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[Particle Physicist]

Okay thanks. I didn't realize the two industries are so interconnected. Well that sucks that just dashed my hopes that this will crash and burn quickly.

It's why they have been fighting against services like Netflix.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Let's be honest. Even if a measure like this was introduced that was enforceable, and didn't have any nasty side-effects, people would still whine and complain in threads like these about evil corporations.

Why don't we wait for that to happen before making those statements and basically dismissing legitamate concerns?

 

[Acheron]

Let's be honest. Even if a measure like this was introduced that was enforceable, and didn't have any nasty side-effects, people would still whine and complain in threads like these about evil corporations.

Fuck those evil corporations and their attempts to stop people from stealing content and eroding value.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

So if you use newsgroups you should be fine, right?

 

[Zilch]

Doing something about piracy is better than doing nothing about it.

 

[kai3345]

Doing something about piracy is better than doing nothing about it.

No its not. Because all it will end up doing is fucking over your legitimate customers while the pirates find other ways to pirate.

 

[legacyzero]

No Charter?
Charter finally has a pro to all the cons.

I have Charter and I love it. It's never really ever been a problem. What cons am I missing??

 

[Gr1mLock]

Nice. This will finally give the smaller providers a much deserved boost in customers.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Good.

Strike One for you, your avatar.

 

[LQX]

Nice. This will finally give the smaller providers a much deserved boost in customers.

Keep dreaming. Those 5 ISPs basically have a cartel over much of the county where most never hear of or see any other ISPs besides them.

 

[chaosblade]

if it's such an issue why don't they just ban users who are ccaught pirating? Oh that's right they still want to be able to rip off pirates.

My ISP does this.

And naturally they and AT&T more or less have a monopoly here, unless I get dial up. AT&T's prices are garbage, for the same price as the 25mb/s I'm getting now I'd get 6mb/s and a bandwidth cap 200GB smaller.

 

[Vilix]

It's why they have been fighting against services like Netflix.

True. But in addition the ISPs would have the laugh if they decided to put bandwidth caps and teir pricing on their customers. That is something that I think is coming. Look at what the cellular companies have done.

 

[Metrotab]

The video creeps me out. The gentle tone of it specifically.

 

[Ebris]

Hell yeah brighthouse!

Isn't Brighthouse owned by Time-Warner? If so, wouldn't that make them be part of this as well?

 

[Swig_]

I stayed with CenturyLink specifically because i don't want to support this. That says a lot, considering how garbage CL is.

 

[I H8 Memes]

Isn't Brighthouse owned by Time-Warner? If so, wouldn't that make them be part of this as well?

Yeah I think so.

Really a stupid move by the ISP's. How it will probably shake out is that a customer who is closing in on a 6th strike will just switch ISP's. I doubt this will track a customer across ISP's even if both are participating. And I doubt it will track them if they switch ISP's then come back to the original ISP.

 

[Partial Gamification]

Fuck those evil corporations and their attempts to stop people from stealing content and eroding value.

I'm not pro-piracy, thieves suck. I think the erosion of value has consistently come from the major content producers and their prioritization to monetize every aspect of their product: see Star Wars. Furthermore, the intellectual property rights are inherently flawed: see: Mickey Mouse.

If copyrights were not perpetually renewable, much of the stuff I grew up with would be in the public domain.

This is a case where the people with money and power can't stop the actual thieves and so the masses carry the burden of punishment. Beyond the fact that piracy is a crime, is this the right way to enforce it, in your opinion?

The value of most content has been suppressed [by] the parties collecting royalties due to their lacks of imagination. It is intellectual property theft from the free market of ideas; can you honestly tell me that George Lucas or Walt Disney drew no inspiration [from] any other source? At what point is repackaging no longer creating?

edit: Lets look at a place where new idea are more easily defined: mathematics
If Euclid had patented geometry and the current laws had somehow existed for over 2000 years the Egyptians (since the Greeks are not known to have published such a volume) would be the wealthiest nation on the planet.

 

[Izayoi]

It's almost like the MPAA and RIAA are stuck in the past and don't see how this is going to cause more harm than good (for them). Imagine that!

 

[King Mystery]

It's almost like the MPAA and RIAA are stuck in the past and don't see how this is going to cause more harm than good (for them). Imagine that!

They see it as a good thing. In their minds, pirates will now go shell out $12 to see such masterpieces as Snow white and the Huntsman in theaters instead of downloading them.

 

[FStop7]

There are huge companies dedicated to maintaining consumer credit reports and they can't get anything right. A bunch of telecoms trying to track customer infractions over copyright is going to be a disaster.

 

[nateeasy]

Good. Im so sick of fucking pirates.

 

[spindashing]

Does this mean I have to pay for pornography?

 

[Suikoguy]

There are huge companies dedicated to maintaining consumer credit reports and they can't get anything right. A bunch of telecoms trying to track customer infractions over copyright is going to be a disaster.

No kidding, I don't think the technology exists yet (or ever will) to discern legitimate content vs pirated content.

 

[tim.mbp]

Does this mean I have to pay for pornography?

Not part of the MPAA.

 

[Partial Gamification]

Not part of the MPAA.

If it were people would be up in arms, rioting. The CAS seems like a boiling frog to me.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

I've had charter for years now, no problems for me. What problems do most people have?

Bunch of problems.
Internet cuts out all the time(and most of the time im not even getting near the speed I paid for)
Multiple times they have disconnected my service because of mistakes on their end.
Bills never being the price they are supposed to be.
then minor stuff like their OnDemand taking weeks to update.

 

[Kareha]

This is going to solve nothing.

 

[Camp Lo]

No Brighthouse?

 

[GK86]

Link to official press release.

Via Verge:

...

There are rumors of "deep packet inspection," probably set off by a tweet from file-sharing overlord Kim Dotcom, but in fact the ISPs aren't watching their customers' traffic. The reality isn't quite as Big Brotherish nor as high-tech. The system starts with copyright owners monitoring peer-to-peer networks such as BitTorrent or Mega, looking for their own content. In the porn industry, which is typically at the cutting edge when it comes to this stuff, monitoring is done by third parties that use a combination of manual and algorithmic searches to find copyrighted content on file-sharing sites and piracy forums.

Once they spot an illicit copy of Skyfall or "Thriller," a content owner can identify the internet address and ISP of the person hosting the file and report the address to the ISP. The ISP then looks up which customer it is and issues a copyright alert, which can be a warning, a requirement to watch an educational video, a warning that requires the customer to acknowledge having read it, or a temporary slowdown of service.

The document purported to be from AT&T says customers will receive email alerts at first. After the fourth and fifth alert, "certain websites" will redirect to "an educational page" and customers will be required to complete a short tutorial before they can access those sites again. After fifth infraction, the document warns, the content owner could sue and force AT&T to turn over the customer's information.

According to the document purported to be from Verizon, the ISP will deliver the first alerts by phone and email. The third and fourth alerts will trigger a webpage that requires the customer to acknowledge receiving the alert. Then after the fifth and sixth infractions, Verizon will throttle bandwidth:

Fifth and Sixth Alerts:

Redirect your browser to a special web page where you will be given several options.

You can:

Agree to an immediate temporary (2 or 3 day) reduction in the speed of your Internet access service to 256kbps (a little faster than typical dial-up speed);

Agree to the same temporary (2 or 3 day) speed reduction but delay it for a period of 14 days;or

Ask for a review of the validity of your alerts by the American Arbitration Association. There is a $35 review fee (that you will get back if you win). For subscribers who meet certain need-based eligibility criteria. the review fee will be waived by the AAA.

There is no mention of what happens after that, but the CCI does not require ISPs to cut off service or permanently throttle speeds. Director Jill Lesser said in a radio interview that Lesser said that once a user has been warned six times, "we're just not going to send them any more alerts. Because they are not the kind of customer that we're going to reach with this program."

It has been reported that the ISPs may give the names of repeat infringers to copyright owners in order to pursue legal action, but this has been disputed by the CCI, which says it does not give out customer information. The program has also been criticized as a threat to public Wi-Fi networks, which the CCI has denied, saying that only residential customers will be included in the program. Additionally, the CCI says customers will be able to appeal to a third party reviewer if an alert is falsely triggered.

...

 

[Cipherr]

Thank God Fios isn't a part of this.

I'm poor right now, and out of desperation, I've just entered this beautiful haven of torrents.

Big Linux fan eh.

 

[slit]

Ugh, this is going to create more problems than it solves.

 

[Delio]

Huh Charter isnt part of this? Interesting.

 

[ffdgh]

So today is the big day? I'll give it a week for something to possibly go wrong.

 

[mooooose]

I don't pirate things, but I'm curious about "secure" VPNs, and also what the best newsgroups are? I never understood newsgroups that shit is so confusing.

 

[dark_chris]

If it were people would be up in arms, rioting. The CAS seems like a boiling frog to me.

Not just rioting, civil war and overthrowing! O_O

 

[TheExodu5]

Until they make it so that the providers can't take any forms of payment but bitcoin and wire transfers.

With NZB Matrix getting shut down a few months ago, this is already the case.

Anyways, I'm completely okay with this. They're not monitoring traffic and are simply responding to letters sent in response to torrent sharing.

 

[lednerg]

One of my stepmom's neighbors was using her wifi to torrent a movie a few years ago. Paramount Pictures told her ISP (Cablevision) that she was sharing one of their films, and her bandwidth was throttled immediately. There were no warnings or anything, just a notice in the mail after the fact. That system sucked; this new one is better.

 

[GK86]

So today is the big day? I'll give it a week for something to possibly go wrong.

Yeah, I'm with you on that one.

I don't pirate things, but I'm curious about "secure" VPNs, and also what the best newsgroups are? I never understood newsgroups that shit is so confusing.

Curious about how they work?

 

[EYEL1NER]

I don't pirate things, but I'm curious about "secure" VPNs, and also what the best newsgroups are? I never understood newsgroups that shit is so confusing.

Yeah, I was just reading some different pages about what newsgroups are and how they work. Looks like some money has to be shelled out and it looks like they are better than torrents and a bit safer too.

 

[stufte]

I stayed with CenturyLink specifically because i don't want to support this. That says a lot, considering how garbage CL is.

Yep. Same here.

 

[The Lamonster]

Doesn't PeerBlock protect people from this shit?

 

[glaurung]

What happens after strike six? Drone attack double tap?

 

[morningbus]

Link to official press release.

Via Verge:

Am I reading this right? Are they still only really going after people who are uploading pirated material as opposed to people who download pirated material?

 

[arab]

how will this affect private trackers? seems like a large chunk of caught piracy occurs over public bittorrent IE pirate bay, demonoid

 

[Enduin]

Am I reading this right? Are they still only really going after people who are uploading pirated material as opposed to people who download pirated material?

Sounds like it, possessing copyrighted material isn't illegal(afaik) but distributing it is, and I doubt they will even go after people who seed like a few KB/s, but just those people who seed a file multiple times over, and most of those people who are major seeders and creators of torrents are likely already behind a VPN or other kind of ip protection so they're not going to get them.

So really it will most likely be those random people who are either false positives or the occasional downloader who just leave things as default and don't realize they're seeding those one or two files they've downloaded that will get penalized. In the end it won't really affect all that much.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Will the mpaa monitor streaming websites ?

 

[Kitschkraft]

*Hopes Porn Companies Aren't Participating*

 

[Plasmid]

Metrocast?

 

[Piano]

What happens after strike six? Drone attack double tap?

I chuckled at the sheer absurdity of this possibility.

 

[speculawyer]

Well, it will be interesting to see how this works.

For example, what about a PBS show that was shown for free and is also available for streaming on a web site. If I download a torrent of such a show (which is available for free on a PBS or affiliate web site), is that a violation?