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American ISPs reportedly rolling out 'six strikes' today (2/25/13)
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This is 'MERICA, not some commie nation.
I hope the copyright database the software will use is opt-in by companies and not opt-out. There's so much rare material out there that can't be bought in stores anymore, and it would be awful if they went after the few people still actively sharing it.
Other than that, all this will do is drive file sharing away from P2P and into the waiting arms of file lockers (and other services you aren't supposed to mention out loud for fear of people finding out that they exist).
Other than that, all this will do is drive file sharing away from P2P and into the waiting arms of file lockers (and other services you aren't supposed to mention out loud for fear of people finding out that they exist).
emphasis on the "a"
I've had charter for years now, no problems for me. What problems do most people have?
Partial Gamification
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Cotton McKnight
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I am waiting for the following threads:
"Dang Gaf, why is my internet so slow?"
"Someone calculate my odds of getting caught by this CAS system?"
"My kid, brother, sister, etc. downloaded illegal content on my ISP connection, what is going to happen to me?"
Waiting patiently for the outcome....
"Dang Gaf, why is my internet so slow?"
"Someone calculate my odds of getting caught by this CAS system?"
"My kid, brother, sister, etc. downloaded illegal content on my ISP connection, what is going to happen to me?"
Waiting patiently for the outcome....
Comcast tried this shit with me years ago only for it to complete backfire in their face when they realize everything was legally downloaded via steam, itunes and amazon.
They assumed i was illegally downloading because i kept getting up to my cap and sometimes passing it. Personally i could care less about this 6 strike because i honestly have nothing to hide. I don't torrent illegal files. Everything i buy is 100% legit. Now before someone who partakes in certain things note i am not on a high horse, i don't care if you do or don't download i just don't. I have the funds to buy what i want.
They assumed i was illegally downloading because i kept getting up to my cap and sometimes passing it. Personally i could care less about this 6 strike because i honestly have nothing to hide. I don't torrent illegal files. Everything i buy is 100% legit. Now before someone who partakes in certain things note i am not on a high horse, i don't care if you do or don't download i just don't. I have the funds to buy what i want.
vas_a_morir
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Armstrong may not be the fastest, but they don't snitch.
By popular they probably mean popular torrent sites which doesn't bother me.
If they end up blocking non-pirating sites that is when i start to get a problem. As for privacy, internet isn't a right here nor do you have the right to steal.
ClovingWestbrook
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CommonSense must be having a party right about now. This is ridiculous imo. While I am not a fan of piracy I am even less of a fan of ISPs and the government trying to limit people's use of the internet. At least this isn't as bad as France.
I might just be an optimist, but predict this will crash and burn in a year or so. Not only because I predict a whole bunch of false positives, but I also think that pissing off paying customers(guilty or not) is the ISPs biting the hand that feeds them.
Anyway aren't the ISPs safe from any trouble as long as the take action to remove the offending content? So besides those that own content producers(Comcast for example) what reason do the rest have to agree to this?
Anyway aren't the ISPs safe from any trouble as long as the take action to remove the offending content? So besides those that own content producers(Comcast for example) what reason do the rest have to agree to this?
They all rely on the big studios to produce the content that they eventually put on the air. Even if they don't own any of the content, their businesses still revolve around it. They want to keep the people producing the content happy.
I still think this is just step one on the road towards metered billing (people paying for their usage instead of a flat rate).
XANDER CAGE
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The best part of the promotional video is how it says it's there to promote "sharing the things we love legally." How do people legally share things, now?
The ISP's offer internet alongside cable service.
- Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures
- Paramount Pictures Corporation
- Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc.
- Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation
- Universal City Studios LLC
- Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc.
Those are the members of the MPAA. Besides Sony, all of them(or their parent company) own major cable channels.
Okay thanks. I didn't realize the two industries are so interconnected. Well that sucks that just dashed my hopes that this will crash and burn quickly.
back to hidden ftps and dozens of RAR files. And ratios.
Nemesis121
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I don't torrent but I stream a lot of Fansub Animes, I hope i don't see the CAS BS on my screen...
Cuban Legend
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Not if the internet has anything to say about it. I expect to see every major Bittorrent Download Client to roll out upgrades to their encryption software.
Maninthemirror
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When every torrent is encrypted, then we will see how well they use this
Comcast is the only high speed Internet in my town. Unless the FCC or some government agency gets involved, they can do pretty much whatever they want.
That is a good point. I guess I am lucky that there are two in my area, though one is much slower then the other and knowing my luck both will implement this. Either way I am hoping that there is enough bad PR from false positives or those claiming it was a false positive that voluntary or not they scrap this plan.
After what others have pointed out though I won't hold my breath now.
beanman25
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This will do nothing. Joke is on them for trying.
I can't wait to see how many false positives come from this.
Just for this, I'm going to re download EVERY Steam game I have and see what ATT has to say about it when they see 100s of GBs being downloaded within a couple of days.
I can't wait to see how many false positives come from this.
Just for this, I'm going to re download EVERY Steam game I have and see what ATT has to say about it when they see 100s of GBs being downloaded within a couple of days.
Was that a joke? The hands of the RIAA, MPAA and so on are as far up Google's ass as they are anyone else's. It's hard to believe there are still people on the internet who don't believe Google isn't "one of them" (Apple, Microsoft, Cisco, Sony, Disney, Warner Bros., Samsung, etc.) yet.
dark_chris
Member
Sucks the move is happening.
I saw the video, so I see it doesn't apply to me.
Still sucks butt for people who download music, movies and tv shows (I can understand hard to find, rare shows or movies)
I saw the video, so I see it doesn't apply to me.
Still sucks butt for people who download music, movies and tv shows (I can understand hard to find, rare shows or movies)
Video games aren't covered by this so I doubt anything will happen except you going over your download cap.
Careful what you say on here mate, I believe one can get banned for admitting piracy on this site.
bistromathics
facing a bright new dawn
I'm sure you mean SWIY, right?
I expect a lot of corruption since users warned have to pay like 30 bucks to protest the warning. As shitty as companies like Comcast are I can see them deliberately exploiting the system.
Good Old Cox has always been one with the consumer telling RIAA etc to fuck off.
Macho Madness
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All because these companies have to answer to the television networks, or risk their rights fees increasing. Not saying I support piracy but it's still a bit of a shitty way of preventing it.
So it sounds the same as packet shaping you find in corporations or educational institutions. For instance we limit all P2P applications to 1kb max bandwidth. Really fucking slow.
The trick is determining what is legitimate against what is not legitimate. For example a person could be browsing on a torrent site for research for a research paper, but their packet inspection tools are not going to be able to know that. It'll just say "oh, this system is communicating on ports which are tagged as troublesome, begin throttling their bandwidth to the site."
It should not (and better not), throttle your bandwidth to all other content at the same time. That's where I draw issue.
The trick is determining what is legitimate against what is not legitimate. For example a person could be browsing on a torrent site for research for a research paper, but their packet inspection tools are not going to be able to know that. It'll just say "oh, this system is communicating on ports which are tagged as troublesome, begin throttling their bandwidth to the site."
It should not (and better not), throttle your bandwidth to all other content at the same time. That's where I draw issue.
Thug Waffle
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So Usenet becomes the next thing?
Cuban Legend
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It's always been 'the next best thing'.
beanman25
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Until they make it so that the providers can't take any forms of payment but bitcoin and wire transfers.
Cotton McKnight
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I see them going to auto-wire transfers, over charge you, then you have to deal with an overdrawn account for months, while the ISP's customer service reps treat you like crap because you don't make more money (they make less then you LOL).
At this point, our ISP's are really good at getting our money, but providing real services that we would like are lessening by the day.
It is a shame that they are going after pirating though, what will be their reasoning for jacking up prices now? "Our prices are too high because all of you good bill paying folks need to be doing better things than listening to music, or watching moving pictures......"
ClovingWestbrook
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Rupert Murdoch? You don't say.
Lasthope106
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To borrow from the wise words of Dr. Ian Malcolm: "Filesharing finds a way"
Buddha Beam
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I'm sure they'll be purchased by soon by one of the larger ISPs and brought into compliance.
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