Coulomb_Barrier
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Yeah well, it is all rumours. If AMD don't get an 8GB HBM card out this year, they are screwed.
AMD Radeon Fury X Series | HBM, Small Form Factor And Water Cooling | June 16th
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Yeah well, it is all rumours. If AMD don't get an 8GB HBM card out this year, they are screwed.
FF Seraphim
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If they release their cards and do not have a price to performance that rivals the 980 Ti they are screwed even more
dgrdsv
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Well, it's a dual Fiji board with prices above that of Titan X so it better be faster!
General Lee
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Yes let's not forget that you're unable to play COD unless you have a Titan X.
Honestly, just because you see a card allocate more than 4 GB memory, it doesn't necessarily mean it needs it. It'll just cache it like Windows caches RAM. If AMD really has managed to optimize the frame buffer utilization, 4GB might be the sensible option considering it'll lower costs compared to 8GB.
Honestly, just because you see a card allocate more than 4 GB memory, it doesn't necessarily mean it needs it. It'll just cache it like Windows caches RAM. If AMD really has managed to optimize the frame buffer utilization, 4GB might be the sensible option considering it'll lower costs compared to 8GB.
Nostremitus
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Has this been posted?
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/45669...ext-gen-radeon-r9-390x-video-cards/index.html
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/45669...ext-gen-radeon-r9-390x-video-cards/index.html
Jack Videogames
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Seriously, as much as I like nVidia, considering I have a microATX box and it's hard to fit a gaming rig inside it, and depending on reviews, AMD might just have won my money.
Has this been posted?
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/45669...ext-gen-radeon-r9-390x-video-cards/index.html
that's a 290x PCB lol, the LF R29FA is the giveaway. Looks like they're just showing off their hybrid cooler and not the actual 390x.
Theonik
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Mind the question of how much memory a game needs is kind of hairy as you said. In the first place you want to use as much memory as possible. RAM you are not using is wasted RAM, and games don't allocate VRAM themselves anyway in current APIs so this is something done entirely on the driver level.
Now if a game absolutely wants to say store 6GB of textures, then there is no way to fit that into 4GB without serious shenanigans. But this is rarely the case.
It was speculated in the video with Scott Wasson and David Kanter that the reason Fuji is watercooled is not because it is really hot, but because the board is so short there isn't space for a big enough blower. They could have bolted on extra plastic like Nvidia does for some of their cards, but then you don't get the advantage of a short card.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Fuji?!
Yeah sounds good. I think this will make MATX and MicroITX systems even more viable in a couple years, and they'll probably become the standard size for modern PCs.
jfoul
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Has this been posted?
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/45669...ext-gen-radeon-r9-390x-video-cards/index.html
It's nice to see the R9 390X get some nice cooling even though it's a re-badge. I'm totally sold on the Radeon Fury and Fury X size, and I'm ready for all cards to get away from the length that GDDR brings.
At 1080p? Maybe. At 1440p or even 2160p? This is becoming more and more common and that trend will continue. And these are the resolutions you'd expect most people to be playing at with these true high-end cards.
Isn't the 390 a rebranded 290?
With tonga and 8gb GDDR5 vram.
Edit: ^^^^
The 290 is Hawaii, not Tonga.
I took a look inside my FT03-mini and if I remove my optical drive it looks like it is possible to fit a rad on top of the thin CPU rad along with an extra fan in between. The rads are quite effective when cooling GPUs so they should still work well with warmer air.
The 290 is Hawaii, not Tonga.
Fiji, right... I should have remembered which one was an island
I took a look inside my FT03-mini and if I remove my optical drive it looks like it is possible to fit a rad on top of the thin CPU rad along with an extra fan in between. The rads are quite effective when cooling GPUs so they should still work well with warmer air.
Irobot82
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We don't even know if it will be GCN 1.2, it's probably purely GCN 1.1 still with slightly higher clocks and double the vram.
TC McQueen
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Won't be a problem once kinetic coolers hit the market.
I remember Anandtech interviewed a dev who said that, past a certain baseline, the GPU's L2 cache is more important.
Also I have no idea how Witcher 3 squeezed that fancy graphics into less than 2GB
Krauser Kat
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Why? Until we see real benches we have every reason to believe 4gb at 640GB/s of hbm ram used efficiently is more ram per second than 6 at 336GB/s. Less redundant textures and what not.
AMDs GDDR5 cards punched above their weight compared to NV GDDR3 cards in their time.
The textures aren't particularly high resolution, plus in most scenes there are a lot of repeating textures. It definitely isn't typical.
Coulomb_Barrier
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That may well be the case but it's not good from a marketing or desirability POV for a high-end card to only have 4GB of total memory.
dgrdsv
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AMD Radeon 300 Series Pricing Leaked More Expensive Than 200 Series
So it seems that 390/X cards won't be based on Hawaii after all. Grenada is probably Hawaii updated to GCN 1.2.
The only reason why they would go with a reference WCE is because they are unable to reach the clockspeeds needed without it. Two 8-pin power sockets are kinda saying that the card will be hot as well. The idea about them spending a lot on a WC solution for a reference card just to make it shorter makes zero sense. It's not like top end cards are known to be small these days so why would they pursue this right now?
So it seems that 390/X cards won't be based on Hawaii after all. Grenada is probably Hawaii updated to GCN 1.2.
The only reason why they would go with a reference WCE is because they are unable to reach the clockspeeds needed without it. Two 8-pin power sockets are kinda saying that the card will be hot as well. The idea about them spending a lot on a WC solution for a reference card just to make it shorter makes zero sense. It's not like top end cards are known to be small these days so why would they pursue this right now?
Irobot82
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I just read this article as well and I thought there is no way they could re-release Hawaii (GCN 1.1) as 390x's and charge over $150 more. These HAVE to be updated to GCN 1.2 which could be very exciting for the better wattage performance etc.
Edit: It has to be, right now I can get this 290x for $300 or $280 after MIR. There is no way they would charge $200 more for 4GB more vRAM and 50mhz more clock speed. I can do that in an OC utility right now.
Edit2: Here is an 8GB model of the 290x for under $400.
Why would they update Hawaii to 1.2 but leave Pitcairn as is. Isn't most of the market volume in the $150 to $250 range, or has it changed from couple of years ago with iGPU?
EmptySpace
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so 390 8gb is 419 usd which is 520 cad.
aaaahahaha. especially given how this will be the last year we'll be getting gddr5 on the top video cards.
might as well just get the 290x 8gb for cheaper. are amd for real?
yeah it isn't just a rebrand but come on. it is mostly a 290x and whatever improvements it has had they're charging a 200-dollar premium on it?
"Matt Skynner CVP and General Manager of AMD’s GPU and APU products touted the company’s upcoming flagship Fury X as the world’s fastest GPU."
Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-hbm-fury-x-fastest-world/
Hmmm considering canceling my 980 ti order, still hasn't shipped from newegg.
Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-hbm-fury-x-fastest-world/
Hmmm considering canceling my 980 ti order, still hasn't shipped from newegg.
Check out the videocard in the background of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ObeBvWrwRk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ObeBvWrwRk
Caayn
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Oohh that's sneaky, nice catch. But it seems rather large for it to be the card.
Looks like a 295X2....
Coulomb_Barrier
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What the hell kind of price is $419 lol?
It won't be that price. Probably $399. In any case, that card is probably going to offer some excellent performance for the price.
The 290 non-reference is a good overclocker and this will probably be even better, plus with 8GB.
Dictator93
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Companies say lots of things to get people to buy their stuff. We might as well wait. Although, the fact that we do not know... and they are letting people wait and buy 980 Ti's doesn't sound bode too well for the card.
rly
Well - actually it is a good sign they are at least doing a soft reveal at Computex, and saying their card is faster than a titan x.
Dictator93
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I just think it is weird that they are letting all this time between when the 980Ti releases and when the Fury releases. Seems like they will lose more market position in this time all for the sake of????? (I am not sure why they aren't demoing it openly and soft launching it right now).
They have a marketing plan in place, defined ever since they were planning their E3 PC gaming conference. Any sudden jumps or changes completely ruins their plans, they stand to lose something by making ill conceived and reactionary moves.
SolidSnakeUS
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Anyone else hoping that the 390X reviews will be out before the 16th? I ask this because I really do want to try to order a graphics card before the end of the month (someone is going to buy my GTX 970 off of me then) and also I don't want the Arkham Knight offer to expire...
GCN 1.2 (Tonga) offers a lot of improvements in tesselation and memory bandwidth compression. It's the reason 285 sometimes beats 280X despite being inferior on all other specs. If Grenada has these, it will be an improvement over 290 Hawaii cards. 8GB, plus improved IPC from Tonga, means the 390X may be well positioned as a 980 Killer.
GatticusFinch
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The release schedule is the release schedule, but how can you not do something? If I am AMD, I would be leaking benchmarks like a motherfucker the day the 980 Ti was revealed.
I'm all in on a Fiji/Freesync or 980Ti/Gsync, so the ball is in AMD's court. I'd honestly prefer the former on the monitor price savings, but we'll see what happens.
RAM on the chip saves a lot of space and small form factor is in. They would need to lengthen the card to fit a blower on it so why no use the length to their advantage.
dgrdsv
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Because Pitcairn is fine as it is competing against lower end of Kepler GPUs and Hawaii is obviously in trouble competing with GM204. It is also better to have a common feature set for the gaming range of your GPUs to allow that Fiji halo effect to pull lower chips sales (I'm expecting Fiji to be GCN 1.2 as well currently).
I'd be disappointed if Fiji is only GCN 1.2, given the amount of time that has passed since Tonga was released. They could at least have added the DX12_1 features that Tonga is missing.
What happened to 1.3 and where did you get this information?
Brad Grenz
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You could just as easily say nVidia rushed to make sure they announced the 980Ti first because they were afraid they'd lose sales if people were directly comparing it to a more powerful Fury.
icecold1983
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only 2 weeks out and no leaked benches. wtf is happening. i would love it if its faster and cheaper than the titan x, that would be so good for all consumers, but i think its going to end up slower :/
Unknown Soldier
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But the 980 is 10 months old at this point. Great job on making a 980 Killer nearly a year after the fact, I guess AMD?
It's hard to say Nvidia rushed the 980 Ti, if anything they have been biding their time and waiting for the opportunity to spoil the Fury's launch by squeezing the 980 Ti in at the same time. What's baffling is AMD's reaction, they were also going to announce the Fury at Computex but then suddenly delayed it, and then rumors start that they are trying to tweak the clocks to make sure the Fury is faster.
All signs point to Nvidia playing the perfect spoiler, releasing the 980 Ti within a few percentage points of the Titan X in performance and at only $650. Nvidia played their hand well and it really seems like AMD are panicking now, trying to boost the clock speed at the last second and aggravating their AIB partners while also working Furiously (tee hee) to squeeze in a few more driver optimizations before launch.
Personally, they lost me after I had been waiting to upgrade since February, they just took too long. Also, seeing no DVI port in the leaked photos last month discouraged me further (my monitor only has DVI and active adapters cost a lot). As soon as the 980ti reviews came out I made up my mind and bought it, I want to play Witcher 3 damnit.
Brad Grenz
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No, actually it's easy to say since none of us have first hand knowledge. Anyone can spin the available knowledge however they want. For example, you claim it's strange they didn't announce Fury at computex. I think that makes perfect sense since AMD is hosting a big press conference at E3 on June 16th. Where have we heard that date before?