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[Coulomb_Barrier]

Right, but that's the issue - at that point, I'm spending at least $50 more for the cheapest Ryzen 3 than the G4560, and getting a dGPU that isn't really needed. I love the R5 and R7 lines, I'm just having issues seeing a use for the R3 for home-office type of use (but, maybe that's not their purpose). R3s seem reasonable for uses above office use (gaming purposes etc) however.

No of course I see your point, this is one downside of Ryzen 3. The G4560 is king in price - perf but let's be honest, it's slow but will do the job for many in your such scenario you describe.

 

[dr_rus]

The only downside to Ryzen 3 to me is that there is no integrated GPU. I understand the benefits of leaving that off, but it means I can't build low-task PCs for my friends or family on a Ryzen 3 system because it'd end up needing a dGPU that they otherwise wouldn't need or really take advantage of. My wife is still running on an i3-3220 that cuts through YouTube videos and any productivity work like butter, and it seems like the G4560 would be the replacement if I had to rebuild her PC today, rather than an R3.

Ryzen 3 is essentially the same die as Ryzen 7, just with 2 out of each 4 cores being disabled in each CCX. Realistically, this is the only way AMD could've launched a whole lineup of Zen CPUs in less than half a year. APUs with Ryzen will come at a later date.

 

[Ty4on]

A quadcore trading blows with a 2c/4t is weirding me out.

Single threaded perf is still important and when hyperthreading works well it's a nice boost in performance. If you check older reviews with 2c/2t Pentium vs 2c/4t i3 you can see a pretty substantial lead for similarly clocked i3s in threaded tasks.

For gaming remember that the two cores are on their own CCX so core to core latency can be high.

PCWorld —— Why Ryzen Threadripper has two mysterious chips - Did AMD burn two 8-core dies to make its Ryzen Threadripper? Here's the answer.

This makes sense. I'm also guessing with Threadripper being 64pci-e and 4-channel versus Epyc's 128pci-e and 8-channel that there's no way of making an Epyc chip function in an X399 board. The specifications seem tailored to Threadripper being an Epyc chopped in half.

 

[Khaz]

I agree.

Thinking about building my kids a PC with a G4560 for the exact same reasons.

For me tho, these cheaper Ryzens is making me rethink my future Ryzen 1600 build.

Don't be a that dad, give your kids a graphics card. Intel Integrated can't play games at all.

 

[Jafku]

could make a cheap streaming pc with ryzen 3

 

[Blanquito]

Are Ryzen 3s just Ryzen 7s that have had defects so the other cores are disabled? Or were they fully functional but purposely disabled? Or a mix of both?

 

[VariantX]

I wonder if you could build a sub-$500 Ryzen rig with one of the APUs that could beat a console:
How To Build a $525 GAMING PC with Ryzen 3!

Well, shit. Well that's a perfect excuse to build myself an all new system. There's really no reason to upgrade this system anymore because its just way too old for that since theres still a 2500k in here. I can save and spend a little more and get a Ryzen 5 and get a pretty significant boost from where i'm standing now.

 

[opticalmace]

Well, shit. Well that's a perfect excuse to build myself an all new system. There's really no reason to upgrade this system anymore because its just way too old for that since theres still a 2500k in here. I can save and spend a little more and get a Ryzen 5 and get a pretty significant boost from where i'm standing now.

TBH the 2500k is still pretty decent, though aged. If you have an old GPU the first thing I would do is throw money at a new GPU now and CPU later.

 

[Zushin]

This is a super super duper stupid question, but does what CPU manufacturer you go with affect compatibility with certain programs ala Nvidia/AMD partnered games? Never had an AMD processor before so wasn't sure if it's the same sort of deal as GPUs.

 

[Sir Abacus]

This is a super super duper stupid question, but does what CPU manufacturer you go with affect compatibility with certain programs ala Nvidia/AMD partnered games? Never had an AMD processor before so wasn't sure if it's the same sort of deal as GPUs.

Compatability? No. In theory, most games use the Visual C++ compiler which produces decent code for both series of chips.

If the game developer used the Intel C++ compiler (which I believe is fairly rare) prepare for AMD performance to be dumpstered.

 

[TC McQueen]

This is a super super duper stupid question, but does what CPU manufacturer you go with affect compatibility with certain programs ala Nvidia/AMD partnered games? Never had an AMD processor before so wasn't sure if it's the same sort of deal as GPUs.

There's more of an issue of programming not being optimized for Ryzen, mostly with older games/engines that were created before Ryzen came out. Rise of the Tomb Raider is a case of a game where altering the code resulted a huge performance boost from when Ryzen debuted.

 

[KojiKnight]

Are Ryzen 3s just Ryzen 7s that have had defects so the other cores are disabled? Or were they fully functional but purposely disabled? Or a mix of both?

I don't believe we know yet. It's impossible to check every processor to make sure if a core is defective or not, and even if they are fully functional they could be physically disabled and thus no way to turn them back on regardless.

 

[·feist·]

MSI® HOW-TO CHANNEL [YouTube] —— MSI® HOW-TO Install AMD X399 CPU

In this demonstration, we'll show you how to install AMD X399 CPU on MSI X399 series motherboard.

The video features what may be AMD's stock, OEM Threadripper heatsink cooler. We've already had confirmation that each Threadripper will include a TR4 adapter for most Asetek-derived AIO watercoolers from Arctic Cooling's leak on one of their AIO cooler support pages (I meant to post this days ago, but they've since removed the image before I screencapped it).

A number of days after Arctic's leak, Gamers Nexus reported from a different source: Threadripper Will Include Asetek Retention Kit in Retail Package

This may not have the newer Ryzen aesthetic (and may not be AMD's stock TR4 solution), but it looks very similar to a number of their pre-Ryzen boxed heatsinks.

HotHardware —— Alienware Area-51 Ryzen Threadripper Edition Hands-On With Benchmark Annihilation
HotHardware [YouTube] —— Alienware Area-51 THREADRIPPER Edition Hands-On Preview And BENCHMARK

ASRock X399 Microsite:
http://www.asrock.com/microsite/AMDX399/index.asp

ASRock X399 Taichi
http://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/X399 Taichi/index.asp

ASRock Fatal1ty X399 Professional Gaming
http://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty X399 Professional Gaming/index.asp


Info ASRock [YouTube] —— ASRock Socket TR4 X399 Motherboards – Beyond Expectation

MSI X399 GAMING PRO CARBON AC

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X399-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC.html#productFeature-section
Data sheet: https://msi.com/pdf/presale/X399-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC

Gigabyte X399 AORUS Gaming 7 (rev. 1.0)
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X399-AORUS-Gaming-7-rev-10#kf
http://event.gigabyte.us/x399promo/

PCGamesHardware (PCGH) —— AMD Ryzen Threadripper: High-end TR4 motherboards get cooler upgrades

Google Translate:

AMD is quite obviously benefiting from the Shitstorm around the voltage transformer cooling on the X299 motherboards with Intel's socket 2066. Asrock, Asus, Gigabyte and MSI showed their first TR4-boards with X399 chip AMD's webinar "Meet the Experts" In cooling partly differ significantly from the shown patterns on the Computex in late May, early June.
Gigabyte has split the voltage converter range over the Ryen threadripper CPU and to the left of the RAM banks. Both parts now have larger heat sinks with apparently more slats (difficult to see from above). At least on the rendered pictures the heat sink above even briefly covers the bolt hole for fastening in the housing. A heatpipe for the even distribution of waste heat completes the reworked design. This is also the case with the Asrock models X399 Fat1lity Professional Gaming and X399 Taichi. In order to prepare the space for the heat pipe, the layout was somewhat adapted by exchanging the eight- and four-pole EPS power connector.

For the first time, MSI has now shown the X399 Gaming Pro Carbon, which is the only mainboard to realize all voltage converters and their complete cooling over the TR4 socket. The heat sink is already a small tower, which comes with plenty of slats. It could only be a problem with the CPU cooler, whose space is limited.

 

[DonMigs85]

They're selling the Wraith RGB cooler separately now for $60

 

[jroc74]

Don't be a that dad, give your kids a graphics card. Intel Integrated can't play games at all.

lol, it's only to get the PC up n running. For mine I'm going to use a GTX 710.

Eventually we all are going to get recent cards.

I could also just wait till I can get the cards I want and build them then.

Either way.

 

[Sir Abacus]

lol, it's only to get the PC up n running. For mine I'm going to use a GTX 710.

Integrated graphics will be faster.

 

[·feist·]

Ryzen 3 Reviews
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=244731051&postcount=3721





Gamers Nexus [YouTube] —— AMD Ryzen 3 1200 Review: The Line Between "Fine" and "Exciting"

OzTalksHW [YouTube] —— AMD Ryzen 3 1200 vs AMD Ryzen 5 1400 - Is the extra $50 worth it?

Hardware Unboxed [YouTube] —— Ryzen 3 1200 vs. 1300X - Is the X worth it?

 

[Irobot82]

Microcenter needs to hurry up and start selling those Ryzen 3's!

 

[RumblingRosco]

Microcenter needs to hurry up and start selling those Ryzen 3's!

Rumor is they'll do a $30 off with compatible motherboard combo.

 

[NeOak]

Rumor is they'll do a $30 off with compatible motherboard combo.

I mean, don't they always do that?

 

[c0de]

Oh my god, gaming lan is still a thing?

 

[RumblingRosco]

I mean, don't they always do that?

I don't think Intel's G4560 CPU has a combo discount?

 

[ViciousDS]

Oh my god, gaming lan is still a thing?

who cares, Wi-Fi AC right there instantly puts it on the must watch list lol


God Threadripper is so big.....you could kill a man with that.

I always read that as the one xbox one reveal parody guy

"LOOK at it! Its Massive! You could kill a man with that!"


https://youtu.be/KOxdMQhDMIU?t=8

 

[NeOak]

I don't think Intel's G4560 CPU has a combo discount?

Oh, they removed the $10 off for the sub $100 CPUs. RIP.

 

[·feist·]

AMD ThreadRipper 1950X OverClocked to 5.2Ghz on LN2
http://hwbot.org/submission/3613447_
http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-overclocked-5-1-ghz-ln2_196605

This demo was done on an AMD X399 ‘Whitehaven’ reference board and not a channel board from ASUS, ASRock, Gigabyte or MSI.

Using AMD Ryzen Masters and the AMD X399 reference board they managed to get one of the Ryzen Threadripper 1950X 16-core processors up to 5,187.62 MHz on all cores! The bus speed was left at 100 and they cranked the multiplier all the way up to 52x. The boards DDR4 memory was run at 2,133MHz with CL15 timings and a 1T command rate.

AMD believes that the channel boards will do better when they come to market next month when Threadripper launches on August 10th, 2017!

- Threadripper 1950x, 1920x and 1900x will all feature 200MHz XFR to run at 4.2GHz ("standard" turbo = 4.0GHz)

- Asus Prime X399-A motherboard shown



Paul's Hardware [YouTube] —— VEGA PRICING! NEW $550 THREADRIPPER CPU! AMD Tech Day Info Dump

Gamers Nexus [YouTube] —— Six Finalized Threadripper Motherboards Detailed

The Tech Report —— AMD's Ryzen Threadripper 1950X, Threadripper 1920X, and Threadripper 1900X CPUs revealed: AMD returns to the high-end desktop

All Threadripper CPUs will have support for ECC RAM, as well, and AMD said its motherboard partners have all included support for the feature in their accompanying motherboards.

The two active dies on a Threadripper MCM are arranged diagonally on the package, and they're flanked by two dummy dies that provide stability to the large integrated heat spreader that caps off the whole affair. That integrated heat spreader is soldered to the dies beneath for effective heat transfer.

AMD has already disclosed clock speeds and core counts for its two highest-end Threadrippers, but we now have more details about them. The Ryzen Threadripper 1950X will offer the full 16 cores and 32 threads of compute power that Threadripper promises. AMD says it's selecting the best 2% of dies for use in Threadrippers. That means the 1950X will offer 200 MHz of XFR headroom for operation at speeds of up to 4.2 GHz in lightly-threaded workloads. The chip will also be able to boost up to 4 GHz on two cores of each eight-core die.

Overclockers may also find plenty of potential to be tapped within reasonable voltages as a result of that binning. AMD testing guru James Prior noted that he was able to overclock his own Threadripper 1950X to 4 GHz across all cores using just 1.325V, as opposed to 1.4V for his personal Ryzen 7 1800X.

AMD's in-house team of extreme overclockers tried their hand at putting a Threadripper 1950X under liquid nitrogen last night, and the net result was a roughly 5.2 GHz all-core overclock. With 16 cores and 32 threads churning away at those speeds, the chip produced a Cinebench all-core score of 4188. For perspective, that's 2000 points more than the Core i9-7900X turned in during our review.

For those who'd rather have four channels of memory to pair with eight Ryzen cores—something Ryzen 7 chips can't boast—AMD will offer the previously-undisclosed Threadripper 1900X. This chip will have a 3.8 GHz base clock, a 4 GHz boost clock, and the same 200 MHz of XFR headroom as its brethren. Compared to the Ryzen 7 1800X, the Threadripper 1900X will offer a 200-MHz-higher base clock and 100 MHz more XFR headroom to go with what will surely be much higher memory bandwidth. Like its counterparts, the Threadripper 1900X will still offer all 64 lanes of the platform's PCIe 3.0 connectivity to host motherboards.

For users who want even higher stock-clocked performance or overclocking potential than the Ryzen 7 1800X, the Threadripper 1900X could prove an appealing point of entry to the X399 platform (unlike the bemusing Kaby Lake-X CPUs for Intel's X299 motherboards), and it'll start at $549—just $50 more than the nominal price of the Ryzen 7 1800X.

PCGH (PC Games Hardware) —— AMD Ryzen Threadripper announced: 1900X gets 3.8GHz Base Clock

Google Translate:

Who needs 16 cores?

According to Jim Anderson, AMD's multi-core monsters are mainly used by researchers, developers, prosumers and content creators. For example, they do not always want to wait until their computer has finished rendering an animation sequence, but instead want to stage the next one - because time is money, especially when it comes to computer-intensive professions.

Okay, also as a gamer the grip to the threadripper can be useful. For example, if you want to stream a stream of the action and live it on the net. Or during a Renderpause a game round would like to insert. Or with several graphics cards in 1440p is underway.

Google Translate:

Ryzen Threadripper 1950X: The flagship

In Los Angeles, Jim Anderson presented three variants of the threadripper. The 1950X with its 16 cores is the direct price competitor to Intel's still-top model i9-7900X. Both cost $ 999, but the AMD project delivers up to 38 percent more power, measured in the Cinebench benchmark. The first speed was the same as on the Intel counterpart, but then James Prior from AMD's Client Enthusiast team showed us that Deus Ex: Mankind Divided was still active on the AMD chip.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

Jesus, Threadripper really is a multi-tasking monster. Matching the 7900x while it's playing a game in the background is the digital equivalent of 'I'll do it with one arm tied behind my back!'

 

[ViciousDS]

AMD.......I'm so happy your back!!!!


Also only $549 starting? Dear lord

 

[TronLight]

Daaamn, I want a Threadripper so bad. Long render times be damned.

But what would be the advantage of buying the 1900x instead of an 1800x (assuming matching clocks)?

 

[nubbe]

I'm thinking about going with x1900 because I want 128GB ram and 3x M.2
Getting randy just thinking about it

 

[kabel]

Daaamn, I want a Threadripper so bad. Long render times be damned.

But what would be the advantage of buying the 1900x instead of an 1800x (assuming matching clocks)?

X399 platform ( quad-channel RAM,8 RAM slots, etc.)

 

[Kayant]

And that's how you offer an entry level in HEDT market not the sorry excuse Intel is doing with the KLX.

Thinking now I might save up for that jump in on HEDT for a long term platform.

 

[horkrux]

And that's how you offer an entry level in HEDT market not the sorry excuse Intel is doing with the KLX.

Thinking now I might save up for that jump in on HEDT for a long term platform.

Tbf Intel's entry level HEDT CPUs are much cheaper than this.

 

[nubbe]

Tbf Intel's entry level HEDT CPUs are much cheaper than this.

they aren't even worth looking at with their ~20 pcie lanes, they are a scam
all threadrippers have 60+4

 

[tuxfool]

Tbf Intel's entry level HEDT CPUs are much cheaper than this.

As they should be, with half the physical cores, half the memory channels, a quarter of PCIE lanes.

They aren't HEDT processors.

 

[NeOak]

Tbf Intel's entry level HEDT CPUs are much cheaper than this.

You mean the repackaged 7700k and 7600k without IGP?

 

[horkrux]

There's also the 7800X for less than 400 bucks

 

[NeOak]

There's also the 7800X for less than 400 bucks

That's only 6 cores. with 28 PCI-E lanes.

1900X is 8 cores.

 

[horkrux]

Yes, but it's still cheaper. Problem is when you want more and spend more just to get less (7820X vs 1900X)

 

[Paragon]

Tbf Intel's entry level HEDT CPUs are much cheaper than this.

Comparing MSRPs to be fair to Intel, since Ryzen has been discounted a lot:

• Kaby Lake X are not HEDT CPUs - they just fit in HEDT boards. And they're only quad-cores with 16 PCIe lanes.
• The i7-7800X is $400, which is cheaper than any of the Threadrippers. But that's because Intel start at 6 cores rather than 8, and you only get 28 PCIe lanes. With only 28 lanes, you still need to drop the GPUs in a Crossfire/SLI setup to 8x/8x instead of 16x/16x for example. Though an R5-1600X is not HEDT, it is $265 for a hex-core CPU with 20+4 PCIe lanes.
• The i7-7820X is an 8-core CPU with 28 PCIe lanes for $600. A 1900X is 8-cores with 64 PCIe lanes for $550 - but the R7-1700X is $400 if it's the cores you need and not the other HEDT features.
• The i9-7900X is where Intel's "true" HEDT starts, with a 10-core CPU that has 44 PCIe lanes for $1000. The 1920X is $800 for 12 cores and 64 PCIe lanes, or you can get the 1950X with 16 cores for $1000.

Of course it gets a bit more nuanced than that depending on your requirements, and when you consider performance rather than simply core counts, but Intel doesn't seem cheaper to me unless the i7-7800X is exactly what you need.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

1950X 4Ghz overclock on all 16-cores sounds like a monster.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

What would be the best Ryzen cooler for $40 and under?

 

[Hesemonni]

For those in EU, you can get the 1600 now for 203 EUROS, or £186 on Amazon. This is a bonkers price.

https://www.amazon.it/dp/B06XNRQHG4/

I was alerted to this from HUKDeals.

They don't dispatch to Finland for some reason

 

[nubbe]

They don't dispatch to Finland for some reason

It's the retailer, chose a different retailer like amazon.it
https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B06XNRQHG4/

 

[DieH@rd]

Tbf Intel's entry level HEDT CPUs are much cheaper than this.

They are HEDT only in name.

 

[Hesemonni]

It's the retailer, chose a different retailer like amazon.it
https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B06XNRQHG4/

Ah, thx!

 

[·feist·]

AMD [YouTube] —— AMD Capsaicin at Siggraph 2017

- Threadripper portion begins roughly around the 21:00 minute mark

- Epic Games's Tim Sweeney ~23:15 gifted Ryzen 1950x and RX Vega Nano

- Threadripper launch video and talk from around the 30:00 minute mark

 

[ViciousDS]

What would be the best Ryzen cooler for $40 and under?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N27QWFA/?tag=neogaf0e-20


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N9X2YYN/?tag=neogaf0e-20



Top one is as close as your getting, its the cooler i use in my HTPC....runs fantastic.

I listed the bottom one as well Noctua has been my go to cooling solution now for awhile, the quality of their stuff is just fantastic for the price. Insanely well built and made.

If you can grab the bottom one, if you need low profile top one is a great choice



https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XP5GFFH/?tag=neogaf0e-20

this is the stock cooler if i am correct

 

[SteppingOlive]

What would be the best Ryzen cooler for $40 and under?

The Scythe Mugen 5 looks like a silent and compact beast, according to reviews. It's slightly more than $40, but it does appear to come with an AM4 bracket, unless you get one of the old stock, in which case you can get one sent to you for free.


https://www.amazon.com/Scythe-Mugen-Cooler-Sealed-Precision/dp/B01M6CR4GH/

You could also look at the Scythe Fuma if you don't mind the two-fan double tower style, which comes with RAM clearance issues. It's around the same price as the Mugen 5 but with better performance. You can get an AM4 bracket for it off Amazon, or from their website.

If you absolutely must stay below $40, the cryorig H7 is probably your best bet. You need cryorig to send you the AM4 bracket however.

 

[·feist·]

X399 motherboard prices via Newegg US, with all labeled "Release Date: 08/10/2017" (Asus PRIME X399-A not listed):

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Description=x399&Submit=ENE


$339.99 - ASRock X399 Taichi TR4 AMD X399 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157785
"$329.99 after $10.00 rebate"


$379.99 - MSI X399 GAMING PRO CARBON AC TR4 AMD X399 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 ATX AMD Motherboard
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813144079


$389.99 - GIGABYTE AORUS X399 AORUS Gaming 7 AMD X399 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813145030


$439.99 - ASRock X399 Professional Gaming TR4 ATX AMD Motherboard
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157784
"$429.99 after $10.00 rebate"


$549.99 - ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME TR4 AMD X399 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 Extended ATX AMD Motherboard
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813119003





Official motherboard pages, minus Asus: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=244828863&postcount=3763

Asus ROG ZENITH EXTREME
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-ZENITH-EXTREME/

Asus PRIME X399-A
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-X399-A/

 

[Hesh]

Finding out today that all AM4 boards only support DDR4 RAM breaks my heart after I bought 8 GB more of DDR3 RAM last year. Now I have 16GB of RAM that I can't use with my new Ryzen 1700X and have to now spend another $150+ to get 16GB of DDR4 RAM.