNA2. Could be a custom RDNA with RT for all we know.
 
imnotkleenex said:
Is it just me or the quote doesn't at all confirm that both PS5 and XSX are RDNA2? It just says that RDNA2 and next gen consoles will support Ray-Tracing, so technically while MS has confirmed the XSX is RDNA2, this quote from AMD doesn't at all yet confirm that PS5 is RDNA2. Could be a custom RDNA with RT for all we know.
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Correct. We are all just kinda making an educated guess that they will both have it. Rightly so i think
 
imnotkleenex said:
Is it just me or the quote doesn't at all confirm that both PS5 and XSX are RDNA2? It just says that RDNA2 and next gen consoles will support Ray-Tracing, so technically while MS has confirmed the XSX is RDNA2, this quote from AMD doesn't at all yet confirm that PS5 is RDNA2. Could be a custom RDNA with RT for all we know.
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Your right, and it's most likely (bolt on) Rdna 1.5 , and not 2.0. Sony will not use MS DXR.
 
imnotkleenex said:
Is it just me or the quote doesn't at all confirm that both PS5 and XSX are RDNA2? It just says that RDNA2 and next gen consoles will support Ray-Tracing, so technically while MS has confirmed the XSX is RDNA2, this quote from AMD doesn't at all yet confirm that PS5 is RDNA2. Could be a custom RDNA with RT for all we know.
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Some of you guys are sad. Like really man?
 
DynamiteCop! said:
What's sad is what he's saying is totally accurate, everyone knows it is but they're still running with an assumption in place of fact as a fact.
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Agreed. Sony revealing the PS5 last week at 9.2 TF, RDNA 1.5, and software accelerated ray tracing probably shocked everyone.
 
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Chairman Tickles said:
Membah when xbox one x beat the ps4 pro and switch coz it was more powerful on paper?

Membah when ps3 beat the wii and xbox360 coz it was more powerful on paper?

Membah when the vita beat the 3ds coz it was more powerful on paper?

Membah when the psp beat the DS coz it was more powerful on paper?

Membah when the xbox beat the ps2 coz it was more powerful on paper?

Membah when the n64 beat the ps1 coz it was more powerful on paper?

Membah when the 3DO beat the sega mega drive and snes coz it was more powerful on paper?

Membah when the game gear beat the gameboy coz it was more powerful on paper?

Membah when the sega master system beat the nes coz it was more powerful on paper?

Membah when the Amiga 500 beat all other pc's coz it was much more powerful on paper?

ME NEITHER. NO MEMBAH.
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I think amd guy has a bad english. I no understand what he want to mean here. Why no just say ps5 and xsx uses rdna2.0 for both.

Simple and good english to understanding instead of this mess.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Some of you guys are sad. Like really man?
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Read replies above mine, I'm not the only one thinking this way. I'd say the sad ones are actually the ones trying to make it sound like PS5 is RDNA2. It most likely will be, but to be so desperate as to take a quote out of context to justify it and create a thread about it, that's really sad!
 
ZywyPL said:
No it's not. AI upscaled 1080p in W:YB looks on par if not just a tiny bit better than native 4K, while 1200/1400p greatly surpassing it.
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Well i'm talking about the quoted youtube video. In that it was the 1080p upscaled in which native 4k will look better. Havent seen comparison where a upscaled quality wins over native resolution.
 
Journey said:
Ok, first of all, let me start by saying that I don't know if the PS5 will or will not have RDNA 2.0, but this hardly confirms it.

Let's practice some reading comprehension.

AMD as a company strongly belives in the value and capability of Raytracing

Cool

They also believe in RDNA 2

Cool

Next gen will support Raytracing.

Cool

New sentence: Both the next-gen Xbox and PlayStation will support hardware Raytracing with Radeon natively.

Cool.

We can still say that only Xbox Series X will support RDNA 2.0
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Splitting hairs here but you kinda have a point if you read closely. It says both will have Raytracing...not RDNA 2.0...interesting.

Fuck it, I give up, Sony just needs to say something already. Tired of guessing.

I will say that I'm starting to doubt the whole $450 cost of production for the PS5. Reason being that the XSX, with the specs it's touted so far seems to be well beyond $450. If Sony's behind in power, I doubt it'll be by that much. Something fishy about the price. I'm starting to lean towards XSX costing $549-$599 and eating a loss on each console sold. Sony would be waiting for Microsoft to say something about price first regardless. I wonder what kinda cost cutting measure other than buying wholesale Microsoft has up their sleeve. The machine sounds like a monster....$499 would be a blessing, but I'm putting a bit more to the side just in case.
 
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Panaphonics said:
then... why is Sony so quiet? Why don't they crush the rumors that the PS5 is a weak console? Why all the silence? It's MARCH. Not february anymore.
Sony won't be at E3.
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Why would they?

They have everything going for them, despite MS doing all the talking lately.
It's almost like some are so caught up in MS supposed momentum with XSX, that they completely ignore that Sony is going to release 3 serious GOTY contenders, possibly GOTG contenders, with TLOU 2, FF VII Remake and Ghost of Tsushima.
And all they have to do to kill XSX hype is show off one or 2 first party PS5 exclusives.

Sony has absolutely nothing to worry about. Maybe that's why they're so quiet, they don't need to stay relevant, they already are.
 
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Psykodad said:
Why would they?

They have everything going for them, despite MS doing all the talking lately.
It's almost like some are so caught up in MS supposed momentum with XSX, that they completely ignore that Sony is going to release 3 serious GOTY contenders, possibly GOTG contenders, with TLOU 2, FF VII Remake and Ghost of Tsushima.
And all they have to do to kill XSX hype is show off one or 2 first party PS5 exclusives.

Sony has absolutely nothing to worry about. Maybe that's why they're so quiet, they don't need to stay relevant, they already are.
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lol lets say your hypothesis is correct (which it isn't) then.... why did they start talking about nextgen in October 2019? Why did they reveal the logo? And then suddenly - after the github leak - NOTHING? (Specswise)
Why did they started talking about nextgen? If current matters so much, why didn't they start AFTER all Those games have been released?
Could it maybe be that the PS5 is INDEED only 9 TF with RDNA 1.0 and a few custom features vs Xbox series X 12 TF RDNA 2.0? Obviously then they wouldn't want to talk about PS5 because then this would make their console very weak, especially compared to Xbox series X
 
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