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[BlackGhost]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZmF5oUa_7A&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Watching this bowl game right now scheme wise it gives you a look at Chris Aults Pistol offense and in Arizona a more up tempo offense like Oregon. Also watching it because I'm interested in Zona Qb Matt Scott as a possible draft prospect for the Browns in later rounds. I really believe we want to add Read option/pistol/up tempo elements a to our offense. I know Weeden dosent really fit must of what i just said but I think the new regime loves these concepts and is part of the reason why Chud was hired after Chip fell through.

 

[squicken]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZmF5oUa_7A&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Watching this bowl game right now scheme wise it gives you a look at Chris Aults Pistol offense and in Arizona a more up tempo offense like Oregon. Also watching it because I'm interested in Zona Qb Matt Scott as a possible draft prospect for the Browns in later rounds. I really believe we want to add Read option/pistol/up tempo elements a to our offense. I know Weeden dosent really fit must of what i just said but I think the new regime loves these concepts and is part of the reason why Chud was hired after Chip fell through.

Lots of people seem interested in Matt Scott. Get the feeling he'll go higher than expected.

As far as pistol, I think everyone will put some of that in their game. You can still run downhill, and you don't need a running QB for it to work. It has it's drawbacks, but it's a good compromise for young QBs coming straight out of 8 years of shotgun spread

 

[LJ11]

Reading that piece on Patterson, it mentioned that Stevie was academically ineligible for D1, and had to go the JUCO route. Did that affect his ability to contribute right away? Has he had trouble learning the offense?

Steve is a unique WR. Even as a rookie in preseason I could tell that he had something. Lot of wiggle after the catch, went up and high pointed the ball when he was asked to. I thought he'd end up a slot guy who could get some YAC. I'm being honest, I thought the guy was going to be something if he cleaned up the drops. That Monday night game against the Browns as a rookie with fuck all for reps showed what he could do. Browns just played man press and he whipped his guy all night.

And then they shelved him for two fucking years because he didn't do things the way the coaches wanted. He doesn't run routes the way most receivers do, he doesn't lead with the right foot at times. I don't care, when he played he looked like a capable player. There was never talk of him not being able to learning the PB, or being dumb, they just didn't use him because of technique, that's the only possible explanation

Coaching staff was bad, not every player can do exactly what you want him to do, find ways to use him however you can. Chan at least understood that, in Steve's case anyway. Steve's capable of putting up more yards with a better QB, lots of missed opportunities last year, still has room to improve. A lot of what Steve does is natural to him.

Patterson is a unique talent, maybe it's me but I think he looks stiff and slow off the line, but when he gets going, no one is touching him. Also runs like a RB in the open field. I don't worry about guys like Patterson, because they have the ability to do things that no one else on the field can.

Just needs to clean up his ability to get off the line, quick release, and snap off routes better. A guy like that should be killing it on slants, didn't really see that when I watched him. Quickness off the line is critical for him, he can work on his route running, feel it's overrated at times anyway.

AJ Green was a much better route runner than Julio when I watched both of those guys play, but Julio was/is a monster in space and if you miss the jam he's by you in a hurry. Julio also didn't have great body control, but it's hard to assess with McElroy as your QB, not a lot of opportunities to showcase that trait when your QB can't throw deep. Haden ate Julio for breakfast at the line, you pressed him and it was a wrap. On the flip side, you miss and he's going by you. Julio wasn't a crisp route runner who got off press consistently. This sounds familiar...

My observations entirely, I could be dead wrong if I go back and rewatch but this is what I recall.

What do you think about that d-line?

Need depth, need to rotate guys in . I think this was a badly coached unit. Kyle Williams is by far the smartest guy on that team period, I hope he coaches some day. Everyone else plays dumb, they get frustrated, technique gets sloppy, rinse and repeat. It's a poorly coached line, no question. Our DL coach this year was a joke.

This is the depth right now: Dareus, Mario, Kyle, Anderson, Carrington (who played well when given a shot) and Torrell Troup who's been injured his entire career so far. Just to put things in perspective, Carrington is about 6-5" 290-300lbs and they had him as a stand up LB or DE. Ridiculously stupid.

I trust the D coaches this year, I'm skeptical about the O, still need to add talent on the DL and back seven.

Hate talking about this team, such a mess when you break it down.

 

[BlackGhost]

Lots of people seem interested in Matt Scott. Get the feeling he'll go higher than expected.

Quite possibly, he also had a pretty good combine
http://tucsoncitizen.com/wildcatreport/2013/02/24/former-arizona-wildcats-quarterback-matt-scott-shines-at-nfl-combine/
I was thinking 4th/5th round, what are you expecting then? 3rd?

 

[BlackGhost]

LJ what do you think of Keenan Allen from Cal?

 

[LJ11]

LJ what do you think of Keenan Allen from Cal?

Wish I watched more of him, it's easy to get a look at the ACC/SEC guys here on the east coast. Only watched a couple of his games, I liked what I saw. Like when receivers work back to the ball, like Kendall Wright did at Baylor, and you see Allen doing it. Don't sit there and become a target. Used his body really well too, shielded defenders, and was able to gain yards after he caught the ball. Seemed like he had strong hands, attacked it, I like that. That offense was garbage though, QB stunk. Wouldn't mind having him on my team. Have no idea if he can separate down the sideline, that wasn't the offense he was in. Dink and dunk, QB couldn't go downfield.

But yeah, wish I watched more of him.

 

[BlackGhost]

I personally can't wait for the draft I've got numerous scenarios playing out in my head, I'd kinda like to trade down. Here are some players I'd like if that happened

Johnathan Banks
Tyler Eifert
Brandon Jenkins
Matt Scott
Joseph Randle
And just numerous Amounts of pass rusher and LBs i like.

What are some prospects you guys want for your respective teams

 

[chuckddd]

I want Cyprien. But you know that already.

 

[LJ11]

It's interesting seeing Floyd and Tank get a lot of talk. Loved both during the season, but you didn't hear them mentioned much. Not sure if Tank really has that insane first step, but he has a really violent pair of hands, and never stops. Must be in great shape, good stamina to play the way he does. Plays too upright at times and can get stoned, but he won't give up.

Floyd's an animal, stays low and maintains good pad level, I'm sure he has other problems that a trained eye can spot. But his ability to keep his pads low and use his hands were two things that immediately stood out, even saw him bend around the corner as a DE.

 

[squicken]

I also have a big blind spot on PAC 10 guys. Besides Oregon, can't say I saw much of the other teams. So the little I saw from Woods and Allen, I just wasn't impressed. I will say that the one half of ASJ I saw, he looked far better than Woods or Allen ever looked. 2014 is going to have a lot of impact guys. No idea what the depth will look like, but teams in the top 10 will be getting future All Pro talent

 

[chuckddd]

Yeah. I want the Steelers to trade this year's first for someone's next year's first. It won't happen. But some team, probably the Patriots, will do the same thing 15 picks later. I will then proceed to yell at my television.

 

[squicken]

My impression of Allen as a freshman: a lot of raw talent, but needs to knuckle down and work at it if he wants to be great.

My impression of Allen as a junior: a lot of raw talent, but needs to knuckle down and work at it if he wants to be great.

Who would be his NFL comparable, best case? Seems like a low-floor kind of guy, and I'm not sure he has the ceiling some of the other WRs do

edit: This certainly seems a constant whisper on the guy. I bleive McGinn had the same thing

• Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee, 6-3, 205 — “He’s explosive. He’s dynamic. He runs consistent 4.4s, I’m just not sure how smart he is. You’re going to have to keep it simple for him. But the kid is really dynamic.”

http://www.nj.com/times-sports/index.ssf/2013/03/eckel_grading_the_nfl_draft_pr.html

 

[LJ11]

Michael Irvin played receiver, how smart do you have to be?

Lets look at Demarius Thomas, the poster boy for intelligent WRs or so they say. Got injured, slow recovery, but he didn't make an impact until late in Season 2. Had a hard time separating because of poor routes. Then he blows up with a capable QB, also improved his route running.

Does Thomas succeed because of his smarts or the fact that he's a better athlete than just about anyone who attempts to cover him.

edit: Playbook learning was brought up. Crabtree never had a playbook in college, did that hinder his ability to pick up the pro game or was it his inability to get off the line and seperate? Bad coaching, combination of the two? What about Wes Welker, same system, no playbook in college. Is it his smarts that helped him or his ability to beat press with quickness?

 

[squicken]

Michael Irvin played receiver, how smart do you have to be?

Lets look at Demarius Thomas, the poster boy for intelligent WRs or so they say. Got injured, slow recovery, but he didn't make an impact until late in Season 2. Had a hard time separating because of poor routes. Then he blows up with a capable QB, also improved his route running.

Does Thomas succeed because of his smarts or the fact that he's a better athlete than just about anyone who attempts to cover him.

edit: Playbook learning was brought up. Crabtree never had a playbook in college, did that hinder his ability to pick up the pro game or was it his inability to get off the line and seperate? Bad coaching, combination of the two? What about Wes Welker, same system, no playbook in college. Is it his smarts that helped him or his ability to beat press with quickness?

I agree with the fundamental idea that teams need to cater to what their players can do, instead of keeping them off the field for what they cannot. Probably the best part of what Pete Carroll believes in as a coach. And coaching is big of course. Lots of terrible coaches. But the team has to rely on the player to be where he is supposed to go. Jenkins couldn't get on the field for Harbs, and I don't think he is a bad coach with a overly complicated system. I'm just not sure the value on a WR if you have to red shirt him a year

 

[LJ11]

I agree with the fundamental idea that teams need to cater to what their players can do, instead of keeping them off the field for what they cannot. Probably the best part of what Pete Carroll believes in as a coach. And coaching is big of course. Lots of terrible coaches. But the team has to rely on the player to be where he is supposed to go. Jenkins couldn't get on the field for Harbs, and I don't think he is a bad coach with a overly complicated system. I'm just not sure the value on a WR if you have to red shirt him a year

Was it actually Jenkins ability to grasp the concepts, or his ability to beat defenders? You can coast on talent alone at the college level but once you get to the pros you won't be as effective if your technique isn't good. Most receivers take a couple of years to get going anyway, was definitely the case in years past. Less so now because of the 3+ WR sets everyone runs, more opportunities for young guys, but I still feel it takes a couple of years for them to really get their game up to where it should be, always exceptions.

 

[cashman]

edit: Playbook learning was brought up. Crabtree never had a playbook in college, did that hinder his ability to pick up the pro game or was it his inability to get off the line and seperate? Bad coaching, combination of the two? What about Wes Welker, same system, no playbook in college. Is it his smarts that helped him or his ability to beat press with quickness?

Was reading that part of the success of spread offenses is mostly based on an incredibly simple set of plays that get lots and lots of repetition. I think I've read a similar article about Peyton Manning and the offense the offense that he runs is actually pretty basic. Do you guys think that this type of offensive set up is the future of the league? How are offenses like Seattle, San Fran, and Washington set up in terms of simplicity?

 

[squicken]

I don't actually watch enough NFL to be able to tell you that. Pretty much just watch college ball.

I mean, I could give you comparisons to former Cal WRs, but I doubt it'd help much. He's like Geoff MacArthur without the dedication. Like Lavelle Hawkins with a lot more talent. Like DeSean Jackson in that he coasts on ability like DeSean coasted on speed. And in that there was a lot of speculation around whether he was hurting the locker room--a lot of fans believed that he made Tedford promise to start his brother at QB.

Of course, fans will believe anything.

Well the DeSean work-ethic is concerning. The weirdest thing with Allen is that you hear so much about his brother. All the writers talk about how bad the QB was, but that it was his own fault. I guess I would think that Keenan Allen must be incredible if he can dictate to the coach to not only offer on the brother, but force him into starting him

Catch much UCLA? Seeing some buzz that Franklin is a safer, and possibly better, choice than Lacey for top RB

 

[Dutch Gronk]

LJ, do you think Sharrif Floyd can play and be a force in a 3-4 system for the Chiefs? With Poe at DT, Floyd at DE and Hali and Houston on the outside that seems like a scary bunch.

 

[LJ11]

Was reading that part of the success of spread offenses is mostly based on an incredibly simple set of plays that get lots and lots of repetition. I think I've read a similar article about Peyton Manning and the offense the offense that he runs is actually pretty basic. Do you guys think that this type of offensive set up is the future of the league? How are offenses like Seattle, San Fran, and Washington set up in terms of simplicity?

There's nothing bad about running a small set of plays over and over until you perfect them, because there's only so many ways to beat coverages.

Lets look at Manning, they love running the Levels concept which is a dig/in route, with another short inward breaking route underneath it, both run on the same side of the field. If it's zone it puts a lot of stress on the linebackers. If it's cover 2 and you give the dig receiver the option to run a seam route you can kill them down the middle if their LBs can't run. If they run some sort of Quarters coverage you can have another receiver run a post and turn the play into a "pin or mills" concept where you get the safety to bite on the dig and throw the post behind him, 2 on 1 against he safety. If it's cover 3 you hi/low the MLB. Can do this all from one play.

Lets look at the Saints, they love to go 4 Verticals, just 4 vertical routes with the TE bending inside. If your receivers and QB are on the same page and react properly to the DB leverage, the play can be pretty tough to stop, especially with a fast back isolated underneath on a LB.

All this goes out the window if your players can't get open on their own, or your QB doesn't threaten the entire field. See the Buffalo Bills. They ran a handful of plays out of multiple formations. Simple concepts, but ultimately went nowhere because the talent couldn't execute.

Another good example of this is Bobby Petrino. Simple offense that moves the ball, but it always hit a bump when they played Bama because they couldn't beat a simple defense because their talent couldn't win one on one when asked to.

Football can be incredibly detailed but it's basic passing concepts are simple, it's the details and wrinkles that catch teams off guard.

LJ, do you think Sharrif Floyd can play and be a force in a 3-4 system for the Chiefs? With Poe at DT, Floyd at DE and Hali and Houston on the outside that seems like a scary bunch.

Shariff can play in any system as long as he's a 3-Tech that's asked to penetrate and not read/hold/two gap whatever the hell you want to call it.

 

[bluemax]

Random question, I'm working on a football game as some of you know. What
Would be some of the core plays you'd want to see on offense and defense? I have some ideas of my own but taking some outside feedback is nice.

One thing to keep in mind is that it's a more
Arcadey game with 8 players per side.

Trick plays are also acceptable.

 

[Draxal]

Kirwan article going over this year's dline class, and explaining the various techs 3/5.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/p...l-of-d-line-talent-schemes-will-dictate-picks

 

[eznark]

Nice article, thanks. I wish more people would break down defensive linemen like that, save me the legwork.

 

[squicken]

Thanks for that link Draxal. Always good to have a breakdown on 3 and 5 technique and such when these guys break down fits for players. Really interested in how Sheldon Richardson gets evaluated. People rave about his ability in STL media. Kind of whispered that he could be Sapp-like as a pass rusher

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013-rsp-football-writers-project/writers-project-draft-room/

Don't know if you guys are following this. Basically a bunch of NFL writers building teams using a FF draft format. What I have found interesting is that a couple of guys, when discussing the philosophy they would use, have indicated they want to run a 2-4-5. Seems like that would be almost impossible. You would need two NTs, and most teams struggle to find 1

 

[Draxal]

Thanks for that link Draxal. Always good to have a breakdown on 3 and 5 technique and such when these guys break down fits for players. Really interested in how Sheldon Richardson gets evaluated. People rave about his ability in STL media. Kind of whispered that he could be Sapp-like as a pass rusher

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013-rsp-football-writers-project/writers-project-draft-room/

Don't know if you guys are following this. Basically a bunch of NFL writers building teams using a FF draft format. What I have found interesting is that a couple of guys, when discussing the philosophy they would use, have indicated they want to run a 2-4-5. Seems like that would be almost impossible. You would need two NTs, and most teams struggle to find 1

I'll be honest, I don't like the 3-4 def for that reason. If you lose your stud NT, like Ngata, your team is completely boned.

Kirwan's alway been my favorite reporter. He knows his shit, doesn't act arrogant and explains it perfectly to people.

 

[chuckddd]

Thanks for that link Draxal. Always good to have a breakdown on 3 and 5 technique and such when these guys break down fits for players. Really interested in how Sheldon Richardson gets evaluated. People rave about his ability in STL media. Kind of whispered that he could be Sapp-like as a pass rusher

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013-rsp-football-writers-project/writers-project-draft-room/

Don't know if you guys are following this. Basically a bunch of NFL writers building teams using a FF draft format. What I have found interesting is that a couple of guys, when discussing the philosophy they would use, have indicated they want to run a 2-4-5. Seems like that would be almost impossible. You would need two NTs, and most teams struggle to find 1

It's just permanent nickel defense. Why would you need multiple nose tackles to play nickel? Sure, a competent team would just come out a jam the ball down your throat, but it's a valid defense against the majority of team's base sets nowadays. So many teams come out in 11 personnel anymore, that I'm shocked we haven't seen some 3-3-5 with the third safety being a hybrid s/lb. It's the position and defense that Urlacher had in college.

 

[squicken]

It's just permanent nickel defense. Why would you need multiple nose tackles to play nickel? Sure, a competent team would just come out a jam the ball down your throat, but it's a valid defense against the majority of team's base sets nowadays. So many teams come out in 11 personnel anymore, that I'm shocked we haven't seen some 3-3-5 with the third safety being a hybrid s/lb. It's the position and defense that Urlacher had in college.

My assumption, and maybe I am wrong, is that those two down linemen would need to eat up two blockers each and hold their ground. It's hard to find just one of those. I get the idea that you want to have more speed and athleticism, but even a throwing team can get a run game going against an undersized front, like GB did vs SEA in that Fail Mary game

I guess it's all about how you define your LBs vs ends. Like Aldon Smith, Justin Smith, Sopoaga, Bowman, Willis, and Brooks could be called a 2-4. I think if you are in a 3 point stance you are no longer backing the line

 

[LJ11]

I'll be honest, I don't like the 3-4 def for that reason. If you lose your stud NT, like Ngata, your team is completely boned.

Kirwan's alway been my favorite reporter. He knows his shit, doesn't act arrogant and explains it perfectly to people.

Yeah but how many 3-4 defenses two gap and play a straight odd front? Not many. Ngata plays 5, he plays 3, hes all over the place. They align in different fronts, some mimic 43 defenses. Can someone name me the Texans NT? I can't, but they're classified as a 34 d even though it almost like a 43 under.

Was Jay Ratliff a proto 34 nose, not really. But he worked in Wades system, would he work in the Pats 34, maybe not. Maybe they'd find a different way to use him.

Lets look at the Seahawks again, they ask their ends to two gap, how man 43 teams do that? Very few, but they do. What I'm trying to say is don't get bogged down in 34 vs 43. What do you want your players to do and can they do it? That's what it comes down to.

 

[squicken]

fwiw The Texans NT is Shaun Cody, and he isn't very good. They really had DL issues outside of Watt. For some reason Connor Barwin just couldn't get off blocks

I do get the notion that as defenses get more exotic that they really aren't scheme specific anymore. Just about getting the best players in position to play their best. I've always preferred a 4-3 like Draxal, just b/c I like the idea of having 2 DTs committed to inside pressure. But watching all the things AZ did with it's double A gap blitzes, it certainly opens up possibilities. That said, they have some very unique athletes that allowed them to do that

 

[LJ11]

Prefer giving pass rushers eyes, rushing them from a 2 point stance. When you zone blitz from a 3 point stance it takes the defender a bit longer to get into his drop to take a passing lane away. Just seems that you give more flexibility to your defenders he's rushing from a 2 point stance.

 

[squicken]

How much of Matt Scott have you guys watched? I saw a lot of Geno, and it's just so hard to like him after his last half of the season. He owes so much to that Baylor game. But Scott is really interesting. He has an amazingly fast delivery. He's getting comparisons to Russ Wilson. I don't think it's lazy, it's just that Russ is a much quicker runner and has a bigger arm. Curious what you guys have seen of him

 

[BlackGhost]

How much of Matt Scott have you guys watched? I saw a lot of Geno, and it's just so hard to like him after his last half of the season. He owes so much to that Baylor game. But Scott is really interesting. He has an amazingly fast delivery. He's getting comparisons to Russ Wilson. I don't think it's lazy, it's just that Russ is a much quicker runner and has a bigger arm. Curious what you guys have seen of him

I like Scott, but I think the hype might be getting the best of us at this point. Also I posted the bowl game he played in a page ago I believe

 

[LJ11]

I like Scott, but I think the hype might be getting the best of us at this point. Also I posted the bowl game he played in a page ago I believe

Watched that bowl game live, well I'm not sure if I should call it watched. Fucking blow out, atrocious football, fall asleep on the coach, wake up and it's actually close late. Slept through a good game I guess, wild at least.

 

[squicken]

LJ, I don't think your shop is well tended. Sorry bro

 

[chuckddd]

Business will pick up when the season is closer. Personally, I'm not planning on watching any tape for a couple of months.

 

[eznark]

http://coachgrabowski.wordpress.com/



This could be cool. Gonna check it out later today.

 

[Futurevoid]

Business will pick up when the season is closer. Personally, I'm not planning on watching any tape for a couple of months.

I've been shirking my duties on the thread opener. I need to get back to finishing it but I'll admit - I've bee lazy!

 

[squicken]

Business will pick up when the season is closer. Personally, I'm not planning on watching any tape for a couple of months.

No I was referring to the 75 year old GM repeatedly trying to call back the Bucs GM. Not a tight ship up there. Makes you wonder what he wanted from TB, really

 

[chuckddd]

Oh.



LJ, after the Bills use their first rounder on Barkley, I'll make you a sweet Steelers avy.

 

[BlackGhost]

:jnc LJ what do you expect the bills to do or want at the Qb position in the draft.

Also the idea of taking Patterson at 6 is kind of growing on me. I'm not saying I think it's what we should do at the moment, or our biggest need but the idea has been floated

 

[Draxal]

3-4 v 4-3

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANibG9nBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3

 

[Futurevoid]

Beat me to it. Was just coming over to post that. May cross post it in the main thread.

 

[LJ11]

Been saying that shit for the last few years, especially to retarded Bills fans who seem to think that switching "defenses" is the end of the world. Dumb as bricks. Glad someone with a following took the time to write about it.

 

[yankeehater]

Someone posted this pic on the Eagles message board, it is the defense that the Seahawks run and Davis has said he will model the Eagles after. It is a 4-3 under, but it uses 3-4 personal. They would have Soap at NT on running down, but Brandon Graham would be the Leo so he could lineup in the same spot that he has with the Eagles. I know that the Seahawks had a really good D last year, but I thoguht that was mostly attributed to their secondary. Are their other teams that run a similar defense in the NFL?

 

[LJ11]

Texans run a 3-4 under, essentially the same thing as the 4-3 under, but they mostly one gap where the Seahawks two gap their 5 tech.

4-3 under is a staple of a lot defenses, hence the term under tackle

 

[yankeehater]

Thanks for the reply. The Texans running it sounds good since the Eagles got Barwin and Ryans from them. Hopefully this D will wind up being a good fit for the guys they have, but there is no way to know. I think they will probably still bring in a few more guys who could start through the draft and FA.

 

[squicken]

LJ, how do you feel about Geno? Bills draft guys now want him, and he is being frequently mocked to you guys. He or Cooper/Warmack. Keep hearing that no guard will ever go top 10, but keep seeing it in mock drafts

 

[LJ11]

LJ, how do you feel about Geno? Bills draft guys now want him, and he is being frequently mocked to you guys. He or Cooper/Warmack. Keep hearing that no guard will ever go top 10, but keep seeing it in mock drafts

Who are the Bills draft guys? I know one fellow from buffalobillsdraft.com and I don't see eye to eye with him most of the time. Lot of back and forth between the two of us on the Bills board he frequents. Good dude, he's liked Smith since last season, liked Lemonier a ton and he's getting buzz now, agree with him too. We both agreed on R.Wilson, discussion was basically how soon is too soon. Not going to pretend like I was dead set on him when the pick came up in the third but he was on my mind, I knew these pussies wouldn't have the balls to take him anyway.

Other than that guy I can't say I give a shit what others in the Bills community think. Maybe I'm forgetting someone, drop some names.

I think this franchise is dog shit and has no fucking talent. They've failed in every round the last three years after their first selection, with the exception of Glenn they're all busts. You can't build a team when you're missing one the second and third days as badly as they are. They have one guard and he's a big mauler that can't move in space, RT is fucking dog shit, Glenn's a player, Center is good but always hurt. No Linebackers, one cornerback, a couple of good DTs but no depth behind them, one DE who is a ghost most of the time without depth behind him, no QB, no WR outside of Steve, and a Safety that's counting down his days until he's set free. They do have a couple of backs but that's where it ends.

So basically, it doesn't matter who they draft, they're going to fail/underperform/leave. That's how it is, that's how it will be for the foreseeable future.

Won't take a guard top ten, they're morons and believe in this value shit but they never do anything about it. They'll grade a guard top 10, but they won't draft him because the "value" isn't there, whatever the fuck that means. So trade down and get more picks...nope we don't know if our guy will be there so we're better off staying put and taking a player we don't grade as high because his position holds value, again, whatever the fuck that means. Pretty sure they'd take a tackle however, and then kick Glenn inside or to the right side, tackles have value, lol. Probably wont happen though.

They need a rush LB for Pettine, Dion Jordan should be the guy, he should not get past them if you ask me but he may not be there. He can cover, I'm more concerned about his pass rush ability than his coverage skills so to me that's a plus because normally it's the opposite. I've seen him rush the QB but he needs to add to his repertoire.

Going into this year I thought T.Wilson was the best QB prospect, ahead of Barkley but felt Bray had a shot because he's got the tools and receivers, but he sucked ass. Geno was on the radar too but that system can help a QB big time.

I'm pretty comfortable in saying that Tyler Wilson is the best QB in this draft, he scares me the least and I think he can be a good one. Not sure he's elite, or that you can solely rely on him to take over, but I've watched him for three years, over a dozen games, and I like him a lot. Guy played behind one of the worst OLs on the planet, took a pounding, yet maintained poise in the pocket, eyes downfield all game long. Moves well inside the pocket, steps up/climbs. Plenty of arm too. Does a great job working the middle of the field, throws through tight windows, understands how routes combos affect coverage. Tannehill did a bad job throwing between the hashes but I thought he did a great job outside. It's the opposite with Wilson, not that he's poor outside, just didn't do it enough in the Ark scheme.

My main concerns is the amount of hits, the amount of hits he'll continue to take because he just hangs in there, and the absolutely terrible decisions he makes at times. Seems like he just doesn't give a fuck and forces it or just makes a terrible read.

You asked me about Geno, but I didn't talk about Smith at all. I think he's not a good runner, doesn't look to run which is actually a negative. Good pocket presence at times, a statue at other times. His problem, besides just standing in one spot and not moving his feet, is locking on to receivers. Another QB that keeps his eyes downfield and doesn't give a fuck, will step up too, but he scans the field so slowly. Locks on way too much and you saw it affect his play, defenses would just key in and take away his first or second read. Plenty of times where he just threw it up even though his guy was never open, just threw it out of frustration. That's my beef with Smith, will this dude ever scan the field properly? Reminds me of Trent Edwards, eyes downfield but on one or two receivers tops.

Smith does anticipate throwing windows pretty well over the middle, but his ball placement isn't the greatest. Remember a couple of times where he threw too low on a drive concepts and his WR couldn't run after catch. But then he'll make a good deep throw and you forget about it, still though he doesn't lead guys the right way sometimes.

Back to the Bills, and I said this three years ago, still believe it, they shouldn't take a guy with the squad they have right now. Build the team and then go out and grab one, don't force it because he's going to have to carry the load with the pile of shit they have on the roster and I don't think a guy like that exists in this draft, not an obvious anyway. They failed miserably in the last three drafts and have to start from scratch with only 6 picks via the draft and next to no additions via free agency. Why reach and take a guy who's going to take a pounding the next two years?

That said, they'll take one early because they don't have the slightest fucking idea.

 

[LJ11]

Can't believe I wrote all that.

If I was reading the thread and came across a wall of words I would just skip it, no one has time for that shit, lol.

 

[Dutch Gronk]

Can't believe I wrote all that.

If I was reading the thread and came across a wall of words I would just skip it, no one has time for that shit, lol.

I read all of it!

And I'm happy I did.

 

[squicken]

I did too haha. Guy's name is Matthew Elder. Runs (or I at least thought he ran) buffalobillsdraft. You linked a few articles awhile back and I thought they were pretty interesting from him. I think it was his stat based prediction thing

edit: On the guard thing, I'm, sort of confused about the whole positional value thing as well. You see guards making good money in FA, and I can tell you that nothing shuts down an offense like guards not letting the QB step up in the pocket. But then conventional wisdom is don't take them early

Latest footballguys podcast with LZ and Williamson talks about this a bit. Really long show but lots of good FA talk. Lance just really believes that it's not worth taking a guard early b/c they don't impact the game.