CadetMahoney
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pretty much.
AMD Radeon Fury X Series | HBM, Small Form Factor And Water Cooling | June 16th
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pretty much.
amstradcpc
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And costing less, is kinda fucked if it´s 300+ watts (isn´t AMD 290x already near 300?) compared to 250 for similar performance. It is like "Maxwell 2"="Sandy Bridge" and "GCN 1-1.3"="Bulldozer".
opticalmace
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I don't think most people will care if it's within 50 watts. 100W I would start to take notice tho...
amstradcpc
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If no major improvements in efficiency over Hawaii it will be much more than 300.
General Lee
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It would be really disappointing if AMD had done absolutely jack all to improve their core besides switching the memory controller. At the very least compared to 290X they'll get the delta color compression, and probably will drop the fp32/64 ratio too if they go with a similar approach as Tonga. It seems to me like people expect zero advancements from AMD outside HBM, which seems kind of silly. I'd like to think they've been doing something besides just sitting on their assess since the Tahiti release in 2011.
The card is 8+8 pin that's for sure and if they can't compete with the 980 Ti with a +500 mm^2 water cooled chip with far more bandwidth, they really are screwed.
The card is 8+8 pin that's for sure and if they can't compete with the 980 Ti with a +500 mm^2 water cooled chip with far more bandwidth, they really are screwed.
cleveridea
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Wow if the Fury X really isnt as fast as a 980 Ti enjoy paying $1000 and $650 for the best single GPU cards until high end pascals. Of course if nVidia remain the leaders. there is no rush for this.
Also, if true, nVidia could have priced Ti slightly higher.
Also, if true, nVidia could have priced Ti slightly higher.
cleveridea
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Is this normal so close to launch though? I mean arent these coming in a few weeks?
Everything has pointed to an August release for the Fury X. The 390X I think is coming first.
And yes, that is very very normal. Engineering samples are generally much slower, especially when you're talking about a card they're trying to squeeze every bit of clockspeed out of with a AIO water cooler on it.
Drivers have a huge impact on performance, just look at the notes from driver releases for specific game performance increases. You can have 20% or more in some situations.
Which is really bad if true. How can AMD expect to launch a line that's top to bottom weaker than Nvidia's until their Flagship card ships 2 months later? And even then, their flagship card's performance/price ratio might be questionable.
Journey
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Sounds like R9 Fury X will be competiting with Titan X but at $180 cheaper.
Radeon R9 Fury will likely be the answer to 980 Ti, but cheaper as well.
Looking at the other side of the coin, if Fury X beats/matches Titan X and R9 Fury beats/matches 980Ti while both priced lower than nVidia's counterpart, then things will be looking up for AMD, way up. $200 difference is pretty substantial if you're getting around the same performance, or more so if AMD's performance is better.
Coulomb_Barrier
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May I proffer that the $850 price leak was/is for the 8GB HBM Fury card that is out in apparently August.
And that the 4GB HBM Fury card out this month will be price competitive with the 980 Ti, or probably slightly cheaper?
Also, looking at the full line of cards being unveiled this month and not the Fury flagships, I bet that 390 is going to offer some serious bang-for-buck.
And that the 4GB HBM Fury card out this month will be price competitive with the 980 Ti, or probably slightly cheaper?
Also, looking at the full line of cards being unveiled this month and not the Fury flagships, I bet that 390 is going to offer some serious bang-for-buck.
This. Waiting is hard.
This would be nice. I just hope the Fury and Fury X will actually be available to buy before August.
Coulomb_Barrier
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The 8GB Fury is going to be monstrous if the 4GB is around 980 Ti performance. I fully expect it to be the fastest single GPU on the market if it releases in August.
Question is, how long will it remain uncontested? Aren't the next Nvidia cards Pascal in 2016? Also, that dual GPU 8GB x2 Fury card is going to be ludicrous. That will probably be out this year too.
Question is, how long will it remain uncontested? Aren't the next Nvidia cards Pascal in 2016? Also, that dual GPU 8GB x2 Fury card is going to be ludicrous. That will probably be out this year too.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Wait why are we saying fury in August?
Dictator93
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Since when is an 8GB Fury a sure thing? Also, why would it be faster?
General Lee
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The only thing we really know is they'll release a card with Fiji this month, most likely around e3, and it does seem like it'll be a 4 GB card. The rest is rampant speculation, especially prices and any kind of talk of dual GPU cards.
AMD has already stated that 4GB isn't a problem for them, but people seem to ignore it.
AMD has already stated that 4GB isn't a problem for them, but people seem to ignore it.
http://arstechnica.com/information-...hbm-why-amds-high-bandwidth-memory-matters/2/
Current theory is that the Fury X (8GB) is august. The regular fury (4GB) is after anouncement.
http://i.imgur.com/Ac90NZk.jpg
Fiji being held on stage at Computex. Die looks massive, possibly > 600mm.
Fiji being held on stage at Computex. Die looks massive, possibly > 600mm.
Smutpeddler
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Pic not there
Edit, now it is dammit
EmptySpace
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we are two weeks away and there's barely anything.
why do gpu manufacturers do this. yeah yeah they wanna squeeze out that profit until gpu actually releases but it messes up with how i want to plan out my spending.
If they can get 250W with such a huge die, the efficiency could be unmatched.
That's hopeful, but they *would* say that, wouldn't they? And won't a lot be up to the developers?
Shining Sunshine
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So I wonder how much it will cost me with a build with this card and Skylake.
Sure. It could be preemptive damage control or it might not; maybe even a mix.
Guys over at Anandtech are guesstimating a die size of 600+ mm2.
To put this in perspective Hawaii is around 450 mm2 and competes with Big Kepler at around 550mm2.
Now we have AMD launching something close in size to the GM200 or perhaps even larger, I think they have a shot at the crown this time around.
To put this in perspective Hawaii is around 450 mm2 and competes with Big Kepler at around 550mm2.
Now we have AMD launching something close in size to the GM200 or perhaps even larger, I think they have a shot at the crown this time around.
What's your reasoning for waiting for skylake? Is it hyped to be that much more powerful than a i7 5820k? I'm building my first gaming PC soon and plan on building it around a i7 5820k and Fiji.
Geez. I thought that Big Maxwell was 600mm2 and fiji was 550mm2?
That is crazy. Typically AMD dies have much more performance per mm2 than Nvidia dies.
Edit: this comparison puts it within the initial leaks: http://videocardz.com/55561/editorial-how-big-is-fiji
FF Seraphim
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Skylake is coming very soon after Broadwell, so we're looking at two jumps in architecture in a very short period of time, meaning the gains should hopefully be more impactful.
It will be more powerful than a 5820k per core, but we're still just looking at 4 core CPU's for the standard range, so which is better overall will depend on the application. There's good reason to believe that 6 core CPU's could become more advantageous with DX12/Vulkan, though. We'll see.
Wag
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Games like Mordor already require 6GB Vram for enhanced textures. Not sure how they're going to manage that in 4k with only 4GB, even with HBM.
justgames7604
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Not sure if posted:
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opticalmace
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Might be the first pack-in game I actually care about.
I hope the game(s) that come with the new 300 series is more then just Dirt Rally.
jfoul
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Posted?
http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/20608-radeon-fiji-i-nedskalat-utforande-drojer
quick google translate below:
"Behind closed doors at Computex, the editorial board has also got the opportunity to look at the board for the upcoming flagship. Indeed, this is a model of 17 centimeters and the data on closed water cooling is enhanced by dual contacts in bottom - one for the fan and pump.
In the right wing include two 8-pin PCI Express, which together with the card's connection to the motherboard means a maximum power consumption of 375 W according to ATX standard. In other words, it's about potentially high heat dissipation in a small area, which explains the need for closed water cooling.
This may also explain why partner manufacturers may sell the Radeon "Fiji XT" with their hands tied. The graphics card will namely only be found in the reference design for the foreseeable future, meaning that partners must neither develop custom circuit boards or customize their own cooling solutions."
http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/20608-radeon-fiji-i-nedskalat-utforande-drojer
quick google translate below:
"Behind closed doors at Computex, the editorial board has also got the opportunity to look at the board for the upcoming flagship. Indeed, this is a model of 17 centimeters and the data on closed water cooling is enhanced by dual contacts in bottom - one for the fan and pump.
In the right wing include two 8-pin PCI Express, which together with the card's connection to the motherboard means a maximum power consumption of 375 W according to ATX standard. In other words, it's about potentially high heat dissipation in a small area, which explains the need for closed water cooling.
This may also explain why partner manufacturers may sell the Radeon "Fiji XT" with their hands tied. The graphics card will namely only be found in the reference design for the foreseeable future, meaning that partners must neither develop custom circuit boards or customize their own cooling solutions."
Coulomb_Barrier
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Surely 4GB at higher resolutions is going to be a bottleneck, no?
Shining Sunshine
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Broadwell was just a refresh.
Skylake is the real upgrade from the current Intel processor as far as I know.
If you can get the data faster in and out, wouldn't that help?
Tech-noob asking here.
Actually, it does help! See every jump from one memory architecture to another.
SmoothBrain
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According to a post on the german website Computerbase.de to the AMD Fiji reveal, smaller AMD partners are frustrated and the general mood is rather low, because they take so much time. They also mention the Hardwareluxx news and say that a lot of informations are inaccurate.
I guess we have to wait for some benchmarks.
I guess we have to wait for some benchmarks.
RenegadeXV8
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It's only 17cm in length? Holy fuck that's short. 2016 is going to be interesting once both companies are on HBM2.
For comparison, the 980 Ti is 26cm and the reference 290x is 28cm.
For comparison, the 980 Ti is 26cm and the reference 290x is 28cm.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Yeah but I am sure there will be scenarios where 4GB will be a limit. Like at 1440p and 4k mostly. My post was in response to someone who asked how the 8GB version of the Fury card will be faster than the 4GB ones. The memory amount was one reason why it should be faster.
FF Seraphim
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Seems that the only place that has info about the 8GB Fury is some German site which appears to get their information off a Chinese PC Forum... so I am not sure how much I can trust that information.