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[nhlducks35]

Thank God Fios isn't a part of this.

I'm poor right now, and out of desperation, I've just entered this beautiful haven of torrents.

Does this mean that if you have Verizon FiOS, you are not affected by this?

 

[mr2xxx]

*Hopes Porn Companies Aren't Participating*

Internet would be shutdown and every wife and child would wonder what happened.

So if you use newsgroups you should be fine, right?

Haven't they been shutting down sites and taking down files?

 

[Kokonoe]

Wonder if it flags you for watching youtube videos?

 

[Sanjuro]

They aren't changing anything about the procedures used prior. Meaning, the ISP companies are not going to be policing you. However, the companies who own the properties that are illegally available may be putting more into tracking resources.

YouTube and MOST streaming sites aren't going to be an issue. Some PPV events? Possibly, but they are harder targets.

Downloading actual porn is still the biggest risk by far. They still are trying the Copyright Troll Lawsuits.

 

[Jafku]

Isn't Brighthouse owned by Time-Warner? If so, wouldn't that make them be part of this as well?

Yeah I think so.

Really a stupid move by the ISP's. How it will probably shake out is that a customer who is closing in on a 6th strike will just switch ISP's. I doubt this will track a customer across ISP's even if both are participating. And I doubt it will track them if they switch ISP's then come back to the original ISP.

BTW I believe Brighthouse is owned by a different parent company. They were once owned by Time Warner though

All of the systems now owned by Bright House were owned by the Time Warner Entertainment - Advance/Newhouse Partnership but, under a deal struck in 2003, Advance/Newhouse took direct management and operational responsibility for portion of the partnership cable systems roughly equal to their equity. Ostensibly, this was due to A/N's dissatisfaction with Time Warner Cable's strategic direction. Bright House Networks provides customers in Indianapolis, Central Florida, Michigan, Tampa Bay and Alabama with Digital Services.

 

[inm8num2]

I chuckled at the sheer absurdity of this possibility.

Yet in this day and age it certainly doesn't seem far from reality.

 

[SillyEskimo]

And newsgroups get another pass. I sense a sudden influx of upcoming Newsleecher accounts!

 

[saunderez]

And newsgroups get another pass. I sense a sudden influx of upcoming Newsleecher accounts!

The hard part is getting into one of the better indexing sites. They've all closed up shop after NZBMatrix went down.

 

[McLovin]

I guess this sucks if you download stuff illegally. I haven used torrents in years.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

The document purported to be from AT&T says customers will receive email alerts at first. After the fourth and fifth alert, "certain websites" will redirect to "an educational page" and customers will be required to complete a short tutorial before they can access those sites again.

That sounds condescending as fuck.

 

[MIMIC]

Am I reading this right? Are they still only really going after people who are uploading pirated material as opposed to people who download pirated material?

I haven't read the press release yet, but wouldn't this target people who seed torrents, too? I mean, how can they possibly know who uploaded the thing?

What happens after strike six? Drone attack double tap?

 

[morningbus]

I haven't read the press release yet, but wouldn't this target people who seed torrents, too? I mean, how can they possibly know who uploaded the thing?

Seeding is uploading.

 

[Blader]

If I'm understanding this right...

If you get caught torrenting something that raises a red flag, you'll get warned by your ISP. Up to six of these warnings can result in a slower connection. After six...nothing at all happens? And people could just continue torrenting without fear of reprisal?

Assuming that's correct, what's the point of this?

 

[railGUN]

If I'm understanding this right...

If you get caught torrenting something that raises a red flag, you'll get warned by your ISP. Up to six of these warnings can result in a slower connection. After six...nothing at all happens? And people could just continue torrenting without fear of reprisal?

Assuming that's correct, what's the point of this?

The point is that you get to pay them for a high speed account and they get to give you a slow speed connection...

 

[KHarvey16]

If I'm understanding this right...

If you get caught torrenting something that raises a red flag, you'll get warned by your ISP. Up to six of these warnings can result in a slower connection. After six...nothing at all happens? And people could just continue torrenting without fear of reprisal?

Assuming that's correct, what's the point of this?

Only if you're seeding while torrenting on a tracker they can monitor. It really just seems like a codified system of what they were pretty much doing already. A copyright holder complains to the ISP about a particular IP address, the ISP figures out who owned the IP address without telling the copyright holder and tells the customer to knock it off.

 

[Goron2000]

So your Internet access lies in the hands of the music and film industry? Good luck with that my American brothers.

 

[MIMIC]

Seeding is uploading.

Right. I thought you were making a distinction between "seeding" and "uploading". Just wanted to be clear.

Also, is their method of seeking out infringers any different than what they've been doing in the past? Someone asked if merely torrenting ANYTHING is enough to raise a red flag on their system.

If that's the case, then that's fucking bullshit.

EDIT:

Only if you're seeding while torrenting on a tracker they can monitor. It really just seems like a codified system of what they were pretty much doing already. A copyright holder complains to the ISP about a particular IP address, the ISP figures out who owned the IP address without telling the copyright holder and tells the customer to knock it off.

OK, I see.

 

[Fantastical]

No its not. Because all it will end up doing is fucking over your legitimate customers while the pirates find other ways to pirate.

How? Honestly asking.

 

[maquiladora]

So your Internet access lies in the hands of the music and film industry? Good luck with that my American brothers.

The power of the lobbyist.

 

[Mesoian]

Will the mpaa monitor streaming websites ?

They already are. That's what DMCA is for, and it's the only reason why DMCA exists.

It's super idiotic because the core function of six strikes isn't antipiracy. The 6 biggest telcom companies in the country gain nothing by scaring away the people who are willing to flush out the most amount of money for for the largest amount of bandwidth, and furthermore, they don't give a FUCK about online piracy or copyright infringement. What the telcoms want to use this for is a way to identify and individual users who are going through massive amounts of bandwidth that doesn't paint them in a bad light. Every telcom company has come under major flack for bandwidth caps, to the point where they can't enforce them without coming under national scrutiny and customer fallout. Six strikes always telcoms to paint people going through terabytes of data a month in a negative light. "Surely if they're downloading that much stuff, it must be illegal, so it's fine if you shut those people down, but they're not talking about people like me, people like us. It's just THEM."

TLR - The only thing Six Strikes will do is push super users to smaller but probably more efficient independent ISP's while making the idea of throttling and DNS interception more acceptable in the public eye. No one in this case gives 2 shits about bit torrent, it's just a long term method of managing bandwidth overhead which will not work in the long run. Everything that Six Strikes is saying they'll do, the 6 biggest have already been doing for YEARS.

 

[saunderez]

The power of the lobbyist.

I'm so glad in Australia it went to the courts and it was made abundantly clear that ISPs are not responsible for the actions of their customers and don't have any responsibility to track copyright infringement.

From the original ruling:
"iiNet is not responsible if an iiNet user uses that system to bring about copyright infringement ... the law recognises no positive obligation on any person to protect the copyright of another"

It was appealed and the appeals were dismissed too so it set a good precedent over here.

 

[Deku Tree]

Anyone been "notified" yet?

 

[Mesoian]

Anyone been "notified" yet?

Sure. 5 years ago.

I got a notification from Verizon maybe 4 or 5 years ago for torrenting a movie off a public tracker. Cordial email, basically saying that they were just letting me know that they could detect it, and if they could, then other people could and if they were subpoenaed for information, they would have no choice but to cooperate.

Telcom companies have been doing this for years and have no intention of stopping. It keeps them in the good graces of the MPAA which keeps them in the good graces of big media which means cheaper deals that involve them all in the future, which become larger and more lucrative as the cable industry continues to panic due to the changing scope of how people ingest media on a whole. It's about the relationship they have with hollywood and nothing more because Verizon and ATT and Sprint don't give a FUUUUUUUUCK what you're downloading as long as you pay for the service.